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Report: Arizona Gunman Was Not Motivated By Politics

This is how completely moronic and idiot this 'Report' from Fox 'News' is...

Jared Loughner shot a Politician in the head! It's POLITICAL.

Jared Loughner called his act an assassination! It'a POLITICAL.

You can circle the wagons and play dumb, but the rest of us see the pattern:

We see a pattern all right, let's start with your first lie:
Scott Roeder
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Arrest of murder suspect



The mug shot of Scott Roeder, jailed from July 11, 1997 to March 26, 1998 for violating parole on a 1996 conviction for having bomb components in his car trunk.[20]
Scott Philip Roeder, 51, of Merriam, Kansas,[21] was arrested in Gardner, Kansas, some 170 miles away in suburban Kansas City three hours after the shooting.[22][23] He was charged on June 2, 2009, with first-degree murder and two counts of aggravated assault.[24][25][26] Roeder was formally charged before a Sedgwick County district judge on June 2. He said very little during the hearing, where he asked for a public defender and did not enter a plea.
Prosecutors said the killing did not meet Kansas's standards for capital murder, which would have carried a possible death penalty.[27][28] Prior to the shooting, Roeder was not among the people monitored as potential threats by some abortion rights groups, including the state chapter of the National Organization for Women.[27] However, it has been reported that neither the FBI nor local police arrested him in the days leading up to the murder despite reports and evidence offered to both that he vandalized a women's clinic the week before and the day before.[29]
In a telephone call from prison, Roeder confessed to the press that he had shot and killed Tiller, and declared that he felt no remorse.[30]
[edit]Roeder's background
[edit]Known employment and psychiatric histories
In the six months before Roeder's arrest, he said he had worked for an airport shuttle service, a party-rental shop, a convenience store and a property management enterprise.[31]
After his arrest, Roeder's ex-wife, Lindsey Roeder, claimed that Roeder had been suffering from mental illness and that about the age of 20 he was diagnosed with possible schizophrenia, but she offered her own diagnosis of bipolar disorder.[32] Roeder claimed to be the father of a young child and asked for time for visitation but the mother of that child did not wish such visitation.[32] The 2005 Pennsylvania family court which ruled on Roeder's custody petition regarding a daughter born in 2002 took formal notice that Roeder had been diagnosed with possible schizophrenia and was not on medication.[33]
The Associated Press quoted Roeder's brother, David, who said that Scott had suffered from mental illness from time to time:
“ However, none of us ever saw Scott as a person capable of or willing to take another person’s life. Our deepest regrets, prayers and sympathy go out to the Tiller family during this terrible time.[33] ”
[edit]Anti-government activism
Scott Roeder had been a member of the anti-government Montana Freemen group. He was stopped in Topeka, Kansas, in April 1996 while displaying a placard reading "Sovereign Citizen" in lieu of a license plate. He had no driver's license, vehicle registration or proof of insurance. Police officers searching his car discovered explosives charges, a fuse cord, a pound of gunpowder and nine-volt batteries in the trunk. He was charged, represented by a public defender, convicted in June of all four counts and sentenced to 24 months probation. In July 1997 his probation was revoked for failure to pay taxes and provide his social security number to his employer as well as other probation violations. He was sentenced to 16 months in prison to be followed by 24 months parole supervision. He filed notice of appeal and was represented by a state-funded appellate attorney who challenged the basis of the original search that found the bomb components. The Kansas Court of Appeals overturned this conviction in March 1998, ruling that the search of Roeder's car had been illegal and remanded the case to the trial court. Roeder was released after serving only eight months.[34][35][36][37][38]
According to the Anti-Defamation League (ADL), Roeder belonged to an a group called the Sovereign Citizen Movement, which believes that virtually all existing government in the United States is illegitimate.[citation needed] The ADL's National Director Abraham Foxman stated that "Roeder's attachment to extreme causes extended beyond anti-abortion extremism. His extremism cross-pollinated between anti-government extremism and anti-abortion activism and led to violence and murder." [39][40]
After being charged with murder, a delusional Roeder frequently called an Associated Press reporter from the county jail. He complained about his having been characterized in other media as having been anti-government. Roeder told the reporter, "I want people to stop and think: It is not anti-government, it is anti-corrupt-government."[41]
[edit]Lindsey Roeder statements
Lindsey and Scott Roeder were married in 1986, and were together for 10 years.[32] Immediately after his 2009 arrest, she stated that the explosives which led to his 1996 arrest had been intended for detonation at an abortion clinic.[42]
On June 2, 2009, Lindsey Roeder gave an interview to Anderson Cooper of CNN about when and why her husband became radicalized:
“ It was about 1991-92 when he basically couldn't cope with everyday life. He couldn't make ends meet, he couldn't pay the bills and didn't know why he couldn't do that. And someone told him that if he didn't pay his federal taxes, if those taxes were left in his check, he could make ends meet. And then he started investigating that and someone told him that it wasn't ratified properly in the Constitution, that it was illegal. And he went from there and got into the anti-government, got into the militia, got into the Freeman, and along those lines anti-abortion issues came up and he started becoming very religious in the sense that he finally — he was reading the Bible. But then, after we were divorced, his religion took on a whole new right wing of itself.[32] ”
[edit]Anti-abortion militancy
David Leach, publisher of Prayer & Action News, a magazine that opines that the killing of abortion providers would be justifiable homicide, told reporters that he and Roeder had met once in the late 1990s and that Roeder at that time had authored contributions to Leach's publication.[43][44][45] Leach published the Army of God manual, which advocates the killing of the providers of abortion and contains bomb-making instructions, in the January 1996 issue of his magazine.[46] A Kansas acquaintance of Roeder's, Regina Dinwiddie, told a reporter after Tiller's murder (speaking of Roeder), "I know that he believed in justifiable homicide." Dinwiddie, an anti-abortion militant featured in the 2000 HBO documentary Soldiers in the Army of God, added that she had observed Roeder in 1996 enter Kansas City Planned Parenthood's abortion clinic and ask to talk to the physician there; after staring at him for nearly a minute, Roeder said, "I’ve seen you now," before turning and walking away.[47]
Roeder's former roommate of two years, Eddie Ebecher, who had met Roeder through the Freemen movement in the 1990s, told a reporter after Tiller's murder that he and Roeder had considered themselves members of the Army of God. Ebecher said Roeder was obsessed with Tiller and discussed killing him, but that Ebecher warned him not to do so. Ebecher, who went by the nom de guerre "Wolfgang Anacon," added that he believed Roeder held "high moral convictions in order to carry out this act. I feel that Scott had a burden for all the children being murdered."[48]
In 2007, someone who identified himself as Scott Roeder posted on the website of the anti-abortion group Operation Rescue that, "Tiller is the concentration camp 'Mengele' of our day and needs to be stopped before he and those who protect him bring judgment upon our nation." This was reported by the ADL's Center on Extremism, noting that Roeder called for "the closing of his death camp."[39][40] After Tiller's murder, officials from Operation Rescue, which had long opposed Tiller's abortion practices but denounced his shooting, said Roeder was not a contributor or member of the group.[27] The phone number for Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor, Cheryl Sullenger, was found on the dashboard of Scott Roeder's car.[49] At first, Operation Rescue's senior policy advisor Cheryl Sullenger denied any contact with Roeder, saying that her phone number is freely available online. Then, she revised her statements, indicating that Roeder’s interest was in court hearings involving Tiller.
“ He would call and say, 'When does court start? When’s the next hearing?' I was polite enough to give him the information. I had no reason not to. Who knew? Who knew, you know what I mean?[21] ”
Roeder reportedly attended the 2009 trial in which Tiller was acquitted of violating state abortion laws; Roeder called the trial "a sham" and felt the justice system failed in letting Tiller go free. On May 30, one day before Tiller was killed, a worker at a Kansas City clinic told the Federal Bureau of Investigation that Roeder had tried gluing the locks of the clinic shut, something Roeder was suspected of doing there before years earlier.[27] The Kansas City Star reported that a man of Roeder's description had glued the locks shut at the Central Family Medicine clinic in Kansas City on May 23 and May 30.[21]
Assassination of George Tiller - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Looks like a nutter with mental problems. Hmm, trend here folks?
 
CONT'D

Byron Williams - motivated by Beck to go after the Tides foundation.
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Examiner.com exclusive: Freeway gunman Byron Williams says Glenn Beck did not incite him to violence (Part one of two)
Did Fox talk show host Glenn Beck and the right-wing media push the I-580 gunman, Byron Williams, to violence? No, says Williams in an exclusive jailhouse interview with the Examiner.com. He also said he felt forced to act out in violence because Beck and others in the right wing media were not fighting hard enough against organizations like the left-leaning Tides Foundation.

Williams, 45, engaged the California Highway Patrol in a fierce gun battle in Oakland, California, early Sunday morning, July 18. He was wearing body armor and survived with non-life-threatening injuries. Two officers had minor injuries. Williams said that he was on his way to the Tides Foundation, a San Francisco-based organization that pledges to support "economic justice" and "positive social change." He said he was unhappy with the direction the Obama administration has taken the country and vowed to kill 11 people at the foundation, and possibly more after that.

Tides is citing the Williams case on its Web site. It is using a video by Media Matters for America that shows Beck denouncing the Tides Foundation interspersed with media coverage of the I-580 shootout. (That video is posted on the left.)
Tides created a "Civil Discourse Fund." after the I-580 shooting and is using the case to help raise money for the fund.

Referencing the shooting, Tides says, "This recent incident is just the latest reminder of the intolerant climate that has been created by the demagogues and fear mongering pundits of the right-wing. To ensure that Tides can respond to other moments, we are launching the Tides Civil Discourse Fund."

An article about the shooting and Glenn Beck also was published on the Media Matters web site and Salon.com. Many have suggested that Williams got the idea to target Tides because of Glenn Beck. Williams addressed that question in an exclusive jailhouse interview with the Examiner.com. Click here for an audio excerpt of the interview.

When asked directly if he knew about the Tides Foundation before Beck mentioned it, Williams replied, “Yes, I already had all that information that he used on one or two of his programs. I already knew all of that stuff. And to me it was more of a confirmation of what I already knew. “

When asked if it hadn’t been for Glenn Beck and Fox News, whether he still would have planned violence, Williams said that it was because Fox News didn’t do enough to pursue the political left that he became frustrated and felt like violence was the only answer.


Continue reading on Examiner.com: Freeway gunman Byron Williams says Glenn Beck did not incite him to violence - San Francisco | Examiner.com Freeway gunman Byron Williams says Glenn Beck did not incite him to violence - San Francisco | Examiner.com
You really should stop reading Media Matters, makes you look... uneducated.
Jim Attkinson - went after liberal at a church after reading Hannity books
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We can see why Bernie Goldberg's book was an inspiration to the Knoxville church gunman | Crooks and Liars

Heavily biased does give you half an ounce of credence, they guy openly admits he was into Goldburg, Orielly and others. He was also wrong in taking their complaints and turning it into murder.
The GOP/TP has to deal with this if they want to be taken seriously in 2012.
The only way the GOP/TP could get your favor would be to all become good little socialists.
 
This is how completely moronic and idiot this 'Report' from Fox 'News' is...

Wake up!!!!

The interview with the guys former best friend was conducted by ABC News...

Don't you get it? You and your side lose. Why don't you take your lumps like a man and move on to your next phony attack.
 
Responsibility for what? A complete nutter that was inspired by lunatic fringe stuff like the Zeitgeist movie and other demented crap all stewing in that twisted little mind of his?

Wow, Fox news is doing an excellent of making sure you only get the part of the story that compliments their preconceived narrative.

Yeah, I dont' think anyone, right or left has any responsibility for this, he alone, in his demented state, takes the blame.

Sadly, if he is found insane, he won't take the blame.
 
Wake up!!!!

The interview with the guys former best friend was conducted by ABC News...

Stop playing dumb, the spin was all Fox.

Don't you get it? You and your side lose. Why don't you take your lumps like a man and move on to your next phony attack.

No, buddy, we all lose if we don't have this conversation soon... Sadly, the GOP can't let that happen.
 
The left is trying to use murder for political gain. Those who defend this are as low life and despicable as the left wing politicians and media doing this

Jared Loughner’s friend says suspect ‘Did not watch TV … disliked the news’ - TVNewser

Osler says his friend wasn’t shooting at people, “he was shooting at the world.” Regarding the high-pitched talk radio and cable news political rhetoric, Osler says his friend didn’t even watch the news.

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right.
 
So, wonder if those folks that were trying to blame Palin's facebook page, or Rush's "rhetoric" will man up and say "Okay okay, he was just plain nutz, I was wrong"


Something tells me not a one of them will post here.

No, that movie is Palin's fault, as well...haha
 
There are 3 Zeitgeist movies: The first, “Zeitgeist: The Movie” was released in 2007, the second, “Zeitgeist Addendum” was released in 2008 and the third, “Zeitgeist Moving Forward” was just released this month.

I watched the first one (and took some notes) and I’m about 25 minutes into the second one but I needed a bit of a break so I’ll try to shortly summarize the first movie.

It starts out with “Part I” which is basically a lame attempt to discredit religion and make the point that religion is simply a means of controlling people and that Christianity & Judaism are just copies of the Egyptian’s religion and that the bible is simply an “astrotheological literary hybrid”.


Part II begins as a 9/11 truther series that claims 9/11 was actually perpetrated by the US government. It defines terrorism as “Technique used by governments to manipulate public opinion in order to further agenda”. Part II also claims that the following were perpetrated by the government, as well as countless others: Oklahoma City bombing, Pan Am Flight 103, first World Trade Center bombing, Madrid subway bombings, 2005 London trains & bus bombings and even Pearl Harbor.

Part III covers several ideas but is based upon the overriding theme that we are all slaves to rich bankers who control the government (government behind the government). These bankers control the Federal Reserve and use war as a profit making business and a means of retaining their power. It’s chock full of conspiratorial nonsense that tries to prove that WWI, WWII, Vietnam, 9/11 and Iraq/Afghanistan was were all perpetrated by power hungry bankers who want the Middle East oil etc.


It also claims that the education system was taken over by the government and is failing so miserably because these bankers don’t want us or our children to be smart enough to figure out what they are up to.

It attacks the media (Fox News and Rupert Murdoch almost exclusively) as another tool these people use to control us. It also accuses these bankers, who control all of us, as having an ultimate goal of having everybody in the world implanted with an RFID chip that contains all their personal and bank info etc. so that they can further consolidate their power over us.

The last 5 minutes of the first 2 hr movie talk about a new consciousness and says [in spite of all the depressing stuff we just showed you] “However, if people ever realize the truth of their relationship to nature and the truth of their personal power to affect change, the entire manufactured zeitgeist that’s preyed upon would collapse like a house of cards…. The Revolution is now”

It’s pretty disturbing and really answers a lot of questions about his You Tube videos and the like.

The second movie, thus far, is about the monetary system and how we are all slaves to the rich etc.
 
Stop playing dumb, the spin was all Fox.

Maybe you missed the money quote, which I took directly from the ABC interview:

He did not watch TV. He disliked the news. He didn’t listen to political radio. He didn’t take sides. He wasn’t on the left. He wasn’t on the right."

Zach Osler,
Jared Loughner's best friend


GAME OVER!



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Something tells me you didn't read the article. Neither did the OP.

Go Fox News!! Spin, spin, spin...

For you Hazl, since you like picking them so much

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So you ignore the youtube videos, ignore the best friend from only two years ago, ignore the various friends who've suggested how he's acted recently and in the past....

And latch onto what....? A poster that has no proof he's ever seen or cared about? A radio personality that has no proof he's ever listened to or cared about? A movement that has no proof he's ever been an active member of or cared about?

Wow...wonderful job. You're absolutely right, why can't we just see the facts as clearly as you do.

:roll:
 
Something tells me you didn't read the article. Neither did the OP.

Go Fox News!! Spin, spin, spin...

Something tells me you don't know what you're talking about and that you are one of those Westboro Baptist Church protester types who uses the tragic deaths of Americans for political gain.

Once again your assumptions are incorrect.
 
Lol it's funny to watch people argue that Zeitgeist is a 'lefty' movie. It argues against the Federal Reserve, Income Tax and a North American Union etc. It also screams that they're all part of a NWO. A typical far right talking point.

Have any of you ever actually watched Zeitgeist? It spends 1 third of the movie making the point that 'illegal' income tax is how we're all being controlled.

The OP is a cultural failure.
 
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Wow, Fox news is doing an excellent of making sure you only get the part of the story that compliments their preconceived narrative.



Sadly, if he is found insane, he won't take the blame.

Wrong again Hazel. Check into Arizona law.
 
Lol it's funny to watch people argue that Zeitgeist is a 'lefty' movie. It argues against the Federal Reserve, Income Tax and a North American Union etc. It also screams that they're all part of a NWO. A typical far right talking point.

Have any of you ever actually watched Zeitgeist? It spends 1 third of the movie making the point that 'illegal' income tax is how we're all being controlled.

The OP is a cultural failure.

It isn't "a movie" it is a leftist/anarchist movement. Besides, if you had done your homework or even read my follow-up post, you would know that they have released 3 movies so far.
 
Lol it's funny to watch people argue that Zeitgeist is a 'lefty' movie. It argues against the Federal Reserve, Income Tax and a North American Union etc. It also screams that they're all part of a NWO. A typical far right talking point.

Have any of you ever actually watched Zeitgeist? It spends 1 third of the movie making the point that 'illegal' income tax is how we're all being controlled.

The OP is a cultural failure.

You realize that when taken as a whole, not cherry picked, Zeitgeist and the ideology it pushes is very similar to what's being discussed in the Nazi thread and actually falls right in line with the type of thing I've been saying about this guy the entire time. Namely, that to try and place a legitimate and realistic "Left" or "Right" ideology upon it...in the vein of traditional American Left/Right...is impossible and does a disservice to either through gross misrepresentation if you label it as such. It features extreme views from a variety of locations upon the political spectrum, much like he did, many of which are disowned by the vast majority of either side of the political spectrum here in America.

People suggesting Zeitgeist is some ridiculously "leftist" movie are horribly misrepresenting it, as are people that are suggesting its a "far right" movie either. The best description of it in this thread has been quasi-communist anarchist, as it at least acknowledges extreme notions from both sides in its description. Rejecting Christianity is hardly something you'd find someone claiming is "Far right" regularly. Those believing the government/bush orchestrated or allowed 9/11 to happen to allow for the War on Terror is something routinely found on the far left more so than on the far right. The issue with the fear of NAFTA bringing about a one world government, the federal reserve, and the illegality of the income tax are Far Right issues. On the flip side, the issues with RFID tracking is something that both sides extremes have issues with.

Seriously...trying to paint this as either "far left" or "far right" is misguided. Just like the man himself, as I have been arguing, is most likely identifiable by no normal american definition of "Right/left", neither is that movie. It, and he, is a mixture of extremes from both ends of the spectrum, as likely to detest Barack Obama or Sarah Palin as he was to dislike a blue dog like the congresswoman.
 
It isn't "a movie" it is a leftist/anarchist movement. Besides, if you had done your homework or even read my follow-up post, you would know that they have released 3 movies so far.

However, the OP's article specifically was referencing "Zeitgeist: The Movie" which is an extreme ideological movie that can not accurately or honestly be claimed as "left wing" nor "right wing". Anarchist itself doesn't even really fit it as it does not seem to be arguing for no government, but against issues with regards to our specific government.
 
However, the OP's article specifically was referencing "Zeitgeist: The Movie" which is an extreme ideological movie that can not accurately or honestly be claimed as "left wing" nor "right wing". Anarchist itself doesn't even really fit it as it does not seem to be arguing for no government, but against issues with regards to our specific government.

When you say "OP" you mean "original post" right?
 
Original post or poster....so in the original posts article or the original poster's (your) article
 
GAME OVER!

What Grim doesn't get is it's not a 'game', and it's far from over... no matter what best buddy Zach Osler says.

The far-righties must think if you repeat something enough times, it becomes true.

Don't work that way, sparky.
 
What Grim doesn't get is it's not a 'game', and it's far from over... no matter what best buddy Zach Osler says.

The far-righties must think if you repeat something enough times, it becomes true.

Don't work that way, sparky.

You honestly think this is the far rights fault? :coffeepap
 
You honestly think this is the far rights fault? :coffeepap

Fault? -- I think this a good time to have a conversation about the direction of political discourse in our country. I think Sarah and Glenn are part of that conversation. I think integrity means owning up to those times when you overstepped or pushed too far...

You turn up the heat (hate) the soup will eventually boil over...
 
Why not just ask the man what motivated him? For **** sake this guessing game has gone on for far too long.
 
What Grim doesn't get is it's not a 'game', and it's far from over...

It's a game alright... A sick game that's being played by liberals in the media, democrats in Washington and the sheep on the internet who defend their despicable and dishonest politicizing of that tragedy.

You are correct though, It's far from over... I am extremely confident that the left will continue to lie their asses off and do what ever deplorable thing they have to, to try and regain their political power. Since they have resorted to blaming Palin, the Tea Party, Limbaugh, Beck, Levin and even Michelle Bachman for the killing spree last weekend in Tucson, it's scary to imagine what their next despicable stunt will involve.
 
It's a game alright... A sick game that's being played by liberals in the media, democrats in Washington and the sheep on the internet who defend their despicable and dishonest politicizing of that tragedy.

You are correct though, It's far from over... I am extremely confident that the left will continue to lie their asses off and do what ever deplorable thing they have to, to try and regain their political power. Since they have resorted to blaming Palin, the Tea Party, Limbaugh, Beck, Levin and even Michelle Bachman for the killing spree last weekend in Tucson, it's scary to imagine what their next despicable stunt will involve.

While that may be your immediate concern, I am far more concerned with the next victims of hateful violence.
 
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