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Arizona Sheriff Blasts Rush Limbaugh for Spewing 'Irresponsible' Vitriol

buck said:
I used to listen to Air America all the time. I would say it was 100 times worse then what I ever witnessed with Limbaugh - who I haven't listened to in a while. Both the anger expressed by the hosts and the calls that they took.
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I can watch MSNBC, but I couldn't tolerate Air America at all. That's how bad it was. It was pure hate in my opinion. Not surprising they went bankrupt.
 
Barbbtx said:
I can watch MSNBC, but I couldn't tolerate Air America at all. That's how bad it was. It was pure hate in my opinion. Not surprising they went bankrupt.
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And now Al Fraken is a Senator.

BTW did you know our last President went bankrupt a few times....
 
Gill said:
Yeah, I wonder who he blamed when they tried to kill Ford twice in a few weeks time, then shot Reagan right after he took office. That's not counting the two Kennedys, John Lennon, and George Wallace.
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The fairness doctrine was in place during all these assassinations. Conservative talk radio can't be blamed for any of them. But gee... now talk radio is the whole problem and we need the fairness doctrine back according to some in Congress.



Curtis Chillingworth, (1955), a Florida judge. John F. Kennedy, (1963), 35th President of the United States.
United States. Medgar Evers, (1963 June 12), U.S. civil rights activist.[1] Malcolm X, (1965 February 21), black Muslim leader, killed in a Manhattan banquet room as he began a speech. George Lincoln Rockwell, (1967), founder of the American Nazi Party. Martin Luther King, Jr., (1968 April 4), U.S. civil rights activist.[1] Robert F. Kennedy, (1968), leading presidential candidate in the 1968 presidential election, in which he would have succeeded his brother's, John F. Kennedy's, presidential term. Fred Hampton, (1969), Deputy Chairman of the Illinois chapter of the Black Panther Party. Dan Mitrione, (1970), FBI agent and torture expert, killed by the guerrilla movement Tupamaros. Marcus Foster, (1973), School District Superintendent in Oakland CA, killed by members of the Symbionese Liberation Army. Don Bolles, (1976), Investigative reporter for Arizona Republic, killed in car bomb, Max Dunlap and James Robison convicted, alleged Mafia ties. Orlando Letelier, (1976), Chilean ambassador to the United States under the administration of Salvador Allende. John Lennon, (1980 December 8), British musician, member of The Beatles, shot and killed by Mark David Chapman. Alan Berg, (1984), radio talk-show host, killed by Neo-nazis. Henry Liu, (1984), Taiwanese-American writer, allegedly killed by Kuomintang agents. Alex Odeh, (1985), Arab anti-discrimination group leader, killed when bomb exploded in his Santa Ana, California office. Alejandro González Malavé, (1986), famous undercover policeman, in Bayamón, Puerto Rico.

List of assassinated people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
American said:
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You knew it was coming, didn't you? The lefties are coming out in droves now, probably we'll have anti-gun nuts all over now.
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Alright then, if it wasn't some vitriole-spewing fool like Beck or Limbaugh that turned the shooter against the Congresswoman, who was it?

Does this mentally deranged bastard strike you as the type who formulated his own complex political stance and acted in the hopes of bettering humanity set by his intelligent moral standard in shooting the Congresswoman, or was he, more likely, egged on by some warmongering neo-con advocating the violent reconquista of America from those evil commie-nazi-muslim-lefites?
 
winston53660 said:
And now Al Fraken is a Senator.

BTW did you know our last President went bankrupt a few times....
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"Success is 99% failure" --Sochiro Honda, founder of the Honda Motor Company
 
Le Marteau said:
Alright then, if it wasn't some vitriole-spewing fool like Beck or Limbaugh that turned the shooter against the Congresswoman, who was it?

Does this mentally deranged bastard strike you as the type who formulated his own complex political stance and acted in the hopes of bettering humanity set by his intelligent moral standard in shooting the Congresswoman, or was he, more likely, egged on by some warmongering neo-con advocating the violent reconquista of America from those evil commie-nazi-muslim-lefites?
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The mentally ****ed up shooter's own demented self. That's who.
 
Le Marteau said:
So, what, the Congresswoman was just a random victim? No, he clearly decided, from outside influences, that she was a threat to his ideology.
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He made up his own ****ed up mind, that Giffords needed to die. Who knows, maybe he wanted to screw her and knew that he couldn't, so he killed her.
 
Le Marteau said:
Alright then, if it wasn't some vitriole-spewing fool like Beck or Limbaugh that turned the shooter against the Congresswoman, who was it?

Does this mentally deranged bastard strike you as the type who formulated his own complex political stance and acted in the hopes of bettering humanity set by his intelligent moral standard in shooting the Congresswoman, or was he, more likely, egged on by some warmongering neo-con advocating the violent reconquista of America from those evil commie-nazi-muslim-lefites?
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The guy was so worked up by Beck, Limbaugh and the tea party, that he didn't even bother to vote in the last election. If you saw a threat to your ideology, wouldn't you have at least gone to the polls? The guy is simply a nut-job.
 
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Middleground said:
Are you saying that:
1) He didn't follow the law
2) Should have not follows the laws of the land and arrested him? For what, may I add?
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He should have acted like a sheriff instead of a left wing political hack.
Blaming people like Rush when we don't know if the kid even listened to talk radio. I'd say he may well be trying to distract from the fact the kids been known to threaten peoples lives. I don't know what the law would have permited him to do about it, but we do know there was a loose cannon walking around.
 
Le Marteau said:
So, what, the Congresswoman was just a random victim? No, he clearly decided, from outside influences, that she was a threat to his ideology.
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Great post. It's so obvious to most of us, but the the GOP / TBaggers / and Palinites had to circle the wagons.

The far-righties just blew a gasket.
 
buck said:
The guy was so worked up by Beck, Limbaugh and the tea party, that he didn't even bother to vote in the last election.
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Right then, you really don't think that the woman's name in crosshairs on a nationally visited site has anything to do with her shooting?
 
Barbbtx said:
He should have acted like a sheriff instead of a left wing political hack.
Blaming people like Rush when we don't know if the kid even listened to talk radio. I'd say he may well be trying to distract from the fact the kids been known to threaten peoples lives. I don't know what the law would have permited him to do about it, but we do know there was a loose cannon walking around.
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Apparently in AZ, and I get this from hearing an interview with Bob Becer (a democrat), the sheriff could have easily referred him to a mental institution/evaluation
 
Le Marteau said:
So, what, the Congresswoman was just a random victim? No, he clearly decided, from outside influences, that she was a threat to his ideology.
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What ideology was that exactly, and what evidence do your base your seeming declaration of his ideology on?
 
Le Marteau said:
Right then, you really don't think that the woman's name in crosshairs on a nationally visited site has anything to do with her shooting?
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Highly doubtful. The guy believed 9/11 was perpetrated by Bush and Iraq/Afghanistan were illegal wars - I must have missed that plank of the republican platform.

But, forgetting all that, if you saw a crosshair over a targeted district for possible republican pick-up, wouldn't you have, at the very least, voted in the election to unseat her? Or would you just wait for her to win a close election then decide to shoot her?

The guy was a nut job. I don't believe Sarah Palin's ad caused him to do what he did, just as I don't believe the left wing blog (Daily Kos was it?) that targeted the district because she wasn't liberal enough caused him to do this.
 
Zyphlin said:
What ideology was that exactly, and what evidence do your base your seeming declaration of his ideology on?
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The guy tried to assassinate someone who was labelled under a crosshair on a nationally-visited conservative website. It is my assumption, of course, but a bloody logical assumption I should think, to say that this has something to do with her shooting, and thus, that he pays some heed to Palin's words or websites.

I can from there garner his most probably political leanings.

That's called Ockham's Razor, mate -- the most logical solution is almost always preferable to less logical ones. Woman's name in crosshairs on conservative site + woman being shot = woman being shot by conservative killer.

COULD be false, but Ockham's Razor, and inherent intuition, reason and basic common sense, say that it's true.
 
Le Marteau said:
The guy tried to assassinate someone who was labelled under a crosshair on a nationally-visited conservative website. It is my assumption, of course, but a bloody logical assumption I should think, to say that this has something to do with her shooting, and thus, that he pays some heed to Palin's words or websites.

I can from there garner his most probably political leanings.

That's called Ockham's Razor, mate -- the most logical solution is almost always preferable to less logical ones. Woman's name in crosshairs on conservative site + woman being shot = woman being shot by conservative killer.

COULD be false, but Ockham's Razor, and inherent intuition, reason and basic common sense, say that it's true.
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You don't even know whether or not he saw that website much less acted on it, and according to those who were familiar with him he had no interest in politics. What was it about the website that made him murder a little girl and several others? Can you Ockham's razor that?

Were you also affected by the website and considering killing innocent people, or is that something that only a psychopath might do?
 
Le Marteau said:
The guy tried to assassinate someone who was labelled under a crosshair on a nationally-visited conservative website. It is my assumption, of course, but a bloody logical assumption I should think, to say that this has something to do with her shooting, and thus, that he pays some heed to Palin's words or websites.

I can from there garner his most probably political leanings.

That's called Ockham's Razor, mate -- the most logical solution is almost always preferable to less logical ones. Woman's name in crosshairs on conservative site + woman being shot = woman being shot by conservative killer.

COULD be false, but Ockham's Razor, and inherent intuition, reason and basic common sense, say that it's true.
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The reality is, that short of Loughner explicitly stating, "I killed those people because Rush/Beck/Hannity/Levin/Palin told me to", the assumption that any of those people motivated his actions is nothing short of idiotic.
 
Le Marteau said:
Alright then, if it wasn't some vitriole-spewing fool like Beck or Limbaugh that turned the shooter against the Congresswoman, who was it?QUOTE]

According to what has been put out, he didn't like the way she answered a question in 2007 when he met her.
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Le Marteau said:
The guy tried to assassinate someone who was labelled under a crosshair on a nationally-visited conservative website. It is my assumption, of course, but a bloody logical assumption I should think, to say that this has something to do with her shooting, and thus, that he pays some heed to Palin's words or websites.

I can from there garner his most probably political leanings.

That's called Ockham's Razor, mate -- the most logical solution is almost always preferable to less logical ones. Woman's name in crosshairs on conservative site + woman being shot = woman being shot by conservative killer.

COULD be false, but Ockham's Razor, and inherent intuition, reason and basic common sense, say that it's true.
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Sounds more to me like the availability bias than Ockham's razor. Your reasoning is irrational, not logical.
 
Barbbtx said:
Le Marteau said:
Alright then, if it wasn't some vitriole-spewing fool like Beck or Limbaugh that turned the shooter against the Congresswoman, who was it?QUOTE]

According to what has been put out, he didn't like the way she answered a question in 2007 when he met her.
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Interesting. What was the question?
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Le Marteau said:
Barbbtx said:
Interesting. What was the question?
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CBS News Justice and Homeland Security correspondent Bob Orr said on "Face the Nation" Sunday, "We do know from our sources and from our national security analyst Juan Zarate that Loughner had an interaction once before with Congresswoman Giffords back in 2007, where he apparently posed a question to her, kind of a benign question.

"She answered the question; he didn't find it acceptable, he didn't like the answer," Orr said.


"Loner" Jared Loughner Spoke to Giffords in 2007 - Face The Nation - CBS News

"We should say that Loughner has made threats in the past," Orr added. "Police knew this guy. He had made these threats, general in nature, not specific."

Orr said that Loughner had not been arrested for the threats and therefore had nothing on him that was actionable.
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Le Marteau said:
Interesting. What was the question?
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You apparently don't even have any facts. You just want to blame a conservative. How could you not love that.
 
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