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Mock Slave Auction Brings Some Spectators to Tears

Slavery divided our Nation, caused a war, and ended the practice a long time ago. One of the people quoted in the article summed it up well,
To me, it was a reminder," Conner said. "It is our history." . The key point is it is history from long ago for the US.
 
Let us not forget that every world power in world history to that point was built on the backs of oppression and slavery. The United States was no different.

When you have no established currency other than labor, how do you pay that labor? You force it, as ugly as that it is. And lest we forget, the African "businessmen" who sold these slaves were black men themselves, and the practice still carries on in Africa to this day.

History didn't begin the day we were born, unlike liberals tend to think. America isn't the bastion of slavery, it was one of hundreds of civilizations that was built with slavery as a component.
 
Erod said:
Let us not forget that every world power in world history to that point was built on the backs of oppression and slavery. The United States was no different.

When you have no established currency other than labor, how do you pay that labor? You force it, as ugly as that it is. And lest we forget, the African "businessmen" who sold these slaves were black men themselves, and the practice still carries on in Africa to this day.

History didn't begin the day we were born, unlike liberals tend to think. America isn't the bastion of slavery, it was one of hundreds of civilizations that was built with slavery as a component.
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Please prove that liberals (or the US, I don't know exactly to which you are referring to) tend to think that history began the day they were born.

At the OP: Personally, I see this as a good thing as even though it is in the past, in the words of George Santayana: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
 
... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
 
Hatuey said:
... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
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Why would any one rational care what Beck says?
 
Redress said:
Why would any one rational care what Beck says?
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Because revisionism is incredibly dangerous when mixed with appeals to religious unity and extreme nationalism. Beck exhibits the worst of all three. The revisionism of America's working class. The religious unity of far right Protestant groups and the extreme nationalism akin to European right wing regimes like those of Franco.
 
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Mr. Invisible said:
Please prove that liberals (or the US, I don't know exactly to which you are referring to) tend to think that history began the day they were born.

At the OP: Personally, I see this as a good thing as even though it is in the past, in the words of George Santayana: Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."
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And those who live in the past are doomed to stagnation, derision and bitterness.
 
Erod said:
Let us not forget that every world power in world history to that point was built on the backs of oppression and slavery. The United States was no different.

When you have no established currency other than labor, how do you pay that labor? You force it, as ugly as that it is. And lest we forget, the African "businessmen" who sold these slaves were black men themselves, and the practice still carries on in Africa to this day.

History didn't begin the day we were born, unlike liberals tend to think. America isn't the bastion of slavery, it was one of hundreds of civilizations that was built with slavery as a component.
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While I agree with your assessment for the most part, I will point out that America's relationship with slavery was much more intimate. In 1802 and 1803 respectively, France and Britain both outlawed slavery, and life went on -- former slaves in the UK and France were, while not treated like equal citizens for quite a while, allowed the basic privileges of man, and allowed work. In the States, however, it took you another half a century to outlaw -- even beating out Russia, which outlawed it (serfdom in their case) a year earlier than the States. And then, you fought the bloodiest war in your history because half of you wanted to continue.

So it's not quite right to say "America was just one slaveholding nation among many, no different from any other."
 
Le Marteau said:
While I agree with your assessment for the most part, I will point out that America's relationship with slavery was much more intimate. In 1802 and 1803 respectively, France and Britain both outlawed slavery, and life went on -- former slaves in the UK and France were, while not treated like equal citizens for quite a while, allowed the basic privileges of man, and allowed work. In the States, however, it took you another half a century to outlaw -- even beating out Russia, which outlawed it (serfdom in their case) a year earlier than the States. And then, you fought the bloodiest war in your history because half of you wanted to continue.

So it's not quite right to say "America was just one slaveholding nation among many, no different from any other."
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But didn't those dirty slave owning bastards in the USA and/or their forebearers come from UK, France, and other EU countries? :doh

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TOJ said:
But didn't those dirty slave owning bastards in the USA and/or their forebearers come from UK, France, and other EU countries? :doh

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Well, certainly (for the most part). But that's not to say their culture remained unchanged, is it?

Is American culture today the same as British, Irish, Mexican or German culture? Certainly not, but that's where the vast majority of Americans descend from.
 
Hatuey said:
... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
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Show us what percentage of the Founders owned slaves. Thanks in advance.
 
jambalaya said:
And those who live in the past are doomed to stagnation, derision and bitterness.
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And, those who don't remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
 
Hatuey said:
... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
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The northerners wanted the 3/5ths compromise, not the southerners.
 
Le Marteau said:
While I agree with your assessment for the most part, I will point out that America's relationship with slavery was much more intimate. In 1802 and 1803 respectively, France and Britain both outlawed slavery, and life went on -- former slaves in the UK and France were, while not treated like equal citizens for quite a while, allowed the basic privileges of man, and allowed work. In the States, however, it took you another half a century to outlaw -- even beating out Russia, which outlawed it (serfdom in their case) a year earlier than the States. And then, you fought the bloodiest war in your history because half of you wanted to continue.

So it's not quite right to say "America was just one slaveholding nation among many, no different from any other."
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America was a slave-owning country for a far shorter time than France and Britain. Once an economy is established, slavery is no longer as "needed" since their is a currency to trade other than labor.

America had slaves for a couple hundred years. Britain and France had them for far longer.
 
apdst said:
Show us what percentage of the Founders owned slaves. Thanks in advance.
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the actual % of the population that were slave owners was really small. the libs and apologists would like you to believe that every white person in the south was a brutal tyrant that owned hundreds of slaves. It just isn't true.

The 1850 census also determined that there were fewer than 385,000 individuals who owned slaves (1). Even if all slaveholders had been white, that would amount to only 1.4 percent of whites in the country (or 4.8 percent of southern whites owning one or more slaves).
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less than 5% of southern whites owned slaves and yet the apologists want to blame every white alive today for slavery. and then they wonder why racism still exists.
 
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Hatuey said:
... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
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Both sides are guilty of revisionist history when it comes to this. There are those who like to make it out that the north was kind and benevolent, thinking of the poor inhumanity of the salves, and forcing the 3/5ths compromise to happen to keep them from not being countered at all. The other side makes it out to be that the south was actually the ones pushing for the counting of slaves as a full person and the evil northerners that were just greedily thinking of their own interest.

In reality, the north and the south by and large at that time didn't give a **** about the slaves. The South wanted them counted as a whole person, not because they were admitting their humanity or their status as equals, but because it would help give them more voting power. Likewies, the North wasn't arguing that they SHOULDN'T be counted because they hated slaves, but because they cared about their own power and counting slaves would reduce it.

The 3/5th's compromise had nothing to do with either side giving a damn about the slaves, but had to do with the South thinking it at least got something to bolster their political power and the north thinking they at least limited the political power the south would get. Whether or not it humanized or dehumanized the slaves was not of great interest in a large sense to either side, despite what both sides try to depict.
 
Hatuey said:
... and then rabid Glenn Beck supporters want us to believe that the Founding Fathers, a large percentage of whom owned slaves, were thinking about the humanity of these people when coming up with the 3/5ths compromise.
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Oh please tell us what the 3/5 clause was all about then, if you would.


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OscarB63 said:
the actual % of the population that were slave owners was really small. the libs and apologists would like you to believe that every white person in the south was a brutal tyrant that owned hundreds of slaves. It just isn't true.



less than 5% of southern whites owned slaves and yet the apologists want to blame every white alive today for slavery. and then they wonder why racism still exists.
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That says more about the colonial South's oligarchical tendencies than their moral virtues, although on the side I doubt the number is statically correct as by the time of the Civil War 1/4 Southern whites owned slaves.

Anyway, even non-slave owners were complicit in slavery and discrimination against blacks by either being involved in the business somehow or by their participation in policies that brought the hammer down on freedom of movement for slaves and turned the southern states into armed camps against slave rebellion.
 
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Morality Games said:
That says more about the colonial South's oligarchical tendencies than their moral virtues, although on the side I doubt the number is statically correct as by the time of the Civil War 1/4 Southern whites owned slaves.

Anyway, even non-slave owners were complicit in slavery and discrimination against blacks by either being involved in the business somehow or by their involvement in policies that brought the hammer down on freedom of movement for slaves and turned the southern states into armed camps against slave rebellion.
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any number to back up your biased opinion? I got my numbers from the 1850 census. where did you get yours? your ass?

most non-slave owners were poor people who didn't give a **** about slavery. they were just trying to keep their families from starving.
 
apdst said:
And, those who don't remember the past, are doomed to repeat it.
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That quote is usually used to lend an insightful and thoughtful aspect to those who use it, in order to flatter themselves, but in fact it is gibberish.

The past is always different from the present and the present always different from the future. No two situations are ever identical because the people involved and events carried out are never quite the same. Those who believe that history is just an ongoing series of similar events cannot be very familiar with history.
 
Le Marteau said:
While I agree with your assessment for the most part, I will point out that America's relationship with slavery was much more intimate. In 1802 and 1803 respectively, France and Britain both outlawed slavery, and life went on -- former slaves in the UK and France were, while not treated like equal citizens for quite a while,
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In fact the sight of any Black person in Britain, up to the middle of the last century, was a rarity. Until a little over a generation ago Black immigration was discouraged or illegal and Blacks were once simply sent elsewhere, expelled from Britain.

Neither the French or the British have their hands clean, or are in any position to lecture Americans about their past. This game of oneupmanship being played by the Europeans is one they will lose should they ever want to get serious about it.
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