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Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

TurtleDude said:
what does your post do to advance this thread?
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It will hopefully edeucate you to the inappropriatness of the behavior that you were engaged in. Refraing from that will indeed advance the thread.

you don't liar-I pay far more than I use

in fact I pay far more in taxes than 98% of the population makes

so stop your silly BS
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Continual Costco Confusion.
 
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Stop the snipping and discuss the topic.
 
TurtleDude said:
maybe maybe not but it will create an issue in 2012.
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I'm going to guess that the GOP is going to distance itself from health care repeal. The false claims of it being a "government take over of health care" and such are no longer taking hold in the American public. The best the GOP can hope for at this point is to try to starve it by restricting funding or chipping away at it.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
This is one of those many times that I wish the idiots in Washington could put their stupid partisanship aside and work together. There are good things in healthcare plans from BOTH sides. If they would sit down. take the best points from each, and craft something sensible,
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We already took many of the best ideas from both sides and crafted something sensible. The Democrats gave us subsidies for the poor, a ban on preexisting conditions, a focus on information technology to create standardized processes, and minimum standards of acceptable coverage. The Republicans gave us an individual mandate, a focus on higher deductible plans, and a Cadillac tax on the most expensive plans purchased through the workplace.

These things were all good ideas. But one side then chose to disavow all their good ideas, because scoring political points was more important.
 
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randel said:
definitely DOA...no maybe about it
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Doesn't matter. It will force Senators like Joe Manchin of WV to decide whether he wants vote conservatively like he ran last year or face being booted out of office by the voters after only 2 years in the Senate.

It will also force those running for reelection in 2012 to actually address the issue rather than ignore it like most Dems did last year.
 
Gill said:
Doesn't matter. It will force Senators like Joe Manchin of WV to decide whether he wants vote conservatively like he ran last year or face being booted out of office by the voters after only 2 years in the Senate.

It will also force those running for reelection in 2012 to actually address the issue rather than ignore it like most Dems did last year.
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Not very likely. The fabrication, lies, and propaganda that were spread about the health care reform are wearing thin. In 2 years, I imagine you will hardly hear a peep about it out of the GOP.
 
Mach said:
I am genuinely curious what reasoned steps brought you to that conclusion from what TD wrote...that it's not his duty to provide others with a perfect solution, nor does he pretend he can.
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I just don't respect people who can't think for themselves, and who can't come up with new ideas yet criticize others who try to. In almost every work place and industry in America, those who are creative, innovative and come up with new ideas to improve their industry are the most successful. This is what makes America the greatest nation in the world. The freedoms Capitalism gives allows people to come up with new ideas. Those people in the work place who can't come up with new ideas and who only can obey orders are the laborers. Its really annoying to me when laborers constantly criticize the executives for coming up with changes and new ideas to improve the company, even if those ideas sometimes don't work. In the same sense its really annoying to me when people who can't come up with solutions for the problems of America, like health care, simply stand on their soap box or sit behind a key board and slander those who are trying to make changes. What good are a whole bunch of complaints without adding any suggestions? It makes this forum an unpleasant place to debate, and this country an unpleasant place to live in. If anyone has a problem with Obama's health care reform, instead of just slandering the guy and calling him Hitler or a Socialist and criticizing the bill until you're blue in the face, why not try offering up a suggestion for a change? But I don't think many conservatives are able to do that. In my dictionary the definition for conservative is "holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion." This caution to change limits countries from progressing and improving, and inhibits new ideas.
 
Gill said:
Doesn't matter. It will force Senators like Joe Manchin of WV to decide whether he wants vote conservatively like he ran last year or face being booted out of office by the voters after only 2 years in the Senate.

It will also force those running for reelection in 2012 to actually address the issue rather than ignore it like most Dems did last year.
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it will also force republican senators to explain a repeal vote to those constituents who are benefitting from the law.
 
CriticalThought said:
Not very likely. The fabrication, lies, and propaganda that were spread about the health care reform are wearing thin. In 2 years, I imagine you will hardly hear a peep about it out of the GOP.
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I guess time will show the wiser

tune in in 22 months
 
Johnny Centrist said:
I just don't respect people who can't think for themselves, and who can't come up with new ideas yet criticize others who try to. In almost every work place and industry in America, those who are creative, innovative and come up with new ideas to improve their industry are the most successful. This is what makes America the greatest nation in the world. The freedoms Capitalism gives allows people to come up with new ideas. Those people in the work place who can't come up with new ideas and who only can obey orders are the laborers. Its really annoying to me when laborers constantly criticize the executives for coming up with changes and new ideas to improve the company, even if those ideas sometimes don't work. In the same sense its really annoying to me when people who can't come up with solutions for the problems of America, like health care, simply stand on their soap box or sit behind a key board and slander those who are trying to make changes. What good are a whole bunch of complaints without adding any suggestions? It makes this forum an unpleasant place to debate, and this country an unpleasant place to live in. If anyone has a problem with Obama's health care reform, instead of just slandering the guy and calling him Hitler or a Socialist and criticizing the bill until you're blue in the face, why not try offering up a suggestion for a change? But I don't think many conservatives are able to do that. In my dictionary the definition for conservative is "holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion." This caution to change limits countries from progressing and improving, and inhibits new ideas.
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I guess you cannot fathom the fact that some of us tire of a nanny government that grossly disrespects the boundaries placed upon it by the foundation upon which this nation was built upon-the constitution and whether health care is "good" or "bad" is really not relevant if it is contrary to the tenth amendment which I firmly believe it is
 
Johnny Centrist said:
I just don't respect people who can't think for themselves, and who can't come up with new ideas yet criticize others who try to. In almost every work place and industry in America, those who are creative, innovative and come up with new ideas to improve their industry are the most successful. This is what makes America the greatest nation in the world. The freedoms Capitalism gives allows people to come up with new ideas. Those people in the work place who can't come up with new ideas and who only can obey orders are the laborers. Its really annoying to me when laborers constantly criticize the executives for coming up with changes and new ideas to improve the company, even if those ideas sometimes don't work. In the same sense its really annoying to me when people who can't come up with solutions for the problems of America, like health care, simply stand on their soap box or sit behind a key board and slander those who are trying to make changes. What good are a whole bunch of complaints without adding any suggestions? It makes this forum an unpleasant place to debate, and this country an unpleasant place to live in. If anyone has a problem with Obama's health care reform, instead of just slandering the guy and calling him Hitler or a Socialist and criticizing the bill until you're blue in the face, why not try offering up a suggestion for a change? But I don't think many conservatives are able to do that. In my dictionary the definition for conservative is "holding to traditional attitudes and values and cautious about change or innovation, typically in relation to politics or religion." This caution to change limits countries from progressing and improving, and inhibits new ideas.
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One thing is constant, there will be change. Anythng that refuses to change, will likely die.

health care in this country will HAVE to change sooner or later. While this reform is imperfect, it is at least moving toward change. As noted earlier, I would prefer our elected leaders accepted change and worked to incorporate good ideas from both sides to create something that is better than what we have today.
 
TurtleDude said:
I guess you cannot fathom the fact that some of us tire of a nanny government that grossly disrespects the boundaries placed upon it by the foundation upon which this nation was built upon-the constitution and whether health care is "good" or "bad" is really not relevant if it is contrary to the tenth amendment which I firmly believe it is
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They said the same thing about Social Security.
 
CriticalThought said:
You won't have to wait that long.

Say, have you heard a lot about the New York Mosque lately?

No? I wonder why.
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yeah that is relevant to this debate

how are the courts going to rule on the suits Karnak?
 
CriticalThought said:
They said the same thing about Social Security.
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and its still true-that FDR's lapdog Justices disregarded 100+ years of precedent culminating with the properly decided Schechter Poultry case is a jurisprudential disgrace
 
TurtleDude said:
yeah that is relevant to this debate

how are the courts going to rule on the suits Karnak?
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It's relevant to the point of how the GOP does poltiics. They seize an issue, get FOX and the right wing pundits to strum up some fake news about it, and after they have gotten elected, they drift away from it.
 
CriticalThought said:
It's relevant to the point of how the GOP does poltiics. They seize an issue, get FOX and the right wing pundits to strum up some fake news about it, and after they have gotten elected, they drift away from it.
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when I see someone ranting about "Fox news" that pretty much ends me seeing the poster as being serious.
 
TurtleDude said:
and its still true-that FDR's lapdog Justices disregarded 100+ years of precedent culminating with the properly decided Schechter Poultry case is a jurisprudential disgrace
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Yeah, I imagine if you believe Social Security is unconstitutional then you will feel that way about the health care reform. It'll certainly be an interesting court case to watch.
 
TurtleDude said:
when I see someone ranting about "Fox news" that pretty much ends me seeing the poster as being serious.
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Meh. How you choose to percieve posters is irrelevant to the truth behind the statement.
 
CriticalThought said:
Meh. How you choose to percieve posters is irrelevant to the truth behind the statement.
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what truth? post some empirical evidence to support your Fox rant
 
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