Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

haymarket said:

While that may be your immediate concern, I am far more concerned with the next victims of hateful violence.

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How are you going to feel, if some Left wing screwball decides to get some payback on Gabby's behalf?

apdst said:

How are you going to feel, if some Left wing screwball decides to get some payback on Gabby's behalf?

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Is that a serious question?

Do I really have choices here?

In your wildest dreams do you expect me or anyone to advocate for such a thing?

hazlnut said:

What Grim doesn't get is it's not a 'game', and it's far from over... no matter what best buddy Zach Osler says.

The far-righties must think if you repeat something enough times, it becomes true.

Don't work that way, sparky.

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Yet the left is using this tragedy for political gain what scum bags

hazlnut said:

Fault? -- I think this a good time to have a conversation about the direction of political discourse in our country. I think Sarah and Glenn are part of that conversation. I think integrity means owning up to those times when you overstepped or pushed too far...

You turn up the heat (hate) the soup will eventually boil over...

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So...yes or no, for the record.

Are you saying that "Glenn and Sarah" or "the political discourse in our country" had something to do with this man's "Boiling over"?

ptif219 said:

The left is trying to use murder for political gain. Those who defend this are as low life and despicable as the left wing politicians and media doing this

Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’ - TVNewser

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

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I'm not letting Palin off the hook until we have more proof that he didn't see her map. Just because he doesn't watch TV doesn't mean he didn't go to facebook. Just because he doesn't listen to the radio, doesn't mean he doesn't sit around all day watching Utube videos of Limbaugh and Beck. He doesn't have any books written by any rightwingers but that doesn't mean he didn't get rid of them right before he went to Safeway. So what if he doesn't watch fox on TV. I'm sure he must watch it on his computer on a daily basis.
I know he was upset with Giffords in 2007 and Palin wasn't on the scene. That doesn't mean he never met her in Alaska while she was moose hunting.
His friend is old news and can't be trusted to give the facts. Loughner was on the right and all the teabaggers know it.

Barbbtx said:

I'm not letting Palin off the hook until we have more proof that he didn't see her map. Just because he doesn't watch TV doesn't mean he didn't go to facebook. Just because he doesn't listen to the radio, doesn't mean he doesn't sit around all day watching Utube videos of Limbaugh and Beck. He doesn't have any books written by any rightwingers but that doesn't mean he didn't get rid of them right before he went to Safeway. So what if he doesn't watch fox on TV. I'm sure he must watch it on his computer on a daily basis.
I know he was upset with Giffords in 2007 and Palin wasn't on the scene. That doesn't mean he never met her in Alaska while she was moose hunting.
His friend is old news and can't be trusted to give the facts. Loughner was on the right and all the teabaggers know it.

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Usually satire involves a little humor Barb rof

ptif219 said:

The left is trying to use murder for political gain. Those who defend this are as low life and despicable as the left wing politicians and media doing this

Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’ - TVNewser

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.

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That's worthy of it's own thread, could you please make a new one?

haymarket said:

Is that a serious question?

Do I really have choices here?

In your wildest dreams do you expect me or anyone to advocate for such a thing?

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No one on the Right advocated Giffords' shooting, but you couldn't tell by what you keep saying.

A pot meet kettle moment, perhaps?

So this Zeitgeist movement was his motive?

Barbbtx said:

Loughner was on the right and all the teabaggers know it.

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I can't figure out if this entire post of yours was just bad satire or really, really sad seriousness.

haymarket said:

While that may be your immediate concern, I am far more concerned with the next victims of hateful violence.

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What do you mean by "hateful violence"?

If you mean "violence that occurs because of hate", that occurs every day in America for political and non-political reasons. Why are you just now deciding to be so vocally concerned about it?

If you mean "violence like what occurred in arizona", what makes you think that this violence was done because of hate, and most specifically political hate, since that seems to be the focus of what you're rallying against?

hazlnut said:

Fault? -- I think this a good time to have a conversation about the direction of political discourse in our country. I think Sarah and Glenn are part of that conversation. I think integrity means owning up to those times when you overstepped or pushed too far...

You turn up the heat (hate) the soup will eventually boil over...

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They are all so much more hateful than Keith Olbermann, Lawrence O'Donnell, and Ed Schultz aren't they?

I'm only half way through movie 2 but it's clear this guy is an extreme lefty. Here are some of my notes from the first 1/2 of movie #2:

Zeitgeist Addendum

Monetary system: Scam by Federal Reserve to keep us in debt and enslave the workers.
Money is lifeblood of our economic system yet that money is debt and we are all slaves to this debt/monetary system.

Federal Reserve keeps Americans in indentured servitude through debt, inflation and interest but World Bank and IMF do the same on a global scale.


Debt, submit to employment, slavery, keeping the wage slave in line, only benefiting those at the top of the pyramid, you are working for the banks and corporations that run the government.IMF and world bank = the birth of the economic hit-man.

Overthrow of Iranian dictator Mossadeq who wanted to give oil revenue to the people of Iran and replaced him with Shaw of Iran who would send those oil profits to USA

Guatemala 1954: Jacobo Arbenz Guzman (president) wanted to give the land back to the people but powers behind Gov. convinced US congress and US population that he was a soviet puppet so US took him out and replaced him with someone who did the bidding of big international corporations and banks

Ecuador 1981: Ruled for years by pro USA dictators until truly democratic president Jaime Roldos Aguilera was elected and tried to use Ecuador recourses to help the people but USA didn’t like that and assassinated him and key witnesses.

Panama 1981: Omar Torrijos couldn’t be corrupted by USA and wanted to free his people from USA exploitation and wanted to hand Panama Canal back over to the Panama people. USA assassinated him.

Venezuela 2002: Chavez elected president following a long line of corrupt presidents (USA puppets) who had destroyed the country but Chavez stood up to the USA and demanded that their oil be used to help the Venezuelan oil be used to help the people. USA staged a coup in 2002 to try and overthrow Chavez but failed.

Iraq 2003: USA couldn’t corrupt Saddam and control him like it was able to with the king of Saudi Arabia so USA destroys his military but let him live because he might come around and provide us with the oil we want from them. USA couldn’t corrupt him so they sent military in and killed him. Created lucrative deals for Halliburton

USA is an empire that enslaves the rest of the world. Corporatocracy is the emperor (IMF, World Bank, CIA, JP Morgan Chase, WTO, Federal Reserve, Exxon, Clear Channel News Corp., George W Bush, media, campaign contributions, Pharmaceutical companies, Dick Chenney)

Capitalists maximize profits regardless of the social and environmental costs. Use debt, bribery and political overthrow to create globalization.

Well people change in 2 years. When his friend was friends with him, maybe he didn't care about politics, but apparently sometime within those 2 years he changed.

apdst said:

How are you going to feel, if some Left wing screwball decides to get some payback on Gabby's behalf?

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Equally as outraged.

The beauty of our nation is that if we don't like someone we vote them out.

A friend of mine posted before this happened on Facebook: A moderate politician in Pakistan was just killed for his beliefs. Thank God we live in a country where that doesn't happen.

And then it happened.

This guy was nuts. His "politics" (for what they are) don't fit the standard definition of politics. His friends all saying that he "changed" over the past few years only goes to show that there was a psychotic break.

But it doesn't lessen the strength of the calls for us to start being more respectful in our disagreements.

GPS_Flex said:

I'm only half way through movie 2 but it's clear this guy is an extreme lefty. Here are some of my notes from the first 1/2 of movie #2:

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You have issues with identifying political views and the side they're on then. Much of what's being described in your post are things that are almost to a T describing an extreme libertarian....an individual that would be neither correctly labeled left nor right wing in and of itself. Some of the things on your list in this particular instance, such as issues with the debt/monetary system, the federal reserve, and the world bank are all clearly extreme right issues.

Solace said:

Well people change in 2 years. When his friend was friends with him, maybe he didn't care about politics, but apparently sometime within those 2 years he changed.

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Apparently based on what?

From what his "best friend" said, when you look at it as a whole, it doesn't seem to be that he's suggesting he's "not political" in the sense of that he has no political views (The fact that he says he became obsessed with Zeitgiest identifies he obviously had some political views) but more that he wasn't "political" in the common American sense of being a Democrat/Republican or somewhere between those two.

Hey look, the Zeitgeist Movement has a forum: Categories - The Zeitgeist Movement

Barbbtx said:

They are all so much more hateful than Keith Olbermann, Lawrence O'Donnell, and Ed Schultz aren't they?

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Hateful? Hard to argue for that, you can find instances when they're all doing that and its hard to say who's doing it 'more'.
Partisan? Not really. MSNBC and Fox both cater to specific audiences and what you hear from the comedians on both sides is going to be lulzy.

They don't pick these people for ****s and giggles. They hire them precisely because they're going to be partisan, because thats who their audience is, that's who they're catering to and that's how they they get ratings.

haymarket said:

Is that a serious question?

Do I really have choices here?

In your wildest dreams do you expect me or anyone to advocate for such a thing?

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If a nut is led to believe Palin, Beck, Rush, or O"Reilly are responsible for those deaths and injuries, what makes you think they wouldn't want revenge? All of them get plenty of death threats as it is. Maybe someone will make good on them. just sayin'...

Zyphlin said:

I can't figure out if this entire post of yours was just bad satire or really, really sad seriousness.

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I'm just really sick of some people saying things that stupid. I thought I'd try to beat them to it.
Sorry, it was more for my benefit than anyone else's. I should have hit cancel instead of post after it served it's purpose.

Zyphlin said:

You have issues with identifying political views and the side they're on then. Much of what's being described in your post are things that are almost to a T describing an extreme libertarian....an individual that would be neither correctly labeled left nor right wing in and of itself. Some of the things on your list in this particular instance, such as issues with the debt/monetary system, the federal reserve, and the world bank are all clearly extreme right issues.

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This isn’t Libertarian stuff and it certainly isn’t Democratic Party stuff but this is certainly extreme left wing/anarchist crap. This is an attempt to tear down your faith in our current capitalist system and replace it with something similar to communism.

You really should take the time to watch these movies.

GPS_Flex said:

This isn’t Libertarian stuff and it certainly isn’t Democratic Party stuff but this is certainly extreme left wing/anarchist crap. This is an attempt to tear down your faith in our current capitalist system and replace it with something similar to communism.

You really should take the time to watch these movies.

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Oh, these movies are very anti-American, which most Libertarians are not. Most Libertarians are patriots who think the government should be a hell of a lot smaller than it is.

Let me also clarify that I’m not trying to imply that these political views are the reason he did what he did. I’m simply trying to point out the lunacy of those who pre-ordained this guy as a Tea Party zealot. If this these movies are an indication of his political views, he was clearly off the map politically and anyone who claims Palin, Beck, Limbaugh, O’Reilly et al had anything to do with this, they are partisan hacks equivalent to the Westboro Baptist Church protesters who never let a tragic death go to waste.

GPS_Flex said:

This isn’t Libertarian stuff and it certainly isn’t Democratic Party stuff but this is certainly extreme left wing/anarchist crap. This is an attempt to tear down your faith in our current capitalist system and replace it with something similar to communism.

You really should take the time to watch these movies.

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Its extreme libertarian stuff....libertarian the political philosophy not the party. "Anarchist" in and of itself is a significantly more right-wing than left-wing ideology, some could say the EXTREMEST of right-wing (with a full on communistic/socialistic government controlled to the most finite detail society is the extremest of left-wing view points).

Seriously, I'm actually giving you specific examples that you've listed...from the federal reserve, to taxes, etc...that are decidingly more extremist right than extremist left views. You don't touch that. You dismiss the notion of some of it being extreme libertarian, which is an ideology that at its extreme ends can't be defined as left nor right in the traditional american sense, simply by referencing parties like the Democrat and Libertarian party.

It is absolutely and pathetically erronious to try and claim that this is a broadly and flatly "left wing" ideological movie nor that the individual was singularly or broadly "left wing" in any kind of commonly used sense of the word.