More than a million immigrants land U.S. jobs

Guy Incognito said:

More's the pity for you. Fortunately there are plenty of smart businessmen who will.

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Although its smart business in MY area, I will refuse to learn Spanish. This State and this Nation needs to get stronger illegal immigration laws. Period. Again I myself will suffer a bit but I strongly feel Im doing the correct thing. If this continues, I will move to Indiana.

Dutch said:

Whoa, guys qwerty guy was actually refering to a post albert made. (i agree with albert here) He was not responding to mine. Let's be fair here. eace

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The one that I responded to has him directly quoting you. So....

Dutch said:

Are they requiring you guys to learn urdu yet?

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No, for several reasons. Firstly, the Pakistani population in the UK numbers around a million, out of a population of 68 million. So, a little more than 1% of the population is Pakistani. On the other hand, in the US, Mexicans, Latin Americans and South Americans (Spanish-speakers, in short), number about 50 million, or, 1/6 of your population.

Secondly, the UK has an official national language -- English. We made the language, we're the primary source of modern changes to the language, and so we've decided to make it our official language.

The US does NOT have an official language, meaning Spanish is just as valid a language to be used in every day life in the US as English is. Furthermore, as Spanish is projected to overtake English in the US by 2050, I would say learning Spanish is a necessity for an American, whereas learning Urdu would be only minorly useful in the UK.

I think there's a reverse assimilation going on to a limited extent. When you are immersed in a population of non-English speakers you end up picking up words here and there over the years until you are able to string the words together into semi-intelligilbe sentences. In other words you acquire the ability to make yourself understood by the illegals so that you are able to cope with everyday reality. That's how I learned to speak Spanglish. I think most white people in California have learned some measure of Spanglish.

America is gone. But Amerika has taken its place. Ultimately, Amerika will become a latin american country with a few white, black and asian pockets if the country remains intact. That being the case, I don't see much reason to keep the country intact.

qwertyuiop said:

So you are saying all gang fights, shootings, and members are Latino? That is racist

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Here in Houston, the vast majority of them ARE.

Immigrants gaining jobs, native-born Americans aren't

Immigrants gaining jobs, native-born Americans aren't - CSMonitor.com

What the rest of the US is now seeing, border states like California, Texas, Arizona, have been seeing for years while the rest of the country chose to keep its head in the sand. One reason never mentioned as to why immigrants are getting a large percentage of lower end jobs (and not the so called jobs Americans won't do) is due to word of mouth when opportunities open. For example a position opens in a fast food establishment that already employs 70% immigrants and even though an employer may publicly post such jobs to seem legit and fair, insiders bringing in their acquaintances are the only ones really considered. Especially after one of those ethnic workers attains a hiring management position. And of course Wall Street based megacorps like all the fastfood corps know that well so are quick to promote such people into those positions. This type of favoritism often ethnic based is not however limited to immigrants as it has been rampant for decades in many industries. However my point here is that one significant reason why one will find many smaller businesses in some industries have gradually evolved to be nearly 100% ethnic below management.

Dutch said:

I have a number of cousins here who have spent their lives in construction. They're slowly but surely losing their jobs because they can't compete effectively with low wage illegals here in arkansas. It's all academic to you guys but it hits pretty close to home out here in the hinterlands.

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Can I assume that you've never bought cheap consumer goods sold in big mart stores made in China, which took the jobs away from U.S. manufacturers?

Also, construction isn't the only labor market that immigrants focus on. I mentioned farm labor and the article also mentions hotel service.

So the question isn't just academic to me. Also, I have to ask why the solution to the construction workers in your family is try to be tougher on illegal immigrants instead of unionizing to enforce quality workers in that field.

Kal'Stang said:

The one that I responded to has him directly quoting you. So....

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I goofed. I just ran across his post #10. He actually is calling me a racist. Completely pathetic. On the bright side it gives me an excuse to present this little gem on racism. :mrgreen:

Le Marteau said:

No, for several reasons. Firstly, the Pakistani population in the UK numbers around a million, out of a population of 68 million. So, a little more than 1% of the population is Pakistani. On the other hand, in the US, Mexicans, Latin Americans and South Americans (Spanish-speakers, in short), number about 50 million, or, 1/6 of your population.
Secondly, the UK has an official national language -- English. We made the language, we're the primary source of modern changes to the language, and so we've decided to make it our official language.

The US does NOT have an official language, meaning Spanish is just as valid a language to be used in every day life in the US as English is. Furthermore, as Spanish is projected to overtake English in the US by 2050, I would say learning Spanish is a necessity for an American, whereas learning Urdu would be only minorly useful in the UK.

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Europeans, completely fixated on the numbers. Hs it occured to you guys the numbers aren't exactly working for you guys any better than us? On english in america tho you are completely right, the us doesn't have an "official" language. That doesn't mean, however, we cannot be just a little bit put out by those who "seem" to be requiring we learn mexico's official language.

In regards to the usefullness of spanish what many don't realize is many/most of our erstwhile immigrants are illiterate. In order for spanish to be completely useful, we would need to teach spanish. I don't see the point. India still uses english for a reason, it is extremely useful for the citizens of a nation to be able to communicate with each other.

samsmart said:

Can I assume that you've never bought cheap consumer goods sold in big mart stores made in China, which took the jobs away from U.S. manufacturers?
Also, construction isn't the only labor market that immigrants focus on. I mentioned farm labor and the article also mentions hotel service.

So the question isn't just academic to me. Also, I have to ask why the solution to the construction workers in your family is try to be tougher on illegal immigrants instead of unionizing to enforce quality workers in that field.

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I don't personally buy chinese made goods. I don't like the politics of that nation or the toxicity of their goods. In regards to unions, I hold them as responsible for the demise of american manufacturing as the politicians who gave china most favored nation status. As for my cousins, they are paying the price for having been sold out by their leaders.

The Giant Noodle said:

More than a million immigrants land U.S. jobs - Business - U.S. business - msnbc.com

This of course makes me ticked! In fact in order to get a job around me that deals with the general public or a place where Latinos work you MUST be bilingual.

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This is why the democrats are for the poor working class and republicans are for the rich is nothing more than a myth. They are just as guilty as ****ing the poor working class as the republicans they accuse of ****ing the poor working class.

danarhea said:

Here in Houston, the vast majority of them ARE.

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Why, you aren't implying latino gangs are racist in their recruiting policies are you? {gasp}

The Giant Noodle said:

More than a million immigrants land U.S. jobs - Business - U.S. business - msnbc.com

This of course makes me ticked! In fact in order to get a job around me that deals with the general public or a place where Latinos work you MUST be bilingual.

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I understand the concern...at the same time, its also kinda inspirational. MOST illegals risk everything and leave everything for a chance to WORK...to provide for their families. Meanwhile, we have lazy assholes in this country that expect others to take care of them. And many Americans that DO work in the same types of jobs do a half assed job. I dont know...its hard to be too upset with the illegals. Especially since we created the environment in the first place.

jamesrage said:

This is why the democrats are for the poor working class and republicans are for the rich is nothing more than a myth. They are just as guilty as ****ing the poor working class as the republicans they accuse of ****ing the poor working class.

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In all fairness, jamesrage, the leadership of the republican party hasn't exactly been "johnny on the spot" for those of us in the country class. I distinctly remember former arkansas govenor huckabee saying he was most surprised about the concern in in this country over illegal immigration when he was running for president.

Surprised? His state is being overun by illegals. Don tyson virtually depopulated whole sections of mexico recruiting workers for his arkansas chicken plants and he's surprised about the anger this issue is generating! That peckerwood apparently wasn't talking to any of us here in pope, johnson, and yell counties. Had he done so he'd have gotten an earfull. I hope the ignorant bastard stays on the east coast.

As for the democratic leadership, no, they don't care for us either. We are the ones peopling the tea party. We just aren't their demographic. If the leadership of the republican doesn't straighten up, we may not be their demographic either.

VanceMack said:

I understand the concern...at the same time, its also kinda inspirational. MOST illegals risk everything and leave everything for a chance to WORK...to provide for their families. Meanwhile, we have lazy assholes in this country that expect others to take care of them. And many Americans that DO work in the same types of jobs do a half assed job. I dont know...its hard to be too upset with the illegals. Especially since we created the environment in the first place.

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Yeah, I'm real inspired too.

Dutch said:

I don't personally buy chinese made goods. .

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I find that terribly hard to believe, it's near impossible to do. Check your wife's shoes.
But get this, even if her handbag or shoes say made in Italy, it maybe have been 95% made in China, then they ship it to Italy, add a lace, and it's suddenly able to be labeled "Made in Italy". And remember, our U.S. firm may pay them $100 per bag, but then we sell it here for $1K. That $900 ends up in the U.S. economy...not bad.

If China stopped buying U.S. goods, because we stopped buying theirs, we'd both suffer. We prefer instead to work together. How is that a travesty?
China is a booming economy. If Americans do not stake a claim in that frontier, then China, the EU, etc., will. They will win the economic growth, we will lose it, and then who will you blame? China will be accelerating towards more and more freedom in large part *because* U.S. employers are able to move business there and start business there...the culture spreads, people just prefer freedom.

All a protectionist policy would do would be to ensure the U.S. stagnates and dies.

Mach said:

I find that terribly hard to believe, it's near impossible to do. Check your wife's shoes.But get this, even if her handbag or shoes say made in Italy, it maybe have been 95% made in China, then they ship it to Italy, add a lace, and it's suddenly able to be labeled "Made in Italy". And remember, our U.S. firm may pay them $100 per bag, but then we sell it here for $1K. That $900 ends up in the U.S. economy...not bad.

If China stopped buying U.S. goods, because we stopped buying theirs, we'd both suffer. We prefer instead to work together. How is that a travesty?
China is a booming economy. If Americans do not stake a claim in that frontier, then China, the EU, etc., will. They will win the economic growth, we will lose it, and then who will you blame? China will be accelerating towards more and more freedom in large part *because* U.S. employers are able to move business there and start business there...the culture spreads, people just prefer freedom.

All a protectionist policy would do would be to ensure the U.S. stagnates and dies.

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Oh, my wife does, not me. Of course it's not without its downside. I went two years without tennis shoes. I eventually found some vietnamese made ones in branson last year.

In my wife's defence tho we're old, we don't actually buy much of anything. This house is nearly 100 years old. We don't have any furniture here less than 30 years old most of it's far older than that. We buy used furniture when we need it. My coffee pot is right at 20 years old now too. My tv's are all decades old. I may be forced to buy a new flatscreen tv, but I'm holding out. I don't really watch tv anymore anyway. This computer I'm using was made in malaysia. My shoes I wear to school were made in sweden, in 1959. You'd be surprised what you can do without, if you are stubborn, and a little crazy.

In regards to china we've been on the losing end of the stick for decades. Protectionism would hurt us? This trade with china is hurting us. Pick your poison.

Dutch said:

Yeah, I'm real inspired too.

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That has what exactly to do with the work ethics of individuals who risk everything to come to America to provide for a family?

Hell...you want to get snarky I can post pics of asshole college kids from right here in the U S of A doing the same thing.

No one is suggesting illegal immigration is a good thing. Im simply looking at it honestly.

New America should adopt a new flag. I suggest a white bedsheet on a broom stick.