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Obama, In A Blow To Closing Guantanamo, Signs Law

Boo, if you walk in on a rape in progress and then stay..... You are no hetter than the rapist....


Thats the logic you want me to accept.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Boo, if you walk in on a rape in progress and then stay..... You are no hetter than the rapist....


Thats the logic you want me to accept.
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Only an idiot would think that is my logic.

this isn't equal to rape and the president is not a king or a dictator. He can't act alone, without congress. it is dishonest to make the comparison you just tried to make.
 
Boo Radley said:
Only an idiot would think that is my logic.
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My my my.... Testy today, boo? Did I hit a nerve?


this isn't equal to rape and the president is not a king or a dictator. He can't act alone, without congress. it is dishonest to make the comparison you just tried to make.
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Executive order.


Calling me dishonest just makes you look desparate in your attempts to shield your man from critisizm.
 
Grant said:
You mean that the Republicans misinformed the Democratic majority in both Houses? And made them afraid?

Maybe you judge the Democrats too harshly.

But only just.


It is not up to the Republican Party to honor the campaign promises of B. Obama. How could they be much pf a 'road block' when they were in the minority? By signing that agreement under discussion it seems he is actively not working at keeping his promise. Or is that just a smokescreen?
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No. While not quite as dishoenst as Rev, we all know that public opinion weighs on congress critters, of all parties, and that scaring the public scares copngressmen.

And no one said the republican party had to honor Obama's promises. but that doesn't mean they don't factor into what has happened. They are part of the forces that are blocking efforts. You can't divoce them from that. You may promise to win a race. I don't want you to win, so I tie your feet together. I can't then say I'm not resonsibile because I didn't promise you'd win the race. I still tied you up.

The fact is congress, bot democrats and republicna, have been a hinderence. That is simply fact. And you can't remove their role in this.
 
Boo Radley said:
No. While not quite as dishoenst as Rev, we all know that public opinion weighs on congress critters, of all parties, and that scaring the public scares copngressmen.
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The only "dishonest" one here is you hero. You give your guy a pass for continuing the policies of the previous admisitration which you believe should be held for war crimes....

there is a thread asking what is a "partisan hack"..... I'll just leave it as that.


And no one said the republican party had to honor Obama's promises. but that doesn't mean they don't factor into what has happened. They are part of the forces that are blocking efforts. You can't divoce them from that. You may promise to win a race. I don't want you to win, so I tie your feet together. I can't then say I'm not resonsibile because I didn't promise you'd win the race. I still tied you up.

The fact is congress, bot democrats and republicna, have been a hinderence. That is simply fact. And you can't remove their role in this.
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But we have to make excuses for Obama continuing the policies of the man you hate.....
 
The political rhetoric concerning closing Gitmo was all about securing a big gesture to embarass Bush. It completely ignored reality.
 
Boo Radley said:
No. While not quite as dishoenst as Rev, we all know that public opinion weighs on congress critters, of all parties, and that scaring the public scares copngressmen.

And no one said the republican party had to honor Obama's promises. but that doesn't mean they don't factor into what has happened. They are part of the forces that are blocking efforts. You can't divoce them from that. You may promise to win a race. I don't want you to win, so I tie your feet together. I can't then say I'm not resonsibile because I didn't promise you'd win the race. I still tied you up.

The fact is congress, bot democrats and republicna, have been a hinderence. That is simply fact. And you can't remove their role in this.
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Boo,

Why do you defend the indefensible? Obama could have honored his solemn promise easily if he was prepared to take the political heat. Obama can act unilaterally to release these detainees to Yemen. Yemen would take the misfortunate detainees. Only Obama is keeping them penned like animals. This is the man you support. Your support makes continued imprisonment possible.
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
where did all you folks go?

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It's amazing how time changes everything...... :lamo
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Thats because it was all about trying to get Bush. Grant it if it was Gore or Kerry in office running two wars then most of the anti-war rhetotirc would have came from republicans
 
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I see this as another example of what happens when an amateur is put in charge of anything. He made wild claims during the campaign that were not based on any knowledge of the intricacies of this or mat any other subject, as in the economy.

It's easy to set your sights on a goal to get elected and then say what ever anyone wants to hear as long as it continues to promote your goal with little or no regard for the realities involved.

Obama has made more unfulfilled promises and claims than any one I can remember and his inability to learn from his mistakes is glaring, as his whole approach to Health care and the Economy and the trials of GETMO detainees in NYC will attest.

After two years he's still an amateur on every subject, and still surrounded by nothing but radicals with no practical experience at any level of management, and it's all because of arrogance.

I think at the core Obama is a dumb-ass and I would tell him that to his face.
 
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Albert Di Salvo said:
Boo,

Why do you defend the indefensible? Obama could have honored his solemn promise easily if he was prepared to take the political heat. Obama can act unilaterally to release these detainees to Yemen. Yemen would take the misfortunate detainees. Only Obama is keeping them penned like animals. This is the man you support. Your support makes continued imprisonment possible.
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So, he could have move prisoners here and moved forward without congress? Is that your argument?

Why have congress at all? Perhaps we should skip right to having a king.
 
jambalaya said:
The political rhetoric concerning closing Gitmo was all about securing a big gesture to embarass Bush. It completely ignored reality.
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No one could embarrass Bush more than Bush did. Remeber, always, that he created the problem there. Nothing anyone else does changes that.
 
Councilman said:
I see this as another example of what happens when an amateur is put in charge of anything. He made wild claims during the campaign that were not based on any knowledge of the intricacies of this or mat any other subject, as in the economy.

It's easy to set your sights on a goal to get elected and then say what ever anyone wants to hear as long as it continues to promote your goal with little or no regard for the realities involved.

Obama has made more unfulfilled promises and claims than any one I can remember and his inability to learn from his mistakes is glaring, as his whole approach to Health care and the Economy and the trials of GETMO detainees in NYC will attest.
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Considering the fact Obama is an experienced politician he knows full well that he must get congress and senate to support and to write the bills he want in order for his campaign promises to come true. Its most of the suckers that voted for him who have no knowledge of how things really work. The way some of these anti-war nuts acted when Bush was in office it would have any ignorant person thinking Bush ran the whole show and did what ever he wanted.
 
Boo Radley said:
So, he could have move prisoners here and moved forward without congress? Is that your argument?

Why have congress at all? Perhaps we should skip right to having a king.
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oooh oooh hysterics and hyperbole...... Fun....
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
My my my.... Testy today, boo? Did I hit a nerve?




Executive order.


Calling me dishonest just makes you look desparate in your attempts to shield your man from critisizm.
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No nerve. Just tire of the dishonesty.

And no, an exceutive order would still have to deal with the realities, the laws Bush broke, and where to houuse those who actually need to be held.
 
Boo Radley said:
No nerve. Just tire of the dishonesty.
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Good, admitting you have a problem is the first step to a remedy.

And no, an exceutive order would still have to deal with the realities, the laws Bush broke, and where to houuse those who actually need to be held.
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Once the executive order is enacted, it can be dictated these thing to be done.


Like when we integrated the military...
 
Boo Radley said:
No. While not quite as dishoenst as Rev, we all know that public opinion weighs on congress critters, of all parties, and that scaring the public scares copngressmen.
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Well who was scaring the public? The President? Media? Senate? House? The Attorney General?

And no one said the republican party had to honor Obama's promises.
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I said they don't have to honor his promises.
but that doesn't mean they don't factor into what has happened.
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I certainly hope they factored into what happened. It was a crazy idea when he first mentioned and a crazy idea now. Had BHO or the Congress genuinely wanted to close Gitmoo they could have without Republican or public approval, just as they passed that atrocious health care Bill. They were acting against the public interests and wishes then and they could have done it with Gitmo as well.

They are part of the forces that are blocking efforts. You can't divoce them from that. You may promise to win a race. I don't want you to win, so I tie your feet together. I can't then say I'm not resonsibile because I didn't promise you'd win the race. I still tied you up.
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Again, they forced Health Care , they could have also forced Gitmo. The bottom line is that BHO is either hopelessly naive or a liar. Either way he is unfit to serve as president
The fact is congress, bot democrats and republicna, have been a hinderence. That is simply fact. And you can't remove their role in this.
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I don't want to remove the Republican role in this. Keeping Gitmo open has probably saved a lot of lives already. It should remain open and stay that way into the foreseeable future. And anyone who says that Gitmo is a recruiting tool for terrorists is just as goofy, or as much a chronic liar, as BHO.
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Boo Radley said:
So, he could have move prisoners here and moved forward without congress? Is that your argument?

Why have congress at all? Perhaps we should skip right to having a king.
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Congress can't stop a president from releasing prisoners. He signs the release papers and the cell door opens up.

Leftists didn't really care about Gitmo. Leftists used Gitmo for partisan political purposes.
 
LOL!

if george w what's-his-name is so responsible for gitmo being uncloseable, then why did obama promise so repeatedly he'd GET THE JOB DONE

i guess he thought he was a KING
 
Boo Radley said:
No nerve. Just tire of the dishonesty.
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Good, admitting you have a problem is the first step to a remedy.

And no, an exceutive order would still have to deal with the realities, the laws Bush broke, and where to houuse those who actually need to be held.
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Once the executive order is enacted, it can be dictated these thing to be done.


Like when we integrated the military...
 
Objective Voice said:
I think if people really knew about how the Bush/Cheney administration co-opted the judiciary in order to keep terrorist from every leaving Gitmo no matter what the evidence proved or disproved, they'd be very surprised.

Closing Gitmo will continue to be difficult as long as this country is at war because of the purposeful legal rangling the previous administration did. Most of the men held in Gitmo will never receive a trial (let alone a fair one) because the rules have been set in such a way that none will likely ever see the evidence held against them because most of it has been labelled as "classified". As such, the Supreme Court upheld a ruling that detainees nor their defense attorney's are able to see classified evidence unless they have the proper security clearance. Moreover, even if the attorney's got the right clearance, the "classified" evidence that is suppose to convict these men can never be presented at trial for reasons of "national security". So, unless the SC overturns that ruling, any White House administration/DOJ who tries to hold trial against a Gitmo detainee has a steep uphill battle on his hands.

And if that wasn't bad enough, you have the issue of the rules for military tribunels being established by civilian trial counsels who've never dealt with "war crimes" issues instead of allowing the JAG court to write the procedures. The Bush/Cheney administration never intended to release the detainees or allow them a fair trial, not while the War on Terror was ongoing and certainly not while they were in office.

Again, if people really knew the truth where Gitmo is concerned, they'd think differently as to why Pres. Obama is having such a difficult time closing it down. Frankly, I think he's stuck on this issue until the war in Afghanistan ends. And by then it may be someone else's problem and they'll have the same problem closing it let alone bringing any of the detainees to trial.

If people only knew...
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If you don't like something just make up ****, right?
 
ReverendHellh0und said:
Once the executive order is enacted, it can be dictated these thing to be done.


Like when we integrated the military...
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Apples to tree frogs again? If a president could handle everythingwith an executive order, we don't need congress. Do we?
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Congress can't stop a president from releasing prisoners. He signs the release papers and the cell door opens up.

Leftists didn't really care about Gitmo. Leftists used Gitmo for partisan political purposes.
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It's not about releasing all of them. It's about housing those we will keep. not to mention the barriers Bush created in properly trying them.

And until you actual understand the position of others, you will likely always be stuck in sterotype pretend land. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
Apples to tree frogs again? If a president could handle everythingwith an executive order, we don't need congress. Do we?
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And that's something to watch out for. In all honestly the EO has been abused for quite some time now, it's used to legislate which is not the President's job; but Congress. The EO is supposed to be directives handed down by the President to the branches under him, which order them to execute laws in prescribed manner. The abuse of the EO has become a serious threat to the proper checks and balances which are supposed to exist within the system. The abuse of the EO accumultes WAY too much power into the executive who is supposed to be the weakest of the three branches. It is a serious and dangerous form of treason and we need to be very careful in how we allow it to be used.
 
I do not see the problem here. The President dislikes something, but realizes it is indeed a necessity, thus he prolongs it for the time being. That is what an elected leader is supposed to do. If he simply kept all of his promises only to hurt the nation he is sworn to defend, then he has accomplished nothing. I for one am glad that politicians are at least intelligent enough to give thought to legislation and change their first opinions, rather than being "fundamentalist" in their ideals and pushing garbage through that serves no purpose other than to "keep promises."
 
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