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Abortion Doctor Charged with Murder

I kept asking what this doc did that was so different from other abortion doctors. Your answers were basically only that he broke the law. So I ask, other than breaking the law what has this doc done that's so much more wrong than other abortion doctors?

Your question has been answered twice already. The man murdered children who were born alive and breathing on their own. The majority of abortions happen at a point in the pregnancy when the fetus is nowhere near the point of viability. In my mind, what he did is much more wrong because he killed "persons" in the legal sense of the term.
 
Your question has been answered twice already. The man murdered children who were born alive and breathing on their own. The majority of abortions happen at a point in the pregnancy when the fetus is nowhere near the point of viability. In my mind, what he did is much more wrong because he killed "persons" in the legal sense of the term.
And, in my mind, what he did is not much different than what every other abortion doctor does. Your lines seem arbitrary, Arcana. On one hand you seem to argue viability but then say you're no longer a choicer after 12 weeks. So at 11 weeks it's not a baby, but at 13 weeks it is?
 
And, in my mind, what he did is not much different than what every other abortion doctor does. Your lines seem arbitrary, Arcana. On one hand you seem to argue viability but then say you're no longer a choicer after 12 weeks. So at 11 weeks it's not a baby, but at 13 weeks it is?

It's a "baby" from the moment of conception, if you want to go with simplistic terms. It's alive. It's a life. I'm certainly not the kind of pro-choice person who pretends we're not dealing with life termination when talking about abortion. The difference between strict "moment of conception pro-lifers" and someone like myself is that I don't place any value at all on the "life" of a first trimester fetus and I make no apologies for it. It may seem arbitrary to you, but the line has to be drawn somewhere in order to reach a compromise. Ideally, I would prefer that the limit be placed at 8 weeks, but I'm willing to go as far as 14 weeks if that will appease the more liberal pro-choicers.

I've had this discussion countless times on here and there are scientific reasons for my "arbitrary lines". Most of them in regards to fetal brain development. I don't want to have this discussion again, suffice it to say that my limitations, even when they go as far as 14 weeks gestation, err on the side of caution. I'm perfectly at peace with my stance on abortion. :shrug:
 
Besides, I don't believe every initially unwanted child grows up to be a murderer or a drain on society just as I don't think a "wanted" child from a good home can't wind up being those things.

Good point. I grew up to be a; father, husband of some 30 years and a teacher. Of course, on the down side, some find me irritating. Maybe an abortion was called for after all. :mrgreen:
 
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It's a "baby" from the moment of conception, if you want to go with simplistic terms. It's alive. It's a life. I'm certainly not the kind of pro-choice person who pretends we're not dealing with life termination when talking about abortion. The difference between strict "moment of conception pro-lifers" and someone like myself is that I don't place any value at all on the "life" of a first trimester fetus and I make no apologies for it. It may seem arbitrary to you, but the line has to be drawn somewhere in order to reach a compromise. Ideally, I would prefer that the limit be placed at 8 weeks, but I'm willing to go as far as 14 weeks if that will appease the more liberal pro-choicers.

I've had this discussion countless times on here and there are scientific reasons for my "arbitrary lines". Most of them in regards to fetal brain development. I don't want to have this discussion again, suffice it to say that my limitations, even when they go as far as 14 weeks gestation, err on the side of caution. I'm perfectly at peace with my stance on abortion. :shrug:

I must say I find this quite refreshing. American liberals/leftists are never this honest.
 
I must say I find this quite refreshing. American liberals/leftists are never this honest.

For the most part, both the left and the right have pretty much settled the issue herein Europe. Wherever abortion is legal, the limit is placed latest at 14 weeks. Again, the UK and Finland being the only exceptions. It's no longer the hot-button issue you all are stilld ealing with over there.
 
How did liberals bring us to this? You realize that this guy broke the law right? Where did liberals say this was acceptable?

The open season on abortions. This proliferation of abortion on demand. It's a substitute for birth control. Liberals supported it all 100%, even partial birth abortion was support by their fringe.

Conservatives haven't support this ****.
 
You have to look at it as a realist. Abortions are NEVER going to stop, you can't ignore that fact, and having abortions legal, is better than having it illegal, due to the fact that it will harm women. Abortion by itself isn't good, but when you put it in the context of the real world, having it legal, is better then having it illegal.

So it is better to kill millions of babies rather than a few thousand women? That makes no sense
 
So it is better to kill millions of babies rather than a few thousand women? That makes no sense

This is one of the reasons why that abortionist argument of "women will hurt themselves or get themselves killed due to back alley abortions if abortion becomes illegal" is hogwash to any one who is actually pro-life.
 
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