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Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords Shot In Arizona

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wow people are dropping like flies on this thread lol

I'm betting these killings are non-political.

Pissed off disturbed person tried to kill as many people as possible before he was killed. A congresswoman would have just been icing on the cake to him.
 
I watched in disgust yesterday as each of the Sunday morning talk shows cleverly talked about our current state of "political discourse" - adding cute phrases like "not to blame the tea party, but in terms of the tone of the debate".

Not only are they patently wrong about the gunmen's politics - people who know him describe him as left wing if anything - but the complete lack of shame to call this guy anything but mentally deranged is truly a disgrace. This isn't a coherent individual striking out against the system. This is a demented nutjob who roamed the town, giving everyone he met the creeps.

This was the guy you see walking along the road arguing out loud with no one. His rants and arguments were entirely disjointed, making no sense whatsoever. I'm still not sure what he meant by the government controlling our minds "and grammar". What the hell is all that about?

Yet, there they were, all lathered up, rushing to point fingers at the tea party. And this, mere hours after the tragedy. I know that about 0.01 percent of the populations watches these shows anyway, but it's still maddening.

And yet, the media still struggles to understand their irrelevance.

Also trying to pin this on Palin. :rolleyes:
 
wow people are dropping like flies on this thread lol

I'm betting these killings are non-political.

Pissed off disturbed person tried to kill as many people as possible before he was killed. A congresswoman would have just been icing on the cake to him.

Apparently, from thousands of miles away in your parts, it's already been confirmed.

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If we have an official DP historian, could someone confirm if this thread now has the record for the most thread bans???

As the DP historian, I can see, without question and by far.
 
Strange how when Hinckley shot Reagan, it was never mentioned to be politically motivated, and rap and violent video games have no affect on young kids lashing out, but this guy listened to AM radio and it sent him over the edge.
 
We had to fire a guy once for incompetence. I was so convinced he would walk back in and start shooting, I hid in the server room until he was gone.

Happened once at a job I worked at 20 years ago. Guy went crazy at me saying all kinds of unintelligable things. Then he hit the store manager. We all were concerned that he would come back and kill someone. I saw him about a year ago in a local supermarket. He still looked insane. Fortunately, I don't think he recognized me.
 
Was the shooter upset his generation's economic opportunities have mostly been used by by prior generations?
 
He must have had the worst friends ever. I mean how do you NOT notice stuff like this.
I hope all the families find peace, and those injured heal fully.

People noticed. Sadly, not enough was done, and the question is, how do you know when some moron is just being a pothead moron, and when do you know if he is near the tipping point of doing something vile? In most cases you cannot, until it is too late.

"He was one of the last kids tocome in, and he sat down and almost immediately started laughing to himself in a way that was just kind of creepy," a classmate, Alex Kotonias, 20, told USA Today.

"As soon as the teacher started going over the syllabus, he had this outburst out of nowhere, didn't even raise his hand, and started asking the teacher some sort of weird questions about whether he believed in mind control."

Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.

Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.

Adjunct Prof. Ben McGahee, 28, worried about violence. "I remember going home and thinking to myself, 'Is he going to bring a weapon to class?'" he told USA Today.

Lynda Sorenson, 52, who was in McGahee's basic algebra class with Loughner, expressed similar fears in emails to friends, The Washington Post reports.

On June 14, she wrote: "We have a mentally unstable person in the class that scares the living crap out of me. He is one of those whose picture you see on the news, after he has come into class with an automatic weapon. Everyone interviewed would say, 'Yeah, he was in my math class and he was really weird.' I sit by the door with my purse handy."

In September, college officials sent campus police officers to Loughner's home, where he lives with his parents, with a letter informing him he could not return without a mental health professional's written assurance that hispresence at college would "notpresent a danger to himself or others."

"It was obvious to everyone that Jared wasn't a normal guy,"said neighbor Anthony Woods, 19.

Read more: Gabrielle Giffords shooting: Frightening, twisted shrine in Arizona killer Jared Lee Loughner's yard
 
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Obama rightly called for a moment of silence today for the victims and their families.

He didn't do that for the victims of Fort Hood.

Kinda strange.
 
Obama rightly called for a moment of silence today for the victims and their families.

He didn't do that for the victims of Fort Hood.

Kinda strange.
Soldiers are expected to die at gunpoint. Not civies.
 
According to today's NBC evening news, the shooting was politically motivated.

According to the report, Laughner allegedly met Congresswoman Gifford in 2007 and disagreed with her politics. Furtheremore, according to the report Laughner planned on assasinating Gifford then killing himself. Police say he had atleast 90 rounds of ammo with him when he went on his shooting rampage.

I know alot of people would like to believe this just some deranged man who happened to not like the Congresswoman's views, but the political rhetoric has been brewing to a fever pitch for 2-years now. IMO, and I said as much not long ago, it was just a matter of time before someone believed the rhetoric and took matters into their own hands.

So sad...
 
According to today's NBC evening news, the shooting was politically motivated.

According to the report, Laughner allegedly met Congresswoman Gifford in 2007 and disagreed with her politics. Furtheremore, according to the report Laughner planned on assasinating Gifford then killing himself. Police say he had atleast 90 rounds of ammo with him when he went on his shooting rampage.

I know alot of people would like to believe this just some deranged man who happened to not like the Congresswoman's views, but the political rhetoric has been brewing to a fever pitch for 2-years now. IMO, and I said as much not long ago, it was just a matter of time before someone believed the rhetoric and took matters into their own hands.

So sad...

And yet what about her politics didn't he like?

Oh I see you don't mention that. You're attempting to portray him as a rightwing fanatic bent on killing some liberal politician.

Oh but wait, she's one of the more BLUE DOG Conservative Dems. Hmmm...

And his hate for her?

By Joe Brooks
(WIREUPDATE) — A person who knew gunman Jared Lee Loughner said he met with Congresswoman Giffords at least once in the past. Caitie Parker, a high school friend of the shooter, said Loughner told her about meeting the Congresswomen once in 2007.
“He was a political radical. He met Giffords once before in 2007. He asked her a question and he told me she was ‘stupid and unintelligent.’ Parker wrote on her Twitter account.

“He was a pot head and into rock, like Hendrix, The Doors, Anti-Flag. I haven’t seen him in person since 2007 in a sign language class. As I knew him he was left wing, quite liberal and oddly obsessed with the 2012 prophecy. He had a lot of friends until he got alcohol poisoning in 2006 and dropped out of school. Mainly a loner, very philosophical,” she wrote.
According to BNO News, Loughner was placed into custody after shooting at least 18 people, six of whom have died.
Jared Lee Loughner reportedly met with Congresswoman Giffords before tragic shooting » Breaking News | Wire Update News | News Wires -

Not looking good for your thinking there buddy.
BY SAM STANTON

MCCLATCHY NEWSPAPERS

TUCSON, Ariz. -- There's mounting evidence that the attack on Rep. Gabrielle Giffords wasn't a political act but a plan by a disturbed high school dropout who had few friends and no clear agenda.
Pima County Sheriff Clarence Dupnik said in an interview Monday, however, that Jared Lee Loughner "targeted the congresswoman specifically; there's considerable evidence to substantiate that."
As more details surface about the background of 22-year-old Loughner, who made his initial court appearance in Phoenix Monday, debate raged over the toxic level of politics in Arizona and whether the state's gun laws will become even more lenient.


Read more: Sheriff: Loughner targeted Giffords, but not over politics - Nation AP - MiamiHerald.com
 
this is some good news for a change.

<Congresswoman raises 2 fingers, gives thumbs-up>

<TUCSON, Ariz. – Doctors treating Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords said Monday the congresswoman was responding to verbal commands by raising two fingers of her left hand and even managed to give a thumbs-up.>

Congresswoman raises 2 fingers, gives thumbs-up - Yahoo! News
 
Soldiers are expected to die at gunpoint.

at the soldiers' readiness center at fort hood, texas?!

i'm stunned!

american servicemembers are EXPECTED to be gunned down?

i am sincerely stunned by your cavalier dismissal of this horrible, hateful hit

pray for ms giffords, the other victims in tucson, their families

pray for the 13 martyred and the 30 others wounded on nov, 5, 2009
 
Obama rightly called for a moment of silence today for the victims and their families.

He didn't do that for the victims of Fort Hood.

Kinda strange.

you're pissed that Obama is being respectful?

the military commanders called for a moment of silence on behalf of Ft Hood within 24 hours of the event.

if Obama had subsequently called for a moment of silence, no doubt you would have accused him then of political opportunism. there's no pleasing some people.

Global Moment of Silence for Ft. Hood Victims - TVNewser
 
this is some good news for a change.

<Congresswoman raises 2 fingers, gives thumbs-up>

<TUCSON, Ariz. – Doctors treating Arizona Rep. Gabrielle Giffords said Monday the congresswoman was responding to verbal commands by raising two fingers of her left hand and even managed to give a thumbs-up.>

Congresswoman raises 2 fingers, gives thumbs-up - Yahoo! News

Talk about impressive. Taking a point blank shot to the head and two days later giving a thumbs up.

She is tough and wish her the best in recovery.

I wish we could hear more about how the other critically injureds are doing.
 
According to today's NBC evening news, the shooting was politically motivated.

According to the report, Laughner allegedly met Congresswoman Gifford in 2007 and disagreed with her politics. Furtheremore, according to the report Laughner planned on assasinating Gifford then killing himself. Police say he had atleast 90 rounds of ammo with him when he went on his shooting rampage.

I know alot of people would like to believe this just some deranged man who happened to not like the Congresswoman's views, but the political rhetoric has been brewing to a fever pitch for 2-years now. IMO, and I said as much not long ago, it was just a matter of time before someone believed the rhetoric and took matters into their own hands.

So sad...

his antipathy towards ms giffords goes back to 2007, before heated rhetoric against this white house and its current crop of opponents was barely blipping on america's radar screen

before tea, before most americans even heard of sarah palin, before many knew the then senator from illinois

his ill feeling towards his congresswoman goes back to his meeting with her in 2007 when he asked her how she knew that words had meaning and she answered him in spanish

Tucson Shooter’s Grudge Against Giffords: ‘I Planned Ahead’ -- Daily Intel

how do you say "heated rhetoric" in espanol?

pray for all the victims, if you're compassion is expansive enough pray for mr hasan, loughner and their loved ones

peace
 
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That is amazing. Wow. Unfortunately the other victims who died have families tonight in pure agnony.
I know it won't happen but love to see this louse dropped in the middle of the main population in one of our main prisons.

Oh he's in grave danger in there. Remember what happened to Jeffrey Dahmer?
 
Unless there is evidence linking Sarah Palins website to this nut job, her website has nothing to do with it.

I could put a crosshair and a website on anybody in the country and if that person is killed and the killer didn't even know I made the site, the site isn't to blame.

You don't say? My you dazzle me with your logic! :shock:
 
It doesn't matter. It's what someone does with that information that makes the difference.

If a kook decides he's going to kill innocent people, do we really care what sources he used to justify his actions?

So how to make a bomb on the Internet or how to commit a crime wouldn't be a problem as long as someone doesn't do it?
 
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