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Health Care Reform Repeal Passes House

pbrauer said:
They won because of the economy, not because of Healthcare.
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The people that voted the Republicans in, by a land slide, are hoping that they will mend the economy and take Obamacare even farther? Is that it? :rofl
 
The Prof said:
ask jimmy carter

or bill clinton

Bill Clinton's Universal Health Care Initiative fails in Congress - Timelines.com

ask tip o'neil, jim wright and tom foley
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i don't think you are understanding my point

you say that republican healthcare reform is almost as "ambitious" as obama's

but they would have never made any significant moves for health care reform if hr2 never came about

now they see that most people want a lot of those reforms, even some repubs do

so they feel pressured to finally act and do what is good for the country

thank b hussein obama for that
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Would a Republican vote for the health care bill if he/she thought it was a good idea?
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we'll never know, because all republicans, from sarah palin to scott brown and olympia snowe, felt THIS bill was a pig

that's why the party in power had to resort to a CRAM

It would "affect their base".
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the gop base, as measured in the districts and state houses across the land, is, today, well, pretty much across the land
 
pbrauer said:
They won because of the economy, not because of Healthcare.
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Exit polling says otherwise:

Fifty-nine percent (59%) of those who voted in today’s elections nationwide favor repeal of the national health care bill passed by congressional Democrats in March, including 48% who Strongly Favor it.

Election Night 2010: Exit Poll Results - Rasmussen Reports™
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The economy was a big issue as well, but health care was higher. Both were topped by a general overall anger at the way the federal government is operated.
 
TurtleDude said:
how does that make them idiots. most of us who voted for the GOP want Obamacare to fail and to die a quick death
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So how do you now feel knowing that this was a largely symbolic gesture done by the impotent?
 
Johnny Centrist said:
i don't think you are understanding my point

you say that republican healthcare reform is almost as "ambitious" as obama's

but they would have never made any significant moves for health care reform if hr2 never came about

now they see that most people want a lot of those reforms, even some repubs do

so they feel pressured to finally act and do what is good for the country

thank b hussein obama for that
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times change

i do thank b hussein, he's put my party in power in the states, in the districts, and very well set up to take the senate in '12

Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com
 
The Prof said:
times change

i do thank b hussein, he's put my party in power in the states, in the districts, and very well set up to take the senate in '12

Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com
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health care needs to be radically changed

the thing about conservatives is they don't like change

thats why conservatives are not responsible for any significant event in the history of this country

liberals started the american revolution (the land owning, religious conservatives were called loyalist back then)

a liberal by the name of abe lincoln freed the slaves (back when republicans were liberals)

and liberals started the civil rights movement

now, another liberal, b hussein obama, has started health care reform

the conservatives are good for certain things (which is why I say im centrist)

but liberals are good when the country needs change
 
I find it hilarious that Republicans think they will win the Senate and Presidency in 2012. You said you would win the Senate this past year but it didn't happen, and neither will this happen.
 
apdst said:
I reckon that's why they won a smashing victory. :lamo
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No, the won a smashing victory in spite of the fact they......, but more importantly because they are not democrats. Check the pollls, no one loves Republicans, they just fired the Democrats.
 
haymarket said:
So how do you now feel knowing that this was a largely symbolic gesture done by the impotent?
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we will see what it does in 2012. Making politicians take a stand on an issue has certain value in a campaign

why is moron carolyn McCarthy trying to introduce more psychotic anti gun legislation in the house?
 
Whovian said:
I'd put money on it.
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Independents like me control the elections now. Democrats and Republicans almost always vote for someone in their party. The large and growing base of independents will decide who will be POTUS in 2012. And boy are they fickle. In '08 you saw them go to polls with Democrats on their minds. Two years later when Obama didn't work a miracle and fix a massive recession in 24 months they went back to the polls voting for Republicans. A lot can happen in the next two years and that will decide the way independents vote. Hell, event the Tucson event boosting his polings amongst independents.
 
Kandahar said:
Are you kidding? He campaigned heavily on health care in 2008 and won by a substantial margin. Even if he was inclined to care more about his reelection than about health care (for which I haven't seen any evidence so far), do you really think that supporting repeal of his signature domestic achievement would help him win reelection? This is one of the most ludicrous assessments I've seen in quite a while.
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thats because you think he won because people voted for him. by and large they didn't. Obama and the Democrats won largely because a massive surge of Americans showed up to vote the Republicans out. just like in 2010, they didn't show up to vote for Republican, they showed up to vote against Democrats.
 
What I love is that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and the Presidency for six years and did nothing about Health care. After ignoring the problem we were left with skyrocketing costs and 50 million without insurance. Being involved with health care I personally have seen families futures destroyed because of an illness or accident. Being also involved in Banking I can tell you that the number one reason for bankruptcy is medical bills that can not be paid. Mostly due to a lack of health care. The system was broken and the Repubicans had no ideas to fix it. If they did they had all the power to do it and waisted it.

I have concerns for the health care bill that was passed last year but at least it showed that they cared and were trying to fix a badly broken system. What have the Republicans done asside from complain about the Democrats plan.
 
Johnny Centrist said:
the thing about conservatives is they don't like change
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we just changed washington

thats why conservatives are not responsible for any significant event in the history of this country
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tell it the folks who lost the cold war

with all due respect, your vision of conservatism comes across to me as cartoonish
 
Kandahar said:
Are you kidding? He campaigned heavily on health care in 2008 and won by a substantial margin. Even if he was inclined to care more about his reelection than about health care (for which I haven't seen any evidence so far), do you really think that supporting repeal of his signature domestic achievement would help him win reelection? This is one of the most ludicrous assessments I've seen in quite a while.
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The Democrats campaigned on healthcare and got toasted in the mid-terms. And I thought the Magical Mystery Stimulus was his signature piece...
 
The Prof said:
we just changed washington
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Haha! You guys didn't change anything. The new house repubs are only on a mission to take out Obama's policies and return things to the way they were.

The Prof said:
tell it the folks who lost the cold war
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so you guys stopped a war that never started (with the help of libs like JFK who handled the Cuban Missile crisis) by using diplomacy, a concept which neo-conservatives today have thrown out and instead adopted the idea of preemptive warfare and aggressive foreign policy. Nice.
 
Johnny Centrist said:
The large and growing base of independents will decide who will be POTUS in 2012. And boy are they fickle. In '08 you saw them go to polls with Democrats on their minds. Two years later when Obama didn't work a miracle and fix a massive recession in 24 months they went back to the polls voting for Republicans.
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obama-pelosi-reid didn't listen to em

we, on the other, did, do and will

ie, we know what we're doing

you appear to have a rather low opinion of your independents

we don't
 
ender1 said:
What I love is that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and the Presidency for six years and did nothing about Health care. After ignoring the problem we were left with skyrocketing costs and 50 million without insurance. Being involved with health care I personally have seen families futures destroyed because of an illness or accident. Being also involved in Banking I can tell you that the number one reason for bankruptcy is medical bills that can not be paid. Mostly due to a lack of health care. The system was broken and the Repubicans had no ideas to fix it. If they did they had all the power to do it and waisted it.

I have concerns for the health care bill that was passed last year but at least it showed that they cared and were trying to fix a badly broken system. What have the Republicans done asside from complain about the Democrats plan.
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Bingo! And one of the big deceptions is it's not being said by the right why many were't happy with the health care bill. Many like myself didn't think it went far enough! Single payer system and get health care the number one expense off of the backs of employers and you would see expansion and growth of the likes you have never seen!

But hey what do you expect from the party of no and sore losers? They'll take the country down as long as they get their way. McConnell and Boner think they got a republican mandate. Wrong! It was just out with the incumbents!
 
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Johnny Centrist said:
You guys didn't change anything.
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pelosi disagrees

The new house repubs are only on a mission to take out Obama's policies and return things to the way they were.
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we're here to replace obama with policies that work

so you guys stopped a war that never started
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tell it to the volk behind the curtain and the wall

by using diplomacy
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we kicked gorby's ass

aggressive foreign policy
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obama ESCALATED afghanistan

he's losing over there, too, by the way

stay up
 
ender1 said:
What I love is that the Republicans had control of the House, Senate and the Presidency for six years and did nothing about Health care. After ignoring the problem we were left with skyrocketing costs and 50 million without insurance. Being involved with health care I personally have seen families futures destroyed because of an illness or accident. Being also involved in Banking I can tell you that the number one reason for bankruptcy is medical bills that can not be paid. Mostly due to a lack of health care. The system was broken and the Repubicans had no ideas to fix it. If they did they had all the power to do it and waisted it.

I have concerns for the health care bill that was passed last year but at least it showed that they cared and were trying to fix a badly broken system. What have the Republicans done asside from complain about the Democrats plan.
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This is one of the best post on a political forum that I've ever seen.
 
Boo Radley said:
If something is true, it's true.
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yup

half trillion in cuts to medicare, all the while obama simultaneously expands its already teetering enrollment by millions:

Capitol Briefing - Senate votes to keep Medicare cuts

er costs increase:

http://www.boston.com/news/local/massachusetts/articles/2009/04/24/er_visits_costs_in_mass_climb/

doctors refuse new medicare patients:

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/02/business/retirementspecial/02health.html

the doc fix passes, another quarter tril unaccounted for:

Senate passes 1-year doc fix - The Hill's Healthwatch

another quarter T double counted:

Budget Office Rebuts Democratic Claims on Medicare (Update1) - Bloomberg

our already broken backed states are burdened with 200 billion in the form of brand new medicaid enrollees

http://www.boston.com/news/health/a...k_over_what_healthcare_bill_will_cost_states/
 
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ender1 said:
I have concerns for the health care bill that was passed last year but at least it showed that they cared and were trying to fix a badly broken system.
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fine, but you can't fix something by making it worse
 
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