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Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

independent_thinker2002 said:
Because that is what society has determined. That's how social constructs work.
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And social constructs can be wrong. Slavery was once a social construct, but I'm sure everyone would say it was immoral and one of the greatest atrocities our nation has committed. I recognize that abortion is a legal social construct in this day and age. However, like slavery, I feel it is morally wrong and it should be changed. I think allowing abortion to be illegal but make murder illegal is illogical. I think it's hypocrisy for the law to say it's ok to kill a baby in the womb, but it's wrong to have that fetus delivered and killed. In this case, the law does not give justice to the unborn.
 
digsbe said:
One could say the same about killing a 2 year old versus an adult. Can we put a value of life upon someone based on the amount of cells they have?
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a two year feels pain and has consciousness like an Adult...A four week old embryo does neither of those two things.
 
Iron River said:
If a woman is willing to kill her baby during pregnancy or after birth I don’t want her to have children. I would give abortions on demand and sterilize the woman.

75% or more of the people in prison were unwanted children.
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Well, these were murders on demand, in my opinion. And I'm sure, unless by accident, no one was sterilized. I don't believe your statistic re our prison population.

digsbe said:
It's also a moral idea. I believe every abortion is murder. I think it's illogical to allow the killing of fetuses inside a womb but have it illegal to force delivery and kill them outside the womb and have it legally be murder.
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I'm not quite with you on "every abortion." I'm ProChoice up until 3 full months. Surely there is a moral difference between 3 months and 6...and 7...and 8...

BCR said:
There is a pretty sizable difference in terminating a small congregation of cells at 4 weeks and an almost full sized baby at 8 months....
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Egzakly.
 
BCR said:
a two year feels pain and has consciousness like an Adult...A four week old embryo does neither of those two things.
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So, by the same logic. Is it ok to kill someone in a coma because at that time they are not conscious and cannot feel the pain? Is not being able to feel pain a justification for killing someone?
 
digsbe said:
And social constructs can be wrong. Slavery was once a social construct, but I'm sure everyone would say it was immoral and one of the greatest atrocities our nation has committed. I recognize that abortion is a legal social construct in this day and age. However, like slavery, I feel it is morally wrong and it should be changed. I think allowing abortion to be illegal but make murder illegal is illogical. I think it's hypocrisy for the law to say it's ok to kill a baby in the womb, but it's wrong to have that fetus delivered and killed. In this case, the law does not give justice to the unborn.
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Sure, it can be changed. I doubt it will. As population exponentially increases along with the demand for resources, I don't see this changing at all though.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
Sure, it can be changed. I doubt it will. As population exponentially increases along with the demand for resources, I don't see this changing at all though.
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Regardless, it's wrong and should be changed. Most of the population doesn't agree with unconditional abortion at any stage of pregnancy. It's a shame that many will allow an atrocity because it means their lives will be more comfortable. Placing the lives of the unborn upon the judgement of selfish individuals is wrong. It would be like placing American lives in the hands of some kind of extremist group that sees all human life as destructive to the earth, and thus they chose to kill us all because we are parasites to the planet in their views.
 
No matter how much someone hates abortion, or believes its murder, if you ban it, your just going to kill women. Because abortions will never stop, and it's better to have it legal, where it can be done properly, and not in some basement with a coat hanger.
 
Your Star said:
No matter how much someone hates abortion, or believes its murder, if you ban it, your just going to kill women. Because abortions will never stop, and it's better to have it legal, where it can be done properly, and not in some basement with a coat hanger.
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Is that what your form of Chritianity believes?
 
ptif219 said:
Is that what your form of Chritianity believes?
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My religious views have nothing to do with my position on abortions. I don't mix my religion with my politics. I suggest everyone else do the same.
 
BCR said:
There is a pretty sizable difference in terminating a small congregation of cells at 4 weeks and an almost full sized baby at 8 months....
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Here is a four week old fetus. Hardly a small congregation of cells.

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Dr. Gosnell "induced labor, forced the live birth of viable babies in the sixth, seventh, eighth month of pregnancy and then killed those babies by cutting into the back of the neck with scissors and severing their spinal cord," Mr. Williams said.
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Horrible, how was he able to do this for so long?
I hope he rots in jail.
 
Your Star said:
No matter how much someone hates abortion, or believes its murder, if you ban it, your just going to kill women. Because abortions will never stop, and it's better to have it legal, where it can be done properly, and not in some basement with a coat hanger.
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If we legalize heroin, addicts would be able to get higher quality heroin, thus reducing the amount of overdoses from bad batches, and they would also have easy access to hyperdermic needles reducing HIV rates. Should we legalize heroin too?
 
Your Star said:
My religious views have nothing to do with my position on abortions. I don't mix my religion with my politics. I suggest everyone else do the same.
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Then you only seek God for certain things you know best for others.

Do you know God rewarded mid wives in the Old Testament for not doing abortions
 
Johnny Centrist said:
If we legalize heroin, addicts would be able to get higher quality heroin, thus reducing the amount of overdoses from bad batches, and they would also have easy access to hyperdermic needles reducing HIV rates. Should we legalize heroin too?
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Drugs should be legalised, regulated and taxed and with the money wasted through the pointless war on drugs diverted perhaps on helping addicts get off it :shrug:
 
Johnny Centrist said:
If we legalize heroin, addicts would be able to get higher quality heroin, thus reducing the amount of overdoses from bad batches, and they would also have easy access to hyperdermic needles reducing HIV rates. Should we legalize heroin too?
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You are basically trying to compare apples to oranges. Is it really hard to prove your point while staying within the constructs of the topic?
 
ptif219 said:
Then you only seek God for certain things you know best for others.

Do you know God rewarded mid wives in the Old Testament for not doing abortions
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My relationship with God is personal, and has no bearing on my political views. Personally I would never get an abortion, because I don't personally support it, but I'm not going to be prideful enough to think that I know what is best for everyone, and I know that looking back at history, having abortions banned has done nothing but harm society.
 
Dr_Patrick said:
That's strange, because a majority of those quotes are about human development beginning at fertilization, not life. I'd say there is a big difference there. I don't think anyone can argue that human development begins at fertilization.
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So if you kill it you killed a human
 
Your Star said:
My relationship with God is personal, and has no bearing on my political views. Personally I would never get an abortion, because I don't personally support it, but I'm not going to be prideful enough to think that I know what is best for everyone, and I know that looking back at history, having abortions banned has done nothing but harm society.
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If God is not part of every aspect of your life you do not have a personal relationship with Him
 
ptif219 said:
If God is not part of every aspect of your life you do not have a personal relationship with Him
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Just out of curiosity, who are you to define how valid other people's religious views are?
 
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