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AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

When you threaten the life of a government official, you're the perp, not the victim.

I hope this piece of **** gets life.

Let him keep blaming people, eventually he'll probably mouth off to the wrong person and get shot again. Hopefully that criminal will have better aim.

Fortunately, most people don't look at things in these kind of absurd black/white terms.
 
When you threaten the life of a government official, you're the perp, not the victim.

I hope this piece of **** gets life.

Let him keep blaming people, eventually he'll probably mouth off to the wrong person and get shot again. Hopefully that criminal will have better aim.

He threatened a tea party leader. I don't think that qualifies as a government official.
 
Fortunately, most people don't look at things in these kind of absurd black/white terms.

Oh a dismissal tactic, you must want to play silly games, very good :mrgreen:



.......wait, I didn't offer an argument to then take offense at your ignoring it. Carry on :2wave:
 
Oh a dismissal tactic, you must want to play silly games, very good :mrgreen:



.......wait, I didn't offer an argument to then take offense at your ignoring it. Carry on :2wave:

Nope. Just doing what I can to put a stop to YOUR silly games.
 
He threatened a tea party leader. I don't think that qualifies as a government official.

Well I'll be dipped in ****.

I misread "Toward the end of the meeting, local news reports that Fuller objected to comments made by Humphries and Arizona state Rep. Terri Proud, a Republican."

But the guy's still a retard and I hop he goes to jail.
 
Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

You started a thread with that title. You made those comments. Are you now claiming that you were being sarcastic? So, you used inflamatory language as a retort? As I have been saying THAT is part of the problem.

Whoops. on the ninth I did have my panties in a wad over Palin being blamed, didn't I?
This must be what you're talking about.But hey, I was just posting what his friends had tweeted about him being a liberal.At that time everyone was still trying to prove he was a righty. I was having a mental breakdown over the whole thing at that time. Where's your sympathy for me?:lol:
My comments in red.

This creep is obviously a liberal since he is anti-flag, anti-war, anti- God.
I also found this
Caitie Parker (caitieparker) on Twitter
I never said anything about him being a Tea Partier, check your facts.
I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"

BTW, I'm only posting this to blow off steam. So many trying to blame Sarah Palin and the Tea Party as usual.
I'm sure he is a left-wing nut, but he is a nut and only he is to blame. Not the liberals or any of the hate filled liberal pundits or politicians
 
Re: Shooting Victim Threatens Tea Partier

Whoops. on the ninth I did have my panties in a wad over Palin being blamed, didn't I?
This must be what you're talking about.But hey, I was just posting what his friends had tweeted about him being a liberal.At that time everyone was still trying to prove he was a righty. I was having a mental breakdown over the whole thing at that time. Where's your sympathy for me?:lol:
My comments in red.

This creep is obviously a liberal since he is anti-flag, anti-war, anti- God.
I also found this
Caitie Parker (caitieparker) on Twitter
I never said anything about him being a Tea Partier, check your facts.
I haven't seen him since '07. Then, he was left wing.
he had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in '06, & dropped out of school. Mainly loner very philosophical.
As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal. & oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy.
He was a political radical & met Giffords once before in '07, asked her a question & he told me she was "stupid & unintelligent"

BTW, I'm only posting this to blow off steam. So many trying to blame Sarah Palin and the Tea Party as usual.
I'm sure he is a left-wing nut, but he is a nut and only he is to blame. Not the liberals or any of the hate filled liberal pundits or politicians

Yes, I know. Those are the comments I reposted. So, what you are saying is that sometimes, people get really angry at rhetoric from the other side and strike back, right? Now, I'm not saying this is OK, but can you see how, just as you got upset when liberals are making stupid and ridiculous accusations, that when conservatives make stupid accusations, liberals might get upset? See how this whole thing works?
 
Well I'll be dipped in ****.

I misread "Toward the end of the meeting, local news reports that Fuller objected to comments made by Humphries and Arizona state Rep. Terri Proud, a Republican."

But the guy's still a retard and I hop he goes to jail.

Oh, I missed that a Rep was involved at all. No matter, he made to threat to Humphries, not Terri Proud.
 
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This goofy ass isn't, "disturbed", nor does he need, "therapy", nor is he suffering from PTSD.

He knew exactly what he was doing and he knew it was wrong. He's nothing but one of those partisan hacks that CC railed against earlier in this thread.

Tucson Shooting Survivor: "It Looks Like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the Rest Got Their First Target"

Whether he is a hack or not is irrelevant. His mental illness propelled his behavior. Not all hacks threaten to kill people. If they did, we'd lose 50% of the DP membership to jail for terroristic threats.
 
Whether he is a hack or not is irrelevant. His mental illness propelled his behavior. Not all hacks threaten to kill people. If they did, we'd lose 50% of the DP membership to jail for terroristic threats.

I can't believe you making excuses for this clown. I'm totally blown away.
 
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Yes, I know. Those are the comments I reposted. So, what you are saying is that sometimes, people get really angry at rhetoric from the other side and strike back, right? Now, I'm not saying this is OK, but can you see how, just as you got upset when liberals are making stupid and ridiculous accusations, that when conservatives make stupid accusations, liberals might get upset? See how this whole thing works?
:surrender
I guess. Still, political discourse is healthy and sometimes necessary.



:gunner:
And ummm blaming Palin was completely unfounded and calling Loughner a conservative or tea partier was unfounded.
My post showed some proof that maybe he was a liberal after all. Not that there's anything wrong with that.:2wave:
 
And all that is irrelevant to the fact that he suffers from PTSD and the shooting undoubtedly worsened the condition.

Where exactly is this individual supposed to be a PTSD sufferer again? He seems to be a fairly well function ing individual...he has worked for and petitions for political campaigns. He had to interrupt his tennis game to attend the political function that was the site of the shooting. He made repeated mindless baised comments even after his rhetoric has been proven lies. His behavior at this event is no different or worse than his previous. SO again...whence the mental illness?

Color me a little skeptical about the PTSD claims. You know as well as I do that it is as overused and abused as a diagnosis (and dodge for irresponsible behaviors) as is ADHD, BPD and any of the diagnosis du'joir.
 
Where exactly is this individual supposed to be a PTSD sufferer again? He seems to be a fairly well function ing individual...he has worked for and petitions for political campaigns. He had to interrupt his tennis game to attend the political function that was the site of the shooting. He made repeated mindless baised comments even after his rhetoric has been proven lies. His behavior at this event is no different or worse than his previous. SO again...whence the mental illness?

Color me a little skeptical about the PTSD claims. You know as well as I do that it is as overused and abused as a diagnosis (and dodge for irresponsible behaviors) as is ADHD, BPD and any of the diagnosis du'joir.

Makes you wonder if all the people sticking up for this doofuss, took up for Loughner in the same manner. Don't it?

My observation tells me...uh, no! Which screams, hypocrisy.
 
Again. Irrelevant. His PTSD triggered his intense and outrageous reaction. Similar to the fact that the shooter's mental illness created his intense and outrageous behavior. It doesn't excuse it. But it does explain it.

Im sorry...you know that how exactly? And what exactly is the source of his initial PTSD? And how is his alleged PTSD experience and treatment relational too his obvious partisan bias and outbursts which have NOTHING to do with what actually occured? Sorry...it just doesnt synch. 1 = 1 has to equal '2'...not 'truck.' Where is his attempts to avoid the tramua? Hell, this cat is looking for opportunities to engage.
 
Makes you wonder if all the people sticking up for this doofuss, took up for Loughner in the same manner. Don't it?

My observation tells me...uh, no! Which screams, hypocrisy.

I dont know about sticking up for him, but they have certainly created for him a built in defense. Its not his fault...he was cwaaaaaazy! And how could he not be with this constant climate of hatred...like...well...like what this Fuller cat is spewing...
 
I dont know about sticking up for him, but they have certainly created for him a built in defense. Its not his fault...he was cwaaaaaazy! And how could he not be with this constant climate of hatred...like...well...like what this Fuller cat is spewing...

Hard to argue that the guy did have a bad week. Prolly reasonable to let the cops sort out the details and prosecute if appropriate.

But I do agree that any "PTSD" type defense needs to be scrutinized. Should not be an automatic get out of jail free card....

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Hard to argue that the guy did have a bad week. Prolly reasonable to let the cops sort out the details and prosecute if appropriate.

But I do agree that any "PTSD" type defense needs to be scrutinized. Should not be an automatic get out of jail free card....

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I dont doubt it. I dont question his stressors. And frankly, I dont think he should go to jail...I dont think they should have another 'beer summit', but Im sure the individual he threatened could show a little class, maybe extend a hand, and drop the charges. Compared to what that city has gone through, it would be a nice gesture.
 
I dont know about sticking up for him, but they have certainly created for him a built in defense. Its not his fault...he was cwaaaaaazy! And how could he not be with this constant climate of hatred...like...well...like what this Fuller cat is spewing...

We're seeing the hypocrisy of some folks--yes, mostly Libbos--in that Loughner was a politics crazed killer and even if he wasn't, he needs to go to jail for the rest of his life, if not go to the gas chamber.

But Fuller? He's just a victim and needs observation and therapy. BTW, it's irrelevant all of a sudden that Fuller's a partisan hack.
 
I can't believe you making excuses for this clown. I'm totally blown away.

I can't believe that you actually think I'm making excuses for him. I'm not. I'm explaining his behavior. He should receive treatment AND consequences commenserate with his behavior.
 
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:surrender
I guess. Still, political discourse is healthy and sometimes necessary.

SOME political discourse is healthy, but it depends on how. Lies, misrepresentations, and statements with the intent to villify and nothing else are not healthy. They create more divisiveness and more gridlock. And more anger.

:gunner:
And ummm blaming Palin was completely unfounded and calling Loughner a conservative or tea partier was unfounded.

I agree. As was calling Loughner a liberal or blaming liberals ONLY for the aggressive rhetoric over the past X amount of years.

My post showed some proof that maybe he was a liberal after all. Not that there's anything wrong with that.:2wave:

No, your post didn't. You made an innacurate association, one that only brings about more unhealthy discourse. Which is why I pointed it out.
 
Where exactly is this individual supposed to be a PTSD sufferer again? He seems to be a fairly well function ing individual...he has worked for and petitions for political campaigns. He had to interrupt his tennis game to attend the political function that was the site of the shooting. He made repeated mindless baised comments even after his rhetoric has been proven lies. His behavior at this event is no different or worse than his previous. SO again...whence the mental illness?

I would think that you know that many PTSD sufferers are not completely debilitated. Many can function just like anyone else, for the most part. However, if an incident then triggers some symptom or issue that is complicated by their PTSD, the issue can get worse because of this triggering. His behavior is CERTAINLY different. He has never threatened any member of the Tea Party before. Undoubtedly, his over the top reaction was due to the triggering of his PTSD.

Color me a little skeptical about the PTSD claims. You know as well as I do that it is as overused and abused as a diagnosis (and dodge for irresponsible behaviors) as is ADHD, BPD and any of the diagnosis du'joir.

Sometimes. I treat plenty with PTSD. From what I see, he was triggered, causing some of this extreme behavior. But again, this does not EXCUSE it. It only EXPLAINS it. I have said this repeatedly. Anyone who does not hear me say this has their own agenda.
 
Makes you wonder if all the people sticking up for this doofuss, took up for Loughner in the same manner. Don't it?

My observation tells me...uh, no! Which screams, hypocrisy.

Make me wonder why you are ignoring consistency. I, for one, am being consistent. Both men were motivated by mental illness. Both men's mental illness, meeting with their extreme political views combined to cause their reactions. Both men's mental illness helps explain their behaviors. Both men are responsible for their behaviors regardless of their mental illness and should receive consequences in accordance with what they did. This is consistency. Like I said... anyone who doesn't see this has their own agenda and has no objectivity.
 
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