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Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

Looks like Dr. Pat ran off when I asked his opinion on when human development ends and human life starts. That one usually gets the pro-choicers lol

Technically when the baby is born. But legally I don't think abortions should take place after the first trimester.
 
Technically when the baby is born. But legally I don't think abortions should take place after the first trimester.

If we are talking technicalities and medical terms, wouldn't it be fetal viability?
 
If God is not part of every aspect of your life you do not have a personal relationship with Him

Thank you, I did not realize we had god himself present and posting on Debate Politics.
 
Then you only seek God for certain things you know best for others.

Do you know God rewarded mid wives in the Old Testament for not doing abortions

In the old testament God rewarded human sacrifice, genecide and slavery.

Actually give me the verses to midwives who didn't do abortions please, will be interesting to me.
 
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If we are talking technicalities and medical terms, wouldn't it be fetal viability?

Depends on what you mean by viable. If you mean that the baby can exit the womb, and survive then with modern tech, that would be around six months at the very earliest.
 
Shocker, the abortion debate goes the same way as always.

"you're killing babies!" "What constitutes a baby!" "What we say constitutes a baby!" "Nuh-uh!" "Yeah-huh!".

The whole thing is an endless loop to infinity because it all comes down to when we define life as beginning, and frankly there is no unquestionable and undeniable notion of when that is. Every statement of "when life begins" is an arbitrary designation that the person who supports it creates and uses what evidence they have to back up their assertion.

People who want abortions, regardless of any point, will argue its not life until the baby is outside of the mother living on its own. Others, who want limits, may suggest its when the baby can sustain outside of the body on its own if it had to or when it can feel pain. Others still, will suggest that the moment life is possible...ie conception...then it is life. But then again, that is no less or more arbitrary than the other ones. Someone could suggest that the moment the genetic material needed to combine and form a child is expelled from the body you have the first stages of life as it has the capacity to create a living breathing child.

Because there is no unquestionable definition of when life truly begins that can be presented in an irrefutable way, we're going to have this run around debate again and again as one side says their arbitrary definition is right while the other screams that no, THEIR'S is and only idiots wouldn't see it.
 
Like I said, I don't mix my religion with my politics, my personal religious objections to abortion have nothing to do with why I think we should keep abortion legal.

So Politics trump God
 
So Politics trump God

No, you just aren't getting it. My religious convictions should only effect my life, not everyone else's life. And also a Christian theocracy isn't a good form of government, well any theocracy for that matter.
 
Can't we remember that only 1 in 3 even believe in the Bible? And can't we ever discuss abortion (in this case, outright murder) without evoking the Bible? Getting as bad as Godwin.

So 70% of this country claims to be a Christian but only 1 in 3 believes the Bible. Someone is not being truthful
 
So 70% of this country claims to be a Christian but only 1 in 3 believes the Bible. Someone is not being truthful

I'm pretty sure she is talking about total population of the world.
 
I missed your question. Feel free to continue to pat yourself on the back though for your so-called victory. Human development obviously ends in the 9th month.

I disagree development continues through the teen years
 
So 70% of this country claims to be a Christian but only 1 in 3 believes the Bible. Someone is not being truthful

Your Star is correct. I was talking about the world.

But having thought about it for the instant it's taken to type this, it would not at ALL surprise me if 1 in 3 Christians didn't literally believe the Bible. I sure don't. Nice parables...
 
Your Star is correct. I was talking about the world.

But having thought about it for the instant it's taken to type this, it would not at ALL surprise me if 1 in 3 Christians didn't literally believe the Bible. I sure don't. Nice parables...

A literal interpretation of the Bible is quite ridiculous. In fact a fundamentalist view on religion is quite ridiculous.
 
In the old testament God rewarded human sacrifice, genecide and slavery.

Actually give me the verses to midwives who didn't do abortions please, will be interesting to me.

Exodus 1:17-21 (New King James Version)

17 But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the male children alive. 18 So the king of Egypt called for the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this thing, and saved the male children alive?”
19 And the midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women; for they are lively and give birth before the midwives come to them.”
20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives, and the people multiplied and grew very mighty. 21 And so it was, because the midwives feared God, that He provided households for them.
 
Depends on what you mean by viable. If you mean that the baby can exit the womb, and survive then with modern tech, that would be around six months at the very earliest.

If a man punches a pregnant woman in the stomach and kills her baby, and he did so with the specific intention of killing her baby, should he be charged with a crime?
 
No, you just aren't getting it. My religious convictions should only effect my life, not everyone else's life. And also a Christian theocracy isn't a good form of government, well any theocracy for that matter.

Thats good for you but remember Judgement day is coming. Because of the moral convictions of the Bible I will always vote conservative. Lately that has been the constitution party
 
If a man punches a pregnant woman in the stomach and kills her baby, and he did so with the specific intention of killing her baby, should he be charged with a crime?

Yes. There is a difference between a woman having control over her body, and someone else trying to control her body.
 
Thats good for you but remember Judgement day is coming. Because of the moral convictions of the Bible I will always vote conservative. Lately that has been the constitution party

Conservative doesn't equal moral. Not by a long shot.
 
A literal interpretation of the Bible is quite ridiculous. In fact a fundamentalist view on religion is quite ridiculous.
Really? There's no part of the Bible you take literally? Jesus, His birth, death and resurrection, were they all just parables?
 
Exodus 1:17-21 (New King James Version)

17 But the midwives feared God, and did not do as the king of Egypt commanded them, but saved the male children alive. 18 So the king of Egypt called for the midwives and said to them, “Why have you done this thing, and saved the male children alive?”
19 And the midwives said to Pharaoh, “Because the Hebrew women are not like the Egyptian women; for they are lively and give birth before the midwives come to them.”
20 Therefore God dealt well with the midwives, and the people multiplied and grew very mighty. 21 And so it was, because the midwives feared God, that He provided households for them.

This is not against abortion, its against forced killing of male children AFTER birth by a dictator. Big difference.

Funnily enough though God had no problem going aroung killing all the first borns in Egypt a bit later, regardless of infancy. Double standards much?

Luckily I know how the bible was written, so I don't have to be horrified by these tales :).
 
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