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Illinois Lawmakers Propose 75% Income Tax Hike

no one cares what you're talking about, narcissus

120.8% is doom

sorry

Japan has over 200%... The US is nearing 120% and was over 100% after WW2.. what doom happened to those two? Italy has been over 100% for decades and only now is it suddenly a problem.. You were saying?

And again it has nothing to do with my comments. Stop trying divert attention away from deficits to overall debt.

and a 2.25% hit on personal income, on top of federal, property, sales, excise, cap gains, inheritance and other taxes, tolls and fees is a 2.25% hit on personal income

Yes and upping "fees" in Texas will have the same impact .. a hit on personal income. Your point being?
 
you have to ask?

Yes I do, but since you are selective in your reply... what doom has happened to Japan with 200%+ debt vs GDP and the US after WW2? As for the US atm, it is going just fine since the markets are show confidence towards the US.
 
So what is their solution to the problem? Ignore it and hope it goes away.

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Provide the people a full and open accounting of current expenditures. Set goals first on spending deductions and cuts. COmmit via legislation to those cuts, then turn to taxpayers with a one time increase or decrease base on those cuts and the actual budget.
 
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keep it civil, please
 
Provide the people a full and open accounting of current expenditures. Set goals first on spending deductions and cuts. COmmit via legislation to those cuts, then turn to taxpayers with a one time increase or decrease base on those cuts and the actual budget.

Problem is "the people" tend to form their voting decisions around 30 second distorted soundbites. And not to sound melodramatic, but the "Chicago Combine" has a pretty good control on who wins anything in their realm.

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Provide the people a full and open accounting of current expenditures. Set goals first on spending deductions and cuts. COmmit via legislation to those cuts, then turn to taxpayers with a one time increase or decrease base on those cuts and the actual budget.
Is that their solution or just your fantasy?

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Yes I do, but since you are selective in your reply... what doom has happened to Japan with 200%+ debt vs GDP and the US after WW2? As for the US atm, it is going just fine since the markets are show confidence towards the US.

Japan's current debt and U.S. post-WWII debt is/was predominantly domestically held... the holders of the debt have a direct stake in making sure the system continues as they are citizens of that system... however, today, the U.S. and many European countries with high debts have a significant about of external debt. I haven't seen the exact numbers, but it seems pretty clear that while the U.S. has far more external debt than Japan, it is less than that of several European states that are currently experiencing troubles... hence the financial markets' concern...
 
It's not hard to see what will happen... a migration out of Illinois by business and family's.
 
Japan's current debt and U.S. post-WWII debt is/was predominantly domestically held... the holders of the debt have a direct stake in making sure the system continues as they are citizens of that system...

I know.. question is if The Prof knows that. You see he never answers questions and just posts the link after link with irrelevant and miss-leading (to the subject) information.

however, today, the U.S. and many European countries with high debts have a significant about of external debt.

Yes and yet those with mostly domestic debt in Europe are under attack by speculators.. Belgium and Italy.. go figure. Italy has a debt vs GDP ratio of 117% but most of that debt is domestic held. Italians have a very high savings rate and they spend those savings by buying Italian debt... much like the Japanese.

I haven't seen the exact numbers, but it seems pretty clear that while the U.S. has far more external debt than Japan, it is less than that of several European states that are currently experiencing troubles... hence the financial markets' concern...

Again depends on the country. Japanese debt is mostly domestic, since Japanese save instead of spend (which is an economic problem). The same goes for Italy and Belgium and actually many other European nations. Then there is Greece (lied about its economy), and Ireland (bailed out bloated banks 100%). Portuguese is about average in the EU on debt vs GDp and Spain is considerably under average in debt ratios. The US in 2010 should pass Spain and even Portugal in debt vs GDP.

But on topic again.. Illinois needs to get rid of the structural problems and balance taxes and spending.. there is no other way. But at least they are admitting they have a problem.. unlike some other states (mostly red states).
 
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The Democrat solution to everything is either another or higher taxes, with little or regard and no understanding for any type of economic reality.

In this case it's it's Illinois and we all know that corruption does not come cheap.
 
The Democrat solution to everything is either another or higher taxes, with little or regard and no understanding for any type of economic reality.

In this case it's it's Illinois and we all know that corruption does not come cheap.

The promised deals have begun to come out. Some lame duck congressmen were offered jobs in exchange for their vote. The congressmen that managed to keep their seats were allegedly offered better redistricting to help their reelections for their votes.
 
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It's not hard to see what will happen... a migration out of Illinois by business and family's.

I've heard interviews with the Indiana and Wisconsin governors, and they sound pretty darn giddy about the possiblity of businesses relocating from Illinois.
 
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I've heard interviews with the Indiana and Wisconsin governors, and they sound pretty darn giddy about the possiblity of businesses relocating from Illinois.

Had a funny article about that in the Chicago Tribune this morning. The Governors in adjoining states are essentially taunting Illinois about how the new taxes will impact where new industries will decide to locate....:doh

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New Hit to Strapped States - WSJ.com

With the market for municipal bonds tumbling, cities, hospitals, schools and other public borrowers are scrambling to refinance tens of billions of dollars of debt this year, another sign that the once-safe market is under duress.

The muni bond market was hit with the latest wave of bad news Thursday, prompting a selloff that sent the market to its lowest level since the financial crisis. A New Jersey agency was forced to cut the size of a bond issue by about 40% because of mediocre demand, and pay a higher rate than expected. And mutual fund giant Vanguard Group shelved plans for three new muni bond funds, citing market turmoil.

The market has fallen every day this week, and investors have been net sellers of their holdings in municipal-bond mutual funds for nine straight weeks, according to fund tracker Lipper FMI.

Yields on 30-year triple-A rated general obligation bonds shot higher to 5.01% on Thursday, reflecting a spike in perceived risk, according to Thomson Reuters Municipal Market Data. The last time those bonds yielded 5% was Jan. 30, 2009, during the financial crisis.

Amid the selloff, public borrowers such as states and utilities face a wave of refinancing stemming from deals cut mostly during the crisis. The deals involved letters of credit from banks that were designed to keep financing costs down for government entities in need of cash.

Banks are reluctant to renew the letters of credit in part because of impending rules that restrict the amount of risk they can take.
 
Sometimes a governor has to govern rather than kick the can on to the next occupant of the office. :2wave:

<The rate increase might be the biggest any state has adopted in percentage terms while grappling with recent economic woes. Nevertheless, Illinois' tax rate would remain lower than in several other states in the region.>

<"It's important for their state government not to be a fiscal basket case," Quinn told reporters outside his Capitol office.>

Gov. Quinn promises to quickly sign Ill. tax hike - Yahoo! News
 
Sometimes a governor has to govern rather than kick the can on to the next occupant of the office. :2wave:

<The rate increase might be the biggest any state has adopted in percentage terms while grappling with recent economic woes. Nevertheless, Illinois' tax rate would remain lower than in several other states in the region.>

<"It's important for their state government not to be a fiscal basket case," Quinn told reporters outside his Capitol office.>

Gov. Quinn promises to quickly sign Ill. tax hike - Yahoo! News

Raising taxes only works if businesses don't flee. But Illinois can't prevent them from fleeing. Some businesses will flee Illinois because they can get better deals elsewhere. It's just business, nothing personal.
 
Illinois needs to get rid of EVERY GOVERNMENT PENSION. NOW! Not ONE person in Illinois deserves a pension. Not a teacher not a cop not a fireman not a politician..... NO ONE! Its either that or keep on paying and raising taxes.
 
Sometimes a governor has to govern rather than kick the can on to the next occupant of the office. :2wave:

<The rate increase might be the biggest any state has adopted in percentage terms while grappling with recent economic woes. Nevertheless, Illinois' tax rate would remain lower than in several other states in the region.>

<"It's important for their state government not to be a fiscal basket case," Quinn told reporters outside his Capitol office.>

Gov. Quinn promises to quickly sign Ill. tax hike - Yahoo! News

Problem is he (Quinn) essentially did kick the can. The issue is spending, which continues to go up. But Madigan and Cullerton are not going to let any of their precious voting blocs make any sacrifice. So the solution is just more revenue to feed the insatiable monster. And the pensions that Noodle mentions are a huge part of the issue.

It really is a corrupt mess...
 
Illinois needs to get rid of EVERY GOVERNMENT PENSION. NOW! Not ONE person in Illinois deserves a pension. Not a teacher not a cop not a fireman not a politician..... NO ONE! Its either that or keep on paying and raising taxes.

If your goal is to completely destroy faith in government, that is an excellent suggestion.
 
I've heard interviews with the Indiana and Wisconsin governors, and they sound pretty darn giddy about the possiblity of businesses relocating from Illinois.

some of Wisconsin's taxes are higher than Illinois.
 
If your goal is to completely destroy faith in government, that is an excellent suggestion.

Of course getting RID of every government pension would be wrong.

But every single one of them, bar NONE, should be Defined Contribution Plans -- not the sweetheart Defined Benefit Plans they have now. People receiving government pensions are sittin' pretty while Average Joe Taxpayer is taking it up the yang-yang. It's wrong. It's criminal. The politicians who let this happen should be indicted.
 
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