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AZ shooting victim arrested for making death threats against Tea Party leader

Yeah, he's been in a bubble since the shooting.

Look, I'm not trying to defend the guy, I think he's where he should be now (taking this on Barbbtx's word from before), but you're not really making a case here.

There's nothing that ties this guy's action to the what the media has been saying. You're just speculating.
 
Yes I'm serious.
if you were injured in that way in some twisted depraved accident and blamed the damn moon and stars I wouldn't judge you for it.

It's everyone ELSE (news personalities, commentaries, etc) who are out of line - not someone who actually suffered physically for someone's insanity.

I feel bad for the living victims - and I will not hold anything against them because of this.

Except of course...he is venting hatred at the Tea Party which had NOTHING TO DO with this. So...if someone was a victim of assault by...say...a black man...then they would be justified at shouting at random black people that they wanted to kill them?
 
Media blames tea party. Guy makes threats against tea party.

Where did you connect media and guy? As far as I know, the guy didn't say he did what he did because of the media.

The same place the media connected the tea party Loughner.
The only thing is, there is no connecting the tea party to Loughner.
Fuller can be connected to the tea party. Media or not.
 
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Color me amazed. 8 days later...and we are not only STILL having this discussion but there are still people blaming Palin and the Tea PArty for an act they had nothing to do with AND justifying a 'victims' hatred of people NOT involved with his actual shooting.

Wow.
 
Media blames tea party. Guy makes threats against tea party.

Where did you connect media and guy? As far as I know, the guy didn't say he did what he did because of the media.

Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...
 
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Color me amazed. 8 days later...and we are not only STILL having this discussion but there are still people blaming Palin and the Tea PArty for an act they had nothing to do with AND justifying a 'victims' hatred of people NOT involved with his actual shooting.

Wow.

Who are those people exactly @ your first point.

To your second - you clearly didn't read Aunt Spiker's post. Noone's saying he was right in doing what he did, but there are clearly reasons behind what he did, as can be attributed to his being in the hospital now.
 
Oh sorry - didn't see your question.
By the law they did the right thing - he posed a direct threat and they responded to his actions.

But I think he's having serious issues and should be placed first and foremost in the care of a psychiatric unit for a little while. . .He needs *help* - not a trial :shrug:

I still don't look *down* on him for what he's feeling. . .do I agree with him or encourage him to act on his feelings? no - but I don't think he's a horrible person for struggling with this.

I really truly hope he pulls through and is given the care he needs. If he pulls through then maybe he'll see things with a different - more reasonable - perspective.

But then again - he might struggle with these issues his whole entire life. (I pray not, though).

I respect where you are coming from. I think the guy needs help too... and is probably emotionally unstable and angry. He might feel hopelessness and be acting out, and not be planning a murder or have it in him. I hope the guy gets help... I participate in a support group and it's mostly females, so I often wonder if men don't want to reach out for help.. you know, talking about their feelings and stuff. The guy is older and he is a disabled vet, life may feel really unfair to him in some ways because he's survived a lot already...
 
Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...

Show me proof that he did what he did because of the media's influence and I'll retract my statement.

Until then, you, like a few others here, are just speculating without any evidence.
 
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So, how long do you think it will take before the media either blames this one on conservatives, or assesses equal blame on both sides?

You all know that's what's going to happen don't you?

Stop looking for people to blame. Sh*t happens. Pointing fingers doesn't serve any productive purpose.
 
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Point out those who tried to blame the left. Not those who pointed out he seemed more left than right, but those who actually blamed the left.

Then you are trying not to connect the dots. Here lets play it out. Palin is some sort of head for the Tea Party, for whatever reason, and on her website there is a picture with a crosshair on the Congresswoman's name. The guy shoots her, therefore it is the fault of Palin and the Tea Party. Stupid logic right? Ok now, he read the Communist Manifesto. Marx wrote that and Communism leans left, therefore it is the fault of the left. Equally as stupid logic right? Both have been said by equally stupid partisan hacks. Also, you honestly think that people trying to constantly bring up what books he read and what a friend thought his political leanings were, weren't trying to pin him on the left? Really? The dude was an apolitical nut and that is about it, trying to say anything more is just partisan logic.

The media, the sheriff and even some politicians blamed the right. They took and ran with the sheriff's opinions.

Again the media got lucky that the head of the investigation was saying these things, so they had to run with it. But when the Sheriff says something about the shooting, than the media is going to report what he said and pundits are going to talk about it and make stupid ass conclusions like pundits do.

NYT refuses to retract any of the lies. They say that's up to Krugman. So until they do, many people will go on believing the lies.
I'm not blaming anyone but loughner for the shooting.

And the Times is right, they do not have to retract the Krugman story because it was an opinion article. The Times can publish their own opinion differing from Krugman, but they are under no obligation to correct what he said since it was his opinion.

I am blaming the left for everything that has happened since.

You can blame anyone you want, just like this victim can blame anyone you want. It is your freedom to do as you see fit. It doesn't make it right. Personally I am going to blame everyone who makes this into a more political circus than it already is.
 
Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...

Honestly, it probably has more to do with his mental state in where he places blame. He obviously needed mental help, and as CC said blame can be misplaced, because these people are not of rational mind. Does it excuse what he did? No. But it may offer some reasoning to why he is acting the way he did.
 
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Right...so you believe the guy just RANDOMLY decided...hmmm...I bet that guy was a influenced by the Tea Party? Like...he hasnt been interviewed a few dozen times...done TV shows...didnt bother to go to a town hall meeting...

Here's a little Krugman is an asshole humor. I think we all need it. It's just a short clip of a very funny show. I'm watching it right now and they all sound just like the people on DP talking about this subject. [video]http://dailycaller.com/2011/01/14/former-carter-pollster-pat-caddell-krugman-a-flat-out-asshole/[/video]
 
Show me proof that he did what he did because of the media's influence and I'll retract my statement.

Until then, you, like a few others here, are just speculating without any evidence.

You are correct. Since it is unlikely the hospital will permit me to interview him I will have to base my initial response on the fact that mindless ****heads have and continue to blame the Tea Party for the actions of one self important little prick that has been verified to have had no influence by said groups. And since he targeted a representative of the Tea Party that has been accused, then yes indeed...I 'presume' that he has been biased and influenced. Im making a presumption...and my presumption is as informed as yours that he has not been so influenced.

YES!!!! A tit for tat game! Your turn...go!
 
Show me proof that he did what he did because of the media's influence and I'll retract my statement.

Until then, you, like a few others here, are just speculating without any evidence.

Oh...update...here is his interview with "Democracy Now"...dateline...14 January. Thats yesterday.



Nah...he's not a moronic biased liberal. And the truth...well...yet another casualty in this whole sad ordeal.
 
You are correct. Since it is unlikely the hospital will permit me to interview him I will have to base my initial response on the fact that mindless ****heads have and continue to blame the Tea Party for the actions of one self important little prick that has been verified to have had no influence by said groups. And since he targeted a representative of the Tea Party that has been accused, then yes indeed...I 'presume' that he has been biased and influenced. Im making a presumption...and my presumption is as informed as yours that he has not been so influenced.

YES!!!! A tit for tat game! Your turn...go!

Yes, but see, I'm not making a presumption. Where did I ever say he was NOT influenced by the media? He could have been - this I freely admit. A lot of things could be. However, as there is no proof of this as of now, it is wrong of us to presume.
 
Honestly, it probably has more to do with his mental state in where he places blame. He obviously needed mental help, and as CC said blame can be misplaced, because these people are not of rational mind. Does it excuse what he did? No. But it may offer some reasoning to why he is acting the way he did.

I would buy into that notion...had I not heard his interview from yesterday.
 
Yes, but see, I'm not making a presumption. Where did I ever say he was NOT influenced by the media? He could have been - this I freely admit. A lot of things could be. However, as there is no proof of this as of now, it is wrong of us to presume.

So listen to his comments from YESTERDAY. Not only his, but the obviously slanted biased people he is being interviewed by. And then this happens today.
 
Oh...update...here is his interview with "Democracy Now"...dateline...14 January. Thats yesterday.



Nah...he's not a moronic biased liberal. And the truth...well...yet another casualty in this whole sad ordeal.


I listened to the interview. Yes, he's clearly a biased liberal. I completely agree. Right before he talks about Palin, Beck, etc., he also gives evidence he was traumatized by the event (as anyone would be).

I still fail to see what the media has to do with this. Where did they incite his death threat?
 
Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right who claimed that Loughner was a liberal. Apologies and retractions are in order from those on the right for those who are "birthers". You want me to go on? You want to focus on ONE side. ONE side didn't start or perpetuate this... no matter how badly you want/need it to be true. This goes back far further than Saturday.

Focusing on one side or the other is stupid. There are crazy people everywhere. The fact is Loughner and this guy have different backgrounds and different things have caused and played a role in their emotional states, so they can't be compared as identical except for politics.

Furthermore, I am more concerned about the safety of this president, more than any other president in my life and my feelings seem to be common. So now assassinations of political figures are a real to me... Lincoln and JFK are immortalized as tragic figures. I don't want to see a president murdered and remember where I was that time and day... It's not really a left or right thing, when somebody dies or something tragic happens in the country you need to shut your mouth and show the dead respect. You should rebuke others for being disrespectful when these tragedies strike, and there has been disrespect on BOTH sides.

What happened in AZ is a tragedy, a child was killed and this guy happens to be a victim.. Loughner and him are not the same. Also this guy has a chance to get help and I pray he does.
 
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Noodle, I see exactly what is going on. It's more demonization of the right for political gain. It's as simple as that.

If this is what you see, this is more evidence that you cannot see anything but half a story.
 
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I haven’t bothered with any of the Palin threads because I don’t like her and have no interest in what those who hate her are saying.


Looks like you are as guilty as I am when it comes to making assumptions doesn’t it?

Problem is, I've mentioned it in threads that have nothing to do about Palin... including this one. So, in an effort to prove me wrong, you have, instead, proven yourself wrong twice.
 
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Point out those who tried to blame the left. Not those who pointed out he seemed more left than right, but those who actually blamed the left.
The media, the sheriff and even some politicians blamed the right. They took and ran with the sheriff's opinions. NYT refuses to retract any of the lies. They say that's up to Krugman. So until they do, many people will go on believing the lies.
I'm not blaming anyone but loughner for the shooting.
I am blaming the left for everything that has happened since.

YOU made accusations towards the left by claiming that Loughner was a lefty. So, since you are all into retractions of lies and misinformation, how about retracting.
 
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I don't think the media blaming Palin and talk radio is silly. I think it's vicious and nothing but lies for political gain.
They were trying to use the shooting as a crisis that shouldn't be wasted.

Both sides have been saying idiotic things for political gain. You only see one side because that's all you WANT to see.

Saying that loughner was just as likely to be left as right is not a lie.

Except that's NOT what YOU have said. Are you NOW claiming that he could be either? If so, can we take that as a retraction?

When someone says he talked about the gold standard, so must be a rightwinger, I can say one of his favorite reads was the Communist Manifesto. That is not a lie and that's not placing blame on the left.

It is as much of a mischaracterization as what those on the left do. Shows you are part of the problem.

I haven't seen the right blame the left for the shooting. I've only seen them defending themselves against the lies of the left.

I have no problem with the defending. But to think that the right has not shot back idiot accusations and attacks is either you living in a hole, or you just refusing to acknowledge reality.


I disagree

Doesn't change that you are wrong.
 
I would buy into that notion...had I not heard his interview from yesterday.

The interview does not alter the accuracy of my statements about Fuller.
 
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