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Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

I never claimed the rapist was "guilt free", if he was guilt free I wouldn't have put a 1911 to his head, but when I told you that I "stopped him", you chose instead to make up a lie about me and once again when you get embarrassed you make your snippy little personal attacks.

Nothing had anything to do with you. I clearly stated your comparison doesn't work.


bro, you give obama a pass as "disappointing" and Bush is an "idiot" because you simply a partisan hack. Simple as that.

Wrong again. The difference in how I see them is the difference in what they have done. And this has been explained.

And don't ask me about trials here, your Obama has accepted Military tribunals..... I know... it's "disapointing" and bush is a "War criminal". :roll:

Again, I ask that you be honest and accurate. Was this is first choice? Did he not try to move towards trying these people?
 
Nothing had anything to do with you. I clearly stated your comparison doesn't work.

Backpedaling your dishonesty now?



Wrong again. The difference in how I see them is the difference in what they have done. And this has been explained.


"D" vs "R" is the only stipulation for you,


Again, I ask that you be honest and accurate. Was this is first choice? Did he not try to move towards trying these people?


I am the honest one in this conversation as I don't have a horse in this race. you excuse Obama for everything you stand against. It's pathetic and sad to watch, seriously...

Obama paid lip service, then continued bush's policies, you, close your eyes to this fact to excuse the behavior of your president.

So either he is a failure or a liar, either way the things you pretend to abhor are still happening.
 
Again, how does this excuse Bush

he doesn't need excusing, he did the RIGHT THING

ask KERRY and DIFI and BOXER...

If you do horrible things, you're horrible. If you do stupid things, you're stupid. If you do illegal things, you're a criminal.


why, that's a horrible thing to say about john f kerry

he woulda been president, everyone knows, if it weren't for OHIO

LOL!
 
Too many lack courage when Bush overstepped his bountries

We have signed and radified agreements with the UN

the Lybian people

your saying the rapist is guilt free because the by stander didn't act

this is hardly equal to rape for either

Obama is left with a dilema

let's not forget that Bush had people arrest and didn't have the evidence

dept chair, huh?

LOL!
 
Backpedaling your dishonesty now?

You are hard to follow. I have no idea what you're talking about.



"D" vs "R" is the only stipulation for you,

Like I said, that makes it easy for you. It's a weak cop out that allows you to avoid thought. I got that.



I am the honest one in this conversation as I don't have a horse in this race. you excuse Obama for everything you stand against. It's pathetic and sad to watch, seriously...

Obama paid lip service, then continued bush's policies, you, close your eyes to this fact to excuse the behavior of your president.

So either he is a failure or a liar, either way the things you pretend to abhor are still happening.

Tell yourself whatever you have to, but know. Whenever you treat unequal things as if they were equal, you're not honest.
 
absolutely

kerry, difi, webb, inouye, FEINGOLD, carper, boxer, mccaskill, nelson, nelson, conrad, bingaman, baucus, warner, REID, udall, udall, akaka, stabenow, kohl, klobuchar, MENENDEZ, SCHUMER, franken, WYDEN, ROCKEFELLER, lautenberg, shaheen, mikulski, murray, cantwell, byrd...

why, they're just not HONEST

LOL!

must be that moral compass thing, again

and the fact obama is not a KING
 
he doesn't need excusing, he did the RIGHT THING

ask KERRY and DIFI and BOXER...

why, that's a horrible thing to say about john f kerry

he woulda been president, everyone knows, if it weren't for OHIO

LOL!

Every time this comes up they conveeeeeniently ignore the fact that not only did the Chosen One NOT shut down GITMO and endorse military tribunals, he also has refused to offer constitutional protections, increased snatch and grab black-ops in more countries throughout the world, and manages black-ops prisons in other countries. So...apparently President Obama grew up from candidate obama, while the mindless ideologues on the left...well...havent. for them its still Bush Bad, Obama...awesome!!!
 
yes, obama extended the PATRIOT ACT

he continued RENDITION and DETENTION

he chickened out on PROSECUTING THE CIA

his heart's in the right place (from the uber left perspective)

it's just that he HAS NO IDEA HOW TO BE PRESIDENT

at least not in america

remember when he fantasized about being boss of CHINA?

LOL!
 
Every time this comes up they conveeeeeniently ignore the fact that not only did the Chosen One NOT shut down GITMO and endorse military tribunals, he also has refused to offer constitutional protections, increased snatch and grab black-ops in more countries throughout the world, and manages black-ops prisons in other countries. So...apparently President Obama grew up from candidate obama, while the mindless ideologues on the left...well...havent. for them its still Bush Bad, Obama...awesome!!!

You misread. It's bad for both of them. But they are not equal. Bush created a mess that cannot easily be pushed aside. Nor can you remove the congressional cowardance and fear mongering. All anyone has asked is that your side be honest.
 
your side---LOL!

in this case, "your side" includes EVERY republican in congress, A HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR democrats downstairs and FIFTY dems in the senate

that'd be pretty much every ELECTED democrat in the country

except poor barry obama who just doesn't know how this country works

why, that's an awful lot of congressional COWARDANCE on display, no?

LOL!
 
your side---LOL!

in this case, "your side" includes EVERY republican in congress, A HUNDRED AND FORTY FOUR democrats downstairs and FIFTY dems in the senate

that'd be pretty much every ELECTED democrat in the country

except poor barry obama who just doesn't know how this country works

why, that's an awful lot of congressional COWARDANCE on display, no?

LOL!

You guys divide into parties, not me. :coffeepap
 
You misread. It's bad for both of them. But they are not equal. Bush created a mess that cannot easily be pushed aside. Nor can you remove the congressional cowardance and fear mongering. All anyone has asked is that your side be honest.

Nah...its worse because while Bush did what he believed was and is the right thing and is unapologetic about it, your demogod spoke against it before he not only accepted it but expanded it...and that is dwarfed by YOUR continued hypocritcal insistence that Bush still bad and evil but Obama just a poor pawn in the game of life. You continue to blame Obamas current decisions to deny constitutional rights to terrorists and expand black-ops snatch and grabs on Bush. Face it...you are a hack. Your mindless hatred of bush ignores the reality that Obama has recognized and learned from. Obama embraced reality, not because he was stuck, but because as president he cant just continue to make pretty campaign speeches to doe-eyed mindless minions...he has to actually fight against people that would do the country harm.
 
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Nah...its worse because while Bush did what he believed was and is the right thing and is unapologetic about it, your demogod spoke against it before he not only accepted it but expanded it...and thats dwarfed by your continued hypocrtical insistence that Bush still bad but not only is Obama just a poor pawn in the game of life but you continue to blame Obamas current decisions to deny constitutional rights to terrorists and expand black-ops snatch and grabs. Face it...you are a hack. Your mindless hatred of bush ignores the reality that Obama has recognized and learned from. Obama embraced reality, not because he was stuck, but because as president he cant just continue to make pretty campaign speeches to doe-eyed mindless minions...he has to actually fight against people that would do the country harm.

It doesn't matter what he believed. He could fully believe breaking the law was right, but it would not make it right. Many an immoral person fail to see their own immorality. He condone torture, violated the law more than once, and invaded a country without legal or moral cause, bringing death and misery to many. It doesn't matter what he thought. He was wrong.
 
It doesn't matter what he believed. He could fully believe breaking the law was right, but it would not make it right. Many an immoral person fail to see their own immorality. He condone torture, violated the law more than once, and invaded a country without legal or moral cause, bringing death and misery to many. It doesn't matter what he thought. He was wrong.

You dont get to be the arbiter of right and wrong and your moral high ground is kinda demolished by your continued and insistent defense of Obama. Sorry dude...you just plain ol look silly. Again. Still.
 
You guys divide into parties, not me.

LOL!

kerry and reid and rockefeller and the other 57 and the 75% of dems in pelosi's caucus and EVERY elected republican in dc...

that's not division, silly

it's consensus

why did obama continue the PATRIOT ACT, DETENTION, RENDITION...

why did he DROP his PROSECUTION of the low levelers at langley...

ask SCHUMER

ask I WANNA WAIVER weiner

they KNOW something barack hussein doesn't

what an idiot

obama, i mean
 
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You are hard to follow.

so are the ny times, the globe, the hill, bloomberg, the asa, cbo's website, hhs' homepage...

LOL!

I have no idea what you're talking about.

we've noticed

hey, you can always LINK to the WHITE HOUSE

LOL!
 
You dont get to be the arbiter of right and wrong and your moral high ground is kinda demolished by your continued and insistent defense of Obama. Sorry dude...you just plain ol look silly. Again. Still.

Please, get started. Tell me torture is the moral thing to do. Tell me to invade without just cause is the moral thing to do. And if you listen, I critize Obama. The only difference is I don't pretend unequal things are equal.
 
Please, get started. Tell me torture is the moral thing to do. Tell me to invade without just cause is the moral thing to do. And if you listen, I critize Obama. The only difference is I don't pretend unequal things are equal.



Democrats are more equal than Republicans, We know. :roll:
 
Democrats are more equal than Republicans, We know. :roll:

No. I see little to no difference, once you remove the Bush administration, which was far more reckless and immoral than either party on the whole.
 
No. I see little to no difference, once you remove the Bush administration, which was far more reckless and immoral than either party on the whole.

GITMO closed yet?

How about them domestic civilian trials?



:ssst:
 
GITMO closed yet?

How about them domestic civilian trials?



:ssst:

Again, do the facts as to why matter? Just asking. Wouldn't it be dishonest to suggest there is nothing in his way?
 
REALITY is in his way

as well as his astonishing incompetence
 
Please, get started. Tell me torture is the moral thing to do. Tell me to invade without just cause is the moral thing to do. And if you listen, I critize Obama. The only difference is I don't pretend unequal things are equal.

Morality is a wonderful construct discussed by people that have never had to lift a finger to defend themselves or the country. Morality is wonderful to talk about while other people are being asked to (and in some cases ordered to) take extraordinary measures to secure a nation against people that chant happily their praises to their God while they saw off the heads of 12 year old children. Morality is a wonderful thing...provided you dont have to actually do anything. You speak about this **** like you have a clue about it. Thats why defense of the country is left to people that actually are willing to fight and do what is needed. Thats why chicken****s like you arent in that position. thats why people like candidate Obama can sing you pretty songs and rock you to sleep. Thats why President Obama had to open his eyes wide and step into the real world. Thats why President Obama has reneged on his camapign promises.

That DOESNT expalin why people like you dont express the same outrage towards President Obama as you do towards President Bush. Mindless blind political ideology and hypocrisy expalins that.
 
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GITMO closed yet?

How about them domestic civilian trials?
:ssst:
And not a word about changing his mind and denying the poor dears their constitutional rights...or increasing the black-ops snatch and grabs in foreign lands. Or the increased use of Club GITMO east, otherwise known as Bagram Air Base Afghanistan.
 
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