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Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

This is disgusting. I've come to terms with the fact that women can choose to abort a fetus soon after conception, but there is basically no difference between aborting a 7-9 month old fetus and killing a newborn baby. The mother has so little an interest at that point. Even the SCOTUS has recognized that liability in such circumstances is acceptable, and I hope this man is found guilty.
 
Your Star said:
No matter how much someone hates abortion, or believes its murder, if you ban it, your just going to kill women. Because abortions will never stop, and it's better to have it legal, where it can be done properly, and not in some basement with a coat hanger.
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"That people will do it anyway" is, like, the worst argument for legalizing anything or keeping something reprehensible legal. People will continue to commit all crimes so should all crimes be legalized?
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Just out of curiosity, who are you to define how valid other people's religious views are?
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By their commitment. When abortion and gay marriage are good it shows they do not adhere to the morals that the Bible promotes
 
ptif219 said:
Yes it is it is a human life that is now dead
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Which has nothing to do with your supposed quotes of proof. They were very specific with their wording. They referred to humans in development, which is not the same as a fully developed human. You are only trying to equate the two because it fits with your agenda.
 
X Factor said:
"That people will do it anyway" is, like, the worst argument for legalizing anything or keeping something reprehensible legal. People will continue to commit all crimes so should all crimes be legalized?
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Actually, it is a legitimate argument because women will not only endanger the fetus, but themselves by getting them done anyway by back alley abortionists. I find it interesting that pro-lifers are typically only concerned with the life of the fetus, but when it comes to the mother they seem to stop caring. Is it not better for these women to be able to get this procedure done safely rather than putting themselves at risk as well?
 
X Factor said:
"That people will do it anyway" is, like, the worst argument for legalizing anything or keeping something reprehensible legal. People will continue to commit all crimes so should all crimes be legalized?
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No, it's not. But you have to take into account, what is worse, it being legal, or it being illegal. And for abortion, it being illegal is worse than it being legal. Just like my views on other things like pot, alcohol, etc.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Which has nothing to do with your supposed quotes of proof. They were very specific with their wording. They referred to humans in development, which is not the same as a fully developed human. You are only trying to equate the two because it fits with your agenda.
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No it is a human life No Abortion a baby. So abortion kills the baby, a mother kills her child
 
ptif219 said:
By their commitment. When abortion and gay marriage are good it shows they do not adhere to the morals that the Bible promotes
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And again, who are you to define the validity of anyone's religious views? Obviously the bible is open to interpretation considering that there are a ton of different branches of Christianity. Or are you saying, quite arrogantly, that your way is the only way?
 
ptif219 said:
By their commitment. When abortion and gay marriage are good it shows they do not adhere to the morals that the Bible promotes
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Why are you so prideful to think that you 100% know what is moral, and what is immoral?
 
ptif219 said:
No it is a human life No Abortion a baby. So abortion kills the baby, a mother kills her child
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Ah, so you have no interest in actually discussing this, but would rather spout generic crap about your personal beliefs on the subject. Have fun with that.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Actually, it is a legitimate argument because women will not only endanger the fetus, but themselves by getting them done anyway by back alley abortionists. I find it interesting that pro-lifers are typically only concerned with the life of the fetus, but when it comes to the mother they seem to stop caring. Is it not better for these women to be able to get this procedure done safely rather than putting themselves at risk as well?
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The mother makes the choice knowing the consequences what choice does the baby the abortion kills get
 
Dr_Patrick said:
You are basically trying to compare apples to oranges. Is it really hard to prove your point while staying within the constructs of the topic?
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Ahh, the ol' "Well thats different!" rebuttal. Pay attention to the underlying premise; legalizing something that is considered morally wrong simply so that those who commit the morally wrong act can do it in a safer manner. I don't buy that.
 
Johnny Centrist said:
Ahh, the ol' "Well thats different!" rebuttal. Pay attention to the underlying premise; legalizing something that is considered morally wrong simply so that those who commit the morally wrong act can do it in a safer manner. I don't buy that.
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No, you're absolutely right. Drugs and abortions...totally the same thing. :doh
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Ah, so you have no interest in actually discussing this, but would rather spout generic crap about your personal beliefs on the subject. Have fun with that.
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No that is fact and truth
 
ptif219 said:
No that is fact and truth
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Yes, and you are so concerned with that. You'd rather spout your generic pro-life crap than actually discuss the topic. As I said before, have fun with that.
 
Your Star said:
No matter how much someone hates abortion, or believes its murder, if you ban it, your just going to kill women.
Because abortions will never stop, and it's better to have it legal, where it can be done properly, and not in some basement with a coat hanger.
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That is the most ridiculous thing for anyone to say. Its like saying lets make murder,rape,bank robbery or any other violent crime legal and provide them with bullet proof vests and a gun so that its safe for them to do those things. Anyone who is actually pro-life does not buy the argument of lets have abortion legal so that women can safely kill their children. Only abortionist use that argument of lets have it legal so its safe to do. To me and anyone else who is pro-life killing a baby in the womb is no different than killing anyone outside the womb and therefore that child in the womb should have as much legal protection and the right to life as anyone outside the womb.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
Yes, and you are so concerned with that. You'd rather spout your generic pro-life crap than actually discuss the topic. As I said before, have fun with that.
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Shows you know I am right
 
Dr_Patrick said:
I find it interesting that pro-lifers are typically only concerned with the life of the fetus, but when it comes to the mother they seem to stop caring.
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Many pro lifers including myself believe that abortion should be permitted in cases where the mothers life or health is in danger from the pregnancy. However, home-done abortions with hangers is a "choice" by the mothers and they know all of the risk involved. The fetus has no choice about being terminated. Its a protection of the rights of the fetus.
 
jamesrage said:
That is the most ridiculous thing for anyone to say. Its like saying lets make murder,rape,bank robbery or any other violent crime legal and provide them with bullet proof vests and a gun so that its safe for them to do those things. Anyone who is actually pro-life does not buy the argument of lets have abortion legal so that women can safely kill their children. Only abortionist use that argument of lets have it legal so its safe to do. To me and anyone else who is pro-life killing a baby in the womb is no different than killing anyone outside the womb and therefore that child in the womb should have as much legal protection and the right to life as anyone outside the womb.
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No, having murder, rape, theft illegal is better than having it legal. That is not the issue with abortions. It has a worse effect on society for it to be illegal, then legal.
 
MaggieD said:
Now what prochoice posters will defend this??
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Yes, I was curious how the choicers would react to the story. On one hand, they're not going to want condone this, probably. On the other, they can't bash the doc too much.
 
Johnny Centrist said:
Many pro lifers including myself believe that abortion should be permitted in cases where the mothers life or health is in danger from the pregnancy. However, home-done abortions with hangers is a "choice" by the mothers and they know all of the risk involved. The fetus has no choice about being terminated. Its a protection of the rights of the fetus.
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It's a choice they make when there aren't other safer options available. BTW, a fetus is not a human being, it's a human in development. A human in development isn't even capable of making a choice about anything. Again, not the same thing.
 
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