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Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid

The shooter had a few very minor brushes with the law. We still don't know what motivated him or if the shootings weren't politically inspired. We know very little about Loughner and nothing as to why he did it.

Yet we know enough to know that all the mindless **** the sherriff was spewing was a lie...and HE knew it as well.
 
Did the sheriff even know who Loughner was before the shootings? He had a few minor brushes with the law, nothing that serious. Some claimed he made death threats but no one has come forward to verify that and no one seems to know who recieved the death threats..

According to reports...yes...he knew not only the shooter but also his mother. Regardless...from the moment the instance occurred the sherrif knew he was going on camera before the world and blaming this on people that had absolutely no connection. You say 'specualtion is fine'. OK...provided that you are specualting honestly and not spewing partisan political bull****. Its obvious to anyone that isnt slanted his way that that is precisely what he was doing.
 
Yet we know enough to know that all the mindless **** the sherriff was spewing was a lie...and HE knew it as well.

We don't even know that yet. We won't know until we discover what motivated the shooter to commit the crime. He has had little contact with anyone for a year and he had a lot of time on his hands. Who knows what he had been watching or listening to. It is obvious he was very angry and he did have political beliefs.. We don't know if they were a part of his motivation or not yet. His main target was a political figure.
 
Did the sheriff know Loughner? Tucson is a big city and Loughner only had a few minor brushes with the law. Did the sheriff know what he was saying was a lie or was he just saying what he believed? It was an emotional time for him.

So you would be fine with a law enforcement official or any elected official going on national television and using a national tragedy to spout politically based rhetoric? Maybe since he was connected to the congresswoman he should have let the police departments public affairs officer do the talking for him. He was at worst a liar and at best, incompetant. Even AFTER the truth was known he held to his rhetoric. makes me believe more the 'liar' part.
 
According to reports...yes...he knew not only the shooter but also his mother. Regardless...from the moment the instance occurred the sherrif knew he was going on camera before the world and blaming this on people that had absolutely no connection. You say 'specualtion is fine'. OK...provided that you are specualting honestly and not spewing partisan political bull****. Its obvious to anyone that isnt slanted his way that that is precisely what he was doing.

What reports? Tucson is a big city. Why would he know a young kid that only committed a couple of petty crimes?
Can you find a report that verifies that the sheriff even knew the kid?
 
We don't even know that yet. We won't know until we discover what motivated the shooter to commit the crime. He has had little contact with anyone for a year and he had a lot of time on his hands. Who knows what he had been watching or listening to. It is obvious he was very angry and he did have political beliefs.. We don't know if they were a part of his motivation or not yet. His main target was a political figure.

A political figure he has been obsessed with since 2007. Left leaning ideologies that he has continued to display with NO connection to those the sherriff came out and accused of complicity. And its not a LITTLE BIT funny that you are DEFENDING the actions of the sherriff while in this post claiming "we dont even know his motivations."
 
That's ridiculous. Do you know what crimes Loughner committed before the shootings?

According to court records, Loughner had two previous offenses.[14] In October 2007, Loughner was cited in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia from September 10, 2007, which was dismissed after he completed a diversion program, according to online records. On October 13, 2008 he was charged after defacing a street sign in Marana, near Tucson. That charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009

Didn't Sheriff Dupster admitted prior knowledge of Loughner? Why are you defending a sheriff who came out from the very start as a political hack instead of a law enforcement officer. His attack on the right can't be justified. Are you trying to justify Dupster's attack on conservatives?
 
So you would be fine with a law enforcement official or any elected official going on national television and using a national tragedy to spout politically based rhetoric? Maybe since he was connected to the congresswoman he should have let the police departments public affairs officer do the talking for him. He was at worst a liar and at best, incompetant. Even AFTER the truth was known he held to his rhetoric. makes me believe more the 'liar' part.

I am not saying he didn't make a mistake and shouldn't have done it. I am saying his emotions got the best of him and I doubt if he did it for political gain. He is an old guy and his carreer is just about over anyway.

The case is not closed. We don't know the truth yet. We know nothing about motive.
 
A political figure he has been obsessed with since 2007. Left leaning ideologies that he has continued to display with NO connection to those the sherriff came out and accused of complicity. And its not a LITTLE BIT funny that you are DEFENDING the actions of the sherriff while in this post claiming "we dont even know his motivations."

Left leaning? His rants come right off of Glenn Becks chalkboard.
 
I suppose we should also remove Jan Brewer as Governor while we are at it for incorrectly stating there were beheadings at the border and refusing to correct herself? Or is that somehow different?

Did she blame Democrats and Obama and the tone of their politics for being responsible for the beheadings?

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Outspoken Tucson sheriff faces recall bid



maybe the people enjoy the so called vitriol.

Oh look - he threw himself under the bus.

I guess his effort to distract his constituents from pointing fingers at himself and his own personal failures concerning this situation did him in. . . The people of Tuscon are not stupid.
 
[video]http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-jared-loughner-video-20110115,0,7041106.story[/video]

Here's the video that finally got him kicked out of school. He was told he wasn't allowed back until he had a full mental evaluation and was found to not be a danger to himself or others. One of his teachers was so afraid of him, he didn't like to turn his back to him to write on the board. Another student sat by the door so she could be the first one out if he went off.
 
I am not saying he didn't make a mistake and shouldn't have done it. I am saying his emotions got the best of him and I doubt if he did it for political gain. He is an old guy and his carreer is just about over anyway.

The case is not closed. We don't know the truth yet. We know nothing about motive.

A man with many years under his belt... let emtions get the btter of him so he lashes out at his political enemies? I'm not buying.

He is an old guy and his carreer is just about over anyway.
Could this be why he thought he could mouth off? We'll never know, but it's plausible. If he still had many years left, I wonder, would he have put his career on the line, using a hideous massacre to throw an atomic, political Molotov Cocktail for his political brethren?

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As I have already pointed out - the greatest crime anyone can commit against the right wing True Believers is to brand them as such and expose them for what they really are and what their tactics are. So now Sheriff Dupnik has their gun sights focused upon him despite his long and fine record of service to the people. He who dares to raise his voice against what they truly are must be targeted and eliminated as job one.

Dupnik forgot that he is the sheriff and instead he spoke like a left wing politician and he can't do that because now the defense for the killer can use his statments for the killers defense.
Duplik is one stupid old man that has to go.
What goes around comes around.
Nuff said.
 
What reports? Tucson is a big city. Why would he know a young kid that only committed a couple of petty crimes?
Can you find a report that verifies that the sheriff even knew the kid?

"In October 2007, Loughner was cited in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia, which was dismissed after he completed a diversion program, according to online records.
A year later he was charged with an unknown "local charge." That charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009, the Arizona Daily Star reported."

I suspect we will learn more about what exactly they did and didnt know. CBS news reports at least 5 run ins. There have been reports that he had called in death threats and police were aware of them but I have no way of knowing if that is hype or fact. It will be interesting to see what we learn about what the police did or did not know. WHat we DO know is that as the sherriff he KNEW who the shooter was..there was no reason to go conducting a manhunt since they already had him. Doing a most BASIUC background check would have revealed LE contact. So the fact remains...the sherriff went on national TV not once but numerous times and used the tragic killing of others as a springboard to launch lies and baseless attacks.
 
A man with many years under his belt... let emtions get the btter of him so he lashes out at his political enemies? I'm not buying.


Could this be why he thought he could mouth off? We'll never know, but it's plausible. If he still had many years left, I wonder, would he have put his career on the line, using a hideous massacre to throw an atomic, political Molotov Cocktail for his political brethren?

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You will be surprised what you can say when stupidity gets a hold of you if you are a well known personality. It happens white often, Biden and others can tell you this.
 
Left leaning? His rants come right off of Glenn Becks chalkboard.

You obviously refuse to read ANY of the reports from his friends...and since I have never once watched a Glenn Beck show I couldnt tell you if they are similar or not. Either you watch him and have drawn saidf conclusion or you are spewing more rhetoric yourself. Everything I have seen about the kid is that he was a self important little prick looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Nothing less...but certainly nothing more.
 
"In October 2007, Loughner was cited in Pima County for possession of drug paraphernalia, which was dismissed after he completed a diversion program, according to online records.
A year later he was charged with an unknown "local charge." That charge was also dismissed following the completion of a diversion program in March 2009, the Arizona Daily Star reported."

I suspect we will learn more about what exactly they did and didnt know. CBS news reports at least 5 run ins. There have been reports that he had called in death threats and police were aware of them but I have no way of knowing if that is hype or fact. It will be interesting to see what we learn about what the police did or did not know. WHat we DO know is that as the sherriff he KNEW who the shooter was..there was no reason to go conducting a manhunt since they already had him. Doing a most BASIUC background check would have revealed LE contact. So the fact remains...the sherriff went on national TV not once but numerous times and used the tragic killing of others as a springboard to launch lies and baseless attacks.

You mean that Sarah Palin had nothing to do with it and you are calling Dupnik a liar????Mmmmm......:)

You are going to piss some people off. :)
 
You mean that Sarah Palin had nothing to do with it and you are calling Dupnik a liar????Mmmmm......:)

You are going to piss some people off. :)

Oh no! THATS never happened before! ;)

BTW...both of those are factual statements. Palin nor anyone else had anything to do with the individuals decisions. And the sherriff continued to make baseless claims based on his personal bias. Yes...he is a liar.
 
surely the sheriff is going to cover his butt, but so is Beck and any other "entertainer" who has said stupid things in the past.
Funny they call it entertainment, what kind of person finds heated rhetoric and outright lies "entertaining"?
 
RPT-Arizona suspect had made death threats-sheriff | Reuters

Sheriff Clarence Dupnik of Pima County, where the shooting happened, told reporters the suspect had a troubled past. "All I can tell you is that this person may have a mental issue," Dupnik said.
Dupnik said there had been earlier contact between Loughner and law enforcement after he had made death threats, although they had not been against Giffords. He said the authorities believe he may not have been working alone.
 
You obviously refuse to read ANY of the reports from his friends...and since I have never once watched a Glenn Beck show I couldnt tell you if they are similar or not. Either you watch him and have drawn saidf conclusion or you are spewing more rhetoric yourself. Everything I have seen about the kid is that he was a self important little prick looking for his 15 minutes of fame. Nothing less...but certainly nothing more.
I have read a lot of reports. The ones from his friends that haven't seen him in a year really don't mean all that much.
You have an opinion that he was just looking for 15 minutes of fame. I just believe there could be more motivating him than just seeking attention. He was very angry, paranoid and distrusted government.
I haven't reached any conclusions about the shooter yet. Unlike you, I am leaving all possibilties open. He was screwed up but he was also pretty complicated and he did have some strange political beliefs.
 
surely the sheriff is going to cover his butt, but so is Beck and any other "entertainer" who has said stupid things in the past.
Funny they call it entertainment, what kind of person finds heated rhetoric and outright lies "entertaining"?

Sure...everyone covers their butt. Except in this case there is absolutely ZERO indication of involvement by ANYONE...Beck, Palin, or otherwise. The only person who is or has cause to CHA is the sheriff who made false accusations. Of course...there are those mindless puppets that continue to assert Palin and others were at fault...but they arent covering their ass or hanging their head in shame. And why should they...after all...they are just doing what puppets do.
 
I have read a lot of reports. The ones from his friends that haven't seen him in a year really don't mean all that much.
You have an opinion that he was just looking for 15 minutes of fame. I just believe there could be more motivating him than just seeking attention. He was very angry, paranoid and distrusted government.
I haven't reached any conclusions about the shooter yet. Unlike you, I am leaving all possibilties open. He was screwed up but he was also pretty complicated and he did have some strange political beliefs.

I have made some conculsions. I dont blame Obama. I dont blame democrats. I dont blame left wing talk show hosts. I dont blame his victims. I blame HIM.
 
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