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AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

It is the best evidence that the leftists are themselves biggest terrorists.
 
I have to agree that the Sheriff who blamed the Tea Party for the shootings should be the one behind bars in this case..
 
The interview does not alter the accuracy of my statements about Fuller.

Unless you are also 'IAMITTER' I have to admit that I have no idea what your comments are or were. I read the OP...a few comments on page 3 of posts, some on page 5, a few on page 11, then skipped to the end. Wasnt addressing you. What I have seen from your comments on other threads pretty much mirror mine...that there is one individual that is responsible for the actions on 8 January. That BOTH sides have used vitriol and rhetoric. And regardless of incident, Fuller is not in any way shape or form justified in venting his own personal hatred against a Tea Party member or ANYONE other than the shooter.

My personal opinion...the shooter was unhinged (NOT mentally ill) from years of low self esteem, probably a bit spoiled, and a major asshole to boot. Certainly he is responsible for his own actiuons. Mr Fuller sounds to me like he is a politically motivated partisan hack that is using a very personal tragedy to promote his own version of hatred. Even when the facts were known about the lack of right wing influence on Loughner he CONTINUES to spew his own venom and hate filled rhetoric. Thats not PTSD...thats him being a major asshole as well. Sounds to me like he got out of his little public display exactly what he wanted.
 
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Why don't any of YOU feel something for Fuller as a victim? He's struggling to deal with what happened to him - no, he's not doing the right thing - but he needs HELP (by this I mean he needs therapy and support) - not judgment.

victims of all different tragedies deal with guilt, anger, frustration, heartbreak, and even survivor's remorse - Some even commit suicide. They need HELP and support - not ridicule and judgment.

I hope he pulls through - I hope that he can let go of the anger and accept what's happened and actually piece his heart and mind back together.

Why is everyone else reading into this sentiment of mine and seeing that I'm acting out of line and horribly wrong for WANTING him to be OK in the end? Yes - I hope and pray that Fuller can recover from his physical and mental trauma.

And so should all of you.

He threatened someone's life. A congress critter, at that. Any sympathy as a victim that I might have had for his, is officially gone.
 
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He threatened someone's life. A congress critter, at that. Any sympathy as a victim that I might have had for his, is officially gone.

From what I've read you have little sympathy for anyone suffering from any sort of a mental issue.
You expect everyone - no matter what - to react reasonably in every situation.

But that's not how things work.
 
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He threatened someone's life. A congress critter, at that. Any sympathy as a victim that I might have had for his, is officially gone.

CONGRESS CRITTER!?!?!?!?!?

Why do you insist on this over the top hyperbolic expression labeling human beings as animals?
 
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From what I've read you have little sympathy for anyone suffering from any sort of a mental issue.
You expect everyone - no matter what - to react reasonably in every situation.

But that's not how things work.

There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just pissed off and wants to blame someone. He's just like every other dumbass that wants to blame, "The Right". And that, I have zero sympathy for.

At some point, people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses for doing stupid ****. He should be prosecuted and made an example, just like Loughner.
 
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From what I've read you have little sympathy for anyone suffering from any sort of a mental issue.
You expect everyone - no matter what - to react reasonably in every situation.

But that's not how things work.

There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just pissed off and wants to blame someone. He's just like every other dumbass that wants to blame, "The Right". And that, I have zero sympathy for.

At some point, people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses for doing stupid ****. He should be prosecuted and made an example, just like Loughner.
 
The problem is, there were really irresponsible members of the media casting accusations and assumptions without anything to back that up. Now that it's clear the shooter was a nutzoid, their sins are even more reprehensible. The fact this loser made threats against someone based on lies indicts those media folks spreading said lies. Perhaps it would be good if they would publicly acknowledge their lies and retract them.

Please provide proof...preferably more proof then people were able to provide with regards to the attack on the congresswomen...that this mans thoughts and views were in any way shaped due to "media folks" and not based on his own perception and views?

Otherwise, you're doing the same thing as them....making baseless accusations based on assumptions that attempt to capitalize on an event to push a political goal and indict others for someone else's actions.
 
Oh I dunno, maybe the fact there were folks in the media blaming the Tea Party from the word Go... now this guy makes death threats against the Tea Party Leader...

Seems like a clear case of believing lies to me.

You realize this is the exact same thing that people who were going "Oh I don't know, Palin puts crosshairs on this woman and says she needs to be taken out, and then someone shoots her, seems like a clear case to me."
 
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YOU made accusations towards the left by claiming that Loughner was a lefty. So, since you are all into retractions of lies and misinformation, how about retracting.

Please show where I claimed that other than claiming he just as likely could be a lefty as a righty. Yes, I may have given examples like the Communist Manifesto as a retort to accusations of the gold standard making him a righty.
He's neither. And even if he was it shouldn't be blamed on the words of Sarah Palin or Keith Olbermann.
The truth is, the guy is more than likely a schitzophrenic.
 
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There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just pissed off and wants to blame someone. He's just like every other dumbass that wants to blame, "The Right". And that, I have zero sympathy for.

At some point, people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses for doing stupid ****. He should be prosecuted and made an example, just like Loughner.

Oh - now you're a psychologist and long distance - over the internet - you're diagnosing him for what's "really wrong with him"
Since you're so intellectually aware of the world that's far away from you - how many fingers am I holding up?

Or how about we put him in the mental-health wing of a hospital for observation and analysis and then have DOCTORS actually determine his mental condition and what to do, next?

And Loughner's not an example of HOW TO HANDLE THINGS - he's an example of what happens when someone's a nutter and doesn't get put away for a while. . . he's an example of what happens when people don't DO anything.
 
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There's nothing wrong with this dude. He's just pissed off and wants to blame someone. He's just like every other dumbass that wants to blame, "The Right". And that, I have zero sympathy for.

At some point, people have to take responsibility for their actions and stop making excuses for doing stupid ****. He should be prosecuted and made an example, just like Loughner.

Who is making excuses for his actions?

What is the best responsible thing for him to do?

Most people are advocating that he gets help, not that his behavior be excused...

And the guy was shot twice at a community gathering, where he did nothing wrong. I'd say he has every right to be angry or upset about that... If you want to argue his anger is misdirected, then that is a different direction than the conversation has been in since I have gotten here, but I'd agree with you.

Hoping that he gets help would involve helping him realize his anger is misguided.
 
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You realize this is the exact same thing that people who were going "Oh I don't know, Palin puts crosshairs on this woman and says she needs to be taken out, and then someone shoots her, seems like a clear case to me."

I honestly haven't been watching this unfold on the networks... I don't have time.

Is Olbermann, Beck, Hannity and the rest of them blaming each others rhetoric? If the left is pointing out Palin's map, is the right talking about this guy and pointing to MNSBC like some people are doing in this thread?

Personally, I don't think it's Palin's fault.. it would be idiotic to say her map was responsible or encouraged it. I do think her map was in bad taste, and I remember when it came out... it got a lot of negative attention. She didn't remove it back then, and I think she is smart enough to know that the map was going to create that type of reaction. I think that is part of ploy to stay in the media though.

For as much as she claims the media is against her and has it out for her, she loves giving them "ammo" and this time it came back and bit her in the a**.
 
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*snip*
Wait a minute - on second thought - what the hell is your point, here? Are you actually suggesting that we shouldn't try to rehabilitate people who are suffering from mental illnesses and emotional problems? Gee - let's just throw the baby out with the bathwater, then, yeah?

Fuller is having issues dealing with what happened to him - he needs medical assistance and intervention so he can move on with his life in a *good way* - he's not a thug on a street corner.

If they had given notice and adequate medical intervention and threw Loughner in the psych-ward because he was a proven a threat to OTHERS then Fuller wouldn't even BE injured and struggling to recover right now.

So obviously - YES - the importance of helping those who have MENTAL issues is VERY important.

But an amount of understanding should be extended to Fuller - you don't have to AGREE with him (heavens - I don't) - but people MUST understand that being a victim of a horrible tragedy is VERY hard for the mind to cope with.

People all to often DON'T care and DON'T give such people the medical help they need - and the individual, their families - or others they know - suffer, often with their own lives.

Need I go into suicide and family-homicide horror stories from the countless soldiers who are suffering from PTSD and *don't get help for their mental problems?*

*why* is it that whenever someone is given *medical help* in a psych-ward people ALWAYS toss around the notion that said individual is 'getting off the hook' or 'being coddled'

Have you been institutionalized? Was it fun or something?

The system FAILED to protect Fuller and the many others - I think we at least OWE Fuller *that much* help on his path to real recovery.
Aunt Spiker, other people got shot by Loughner, none of them threatened somebody who had nothing to so with the shooting. Don't you wonder if, maybe, he's using his status as "victim" to excuse his behavior? I've seen some mention here that they guy already disliked the T party. If he's pissed, I don't blame him, but he's directing it to somebody who doesn't deserve it.
 
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You're doing it again. Don't claim that people are making arguments that they are not actually making.
Where does this come from? What am I doing again?
 
You realize this is the exact same thing that people who were going "Oh I don't know, Palin puts crosshairs on this woman and says she needs to be taken out, and then someone shoots her, seems like a clear case to me."

Except that there is this sir:

A victim of the Arizona shootings who had been widely quoted in the news media as blaming the massacre on rhetoric from Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin is a known liberal activist who has previously campaigned against Beck.

The victim, James Eric Fuller, was arrested yesterday at a Tuscan town hall meeting after shouting "You're dead!" at Tucson Tea Party spokesman Trent Humphries.

He was charged with making threats, intimidation and disorderly conduct and was involuntarily committed to a psychiatric hospital for evaluation, said Pima County Sheriff's Department spokesman Jason Ogan.

Fuller, a 63 year-old disabled military veteran, was shot in the knee and back during the attack that wounded Rep. Gabrielle Giffords and left six people dead and 13 others wounded.

Following the shooting, Fuller gave an interview to the far-left Democracy NOW, in which he did not mince words at apportioning blame for the tragedy.

"It looks like Palin, Beck, Sharron Angle and the rest got their first target," Fuller said.

"Their wish for Second Amendment activism has been fulfilled – senseless hatred leading to murder, lunatic fringe anarchism, subscribed to by John Boehner, mainstream rebels with vengeance for all, even 9-year-old girls," he added, referring to the death of nine year old Christina Taylor Green.



Read more: Outraged victim was already anti-Glenn Beck activist Outraged victim was already anti-Glenn Beck activist
 
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Aunt Spiker, other people got shot by Loughner, none of them threatened somebody who had nothing to so with the shooting. Don't you wonder if, maybe, he's using his status as "victim" to excuse his behavior? I've seen some mention here that they guy already disliked the T party. If he's pissed, I don't blame him, but he's directing it to somebody who doesn't deserve it.

Not everyone responds to stress the same way.
 
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Aunt Spiker, other people got shot by Loughner, none of them threatened somebody who had nothing to so with the shooting. Don't you wonder if, maybe, he's using his status as "victim" to excuse his behavior? I've seen some mention here that they guy already disliked the T party. If he's pissed, I don't blame him, but he's directing it to somebody who doesn't deserve it.

Think about this logically:
If we just processed him like a traditonal criminal he could be bailed out while awaiting trial - Does anyone want that? The very center of this issue is that he actually threatened someone's life - and he might actually follow through with that. If he goes to court he will NOT be facing life in prison or something, you know. How long might he sit in a cell and cook? A few months? A few years? Is that going to actually mellow out his threat?

Yes - That's how everyone else's view might actually pan out if his possible mental status is ignored = him being out and about, looking for an opportunity to finish what he started.

However - If he has PTSD issues - he needs medical help so he WON'T actually follow through with his threat. If he's determined to be mentally unstable he can LEGALLY be obtained for SAFETY reasons - and he will NOT be given such quick 'out the door' access to freedom and all that many fun weapons at his disposal.

He WILL come home at some point. He will not be getting locked away for life - he WILL be out of the legal-mire at some point. When that point comes to do you want him to be sort of "normal" in the head post treatment or do you still want him to be ****ed in the head without any treatment and FREE?

As we've seen from Loughner: if you IGNORE the fact that someoen might be ****ED in the head - and you just let them wander FREE to act on their feelings they MIGHT actually follow through with their THREATS. Is that what everyone wants from Fuller? Do others actually want him to be bailed out of jail, mentally unstable and actually KILL someone?
Would that make you all feel good or something? I absolutely and most certainly don't want him to be wandering around looking for an opportunity to try to lick his wound with a .50. If he's coming back around I'd rather he be a little better off and not wrapped in thick bitterness and hatred.

My view = a higher chance that he WON'T act on his threat. It's scientifically proven.
Other people's view = a higher chance that he WILL act on his threat. It's scientifically proven.

Sorry it pisses everyone off - but that's how people work. That's how things are. IF he has a mental issue right now and he does NOT receive treatment he WILL be free WITH his ****ed up mind.
 
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Except that there is this sir:

OMG, so a guy on the left who had a long standing problem with Beck, Palin, etc felt that this was the fault of Beck, Palin, etc

My god! That is absolute proof that media pundits gave him that idea and inspired him to make death threads!

Oh wait, or maybe its possible that notion came from his own thoughts and views regarding Beck regardless of what the media stated.
 
Actually - if a victim who suffered wants to blame the party then I'm all for it . . . I never judge what someone in that situation thinks or feels and I won't hold it against them.

It's everyone else not directly affected that needs to stop the ridiculous rhetoric - but if a victim is hurt and angry then I'm not about to encourage them to *not* express that.

The shooter was a Libertarian, socialist and hardcore Atheist :doh


Yeah that's really your typical T-bager :lol:

I hope the SOB gets the maximum punishment afforded under the law just for being a dumbass.
 
The shooter was a Libertarian, socialist and hardcore Atheist :doh


Yeah that's really your typical T-bager :lol:

I hope the SOB gets the maximum punishment afforded under the law just for being a dumbass.

Sweet Jerry - read all my other posts - especially my most recent.

If he was in a therapist's office or a support group he could say whatever he wanted to. Getting angry at a victim when they're angry isn't going to diffuse the situation. that doesn't make his threat excusable - but it give precedent to intervene and sequester him for observation and clinical intervention.

But, no, I still don't think less of him - he's just struggling to deal with happened to him, that's all. If I had my way - he'd get help and get better. If everyone else had their way he'd just be a walking time bomb.

Somehow people think that him serving a little bit of jail time would FIX him - in fact - I think it would make him WORSE because not only would be blame the shooting on the Tea Party or whoever - he'd blame his prison time on them, too.
 
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It is the best evidence that the leftists are themselves biggest terrorists.

This is the best evidence that you are clueless on this issue.
 
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