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Health care repeal will cost $230 billion

Do you realize the American people actually think this law doesn't go far enough?

absolutely

that's why the american people ripped the gavel out of NANCY PELOSI'S palsied palm to give it to the orange dude who cries

LOL!
 
Objective Voice;1059203898]I'm not buying anything the Administration tells me. I can read, you know. There's plenty of information out there on the health care issue. Why do you continue supporting ideals that are contradictory?

How did we survive all these years without Obamacare? What is out that there states that the Federal Govt. can handle the healthcare issue. Since healthcare is a personal responsibility any program to solve the problem rests closer to the people and that isn't the Federal Govt. but instead is the local and state governments.

You want people to be responsible for themselves, yet here we are debating the merits of "freedom of choice" over "personal responsibility". That's really what this health care debate boils down to. It's really not about providing health care options to those who can't afford to buy health insurance. It's about people who can afford to buy insurance, but instead are sticking up for their right to choose to buy or not to buy insurance for themselves and would rather refuse to do so dispite knowing that this goes contrary to "being responsible".

We don't need a Federal Mandate to solve the problems of people not being able to afford healthcare. What we need is the ability to sell across the state lines, eliminate tort reform, and handle the illegal alien issue. How many of those people who do not have healthcare have the ability to purchase it but choose not to? How many are illegal aliens? You think we need this Federal Mandate for the rest?


For me, it's a common sense thing plus personal responsibility. If I'm employeed and my salary is enough that I can afford to buy health insurance, I'll buy it. If not, I'll do like every other poor person and find a program I can afford to insure myself and my family - socialized or otherwise. But atleast I'm "being responsible".

Life is about making choices, sometimes the things you want get in the way of the things you need. What about the people who can afford healthcare but choose not to purchase it? The number that cannot afford healthcare doesn't require a 2400 page govt. mandate that does nothing to improve access or quality. MA is a perfect example of what is going to happen.
 
that article was witten in June 2008, well before he was POTUS, so it couldn't be part of his bill

putting medical records online, not part of his bill?

LOL!

Obama says his health care plan will garner large savings – $120 billion a year, or $2,500 per family – with more than half coming from the use of electronic health records. And he says he'll make that happen in his first term. We find his statements to be overly optimistic, misleading and, to some extent, contradicted by one of his own advisers. And it masks the true cost of his plan to cover millions of Americans who now have no health insurance.

Factcheck.org: Obama's Inflated Health 'Savings' - Newsweek

and that's according to EVAN THOMAS' team

june, 2009: In Televised Address, Obama Seeks to Calm Nation's Fears About Health-Care Reform - washingtonpost.com

Addressing what he called "entirely legitimate" skepticism, the president vowed that health-care reform would drive down costs, eventually saving families thousands of dollars. But he struggled to explain how any of the measures under consideration would fulfill that promise.

For the past week, Obama has engaged in a two-pronged campaign to woo recalcitrant lawmakers and sell nervous voters from the bully pulpit. The news conference seemed to be intended less to stake out new ground than to calm a nation still reeling from the economic meltdown. "The American people are understandably queasy about the huge deficits and debt that we're facing right now," he said.

The president has been under pressure to explain how far-reaching legislation would translate into eventual savings for families, businesses and the government. Over the long term, Obama said, he anticipates slowing the rate of health-care spending by digitizing medical records, eliminating duplication and waste, and revolutionizing the way doctors are paid.

He rejected the idea that reform would require sacrifice for most, and dismissed suggestions that Medicare spending might decrease, raising costs for seniors.

that's it, that's how he SAYS he's gonna payfor 30 million new members (while cutting medicare half a tril)---online records, wfa and cutting doctors' pay 25%

as for "revolutionizing how doctors are paid," the house and senate did the doc fix in december, about a QUARTER TRIL over ten years OFF BUDGET

http://thehill.com/blogs/healthwatch/medicare/132929-congress-passes-obama-backed-doc-fix

some of you folks REALLY need to read more

obamacare is a charlatan
 
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putting medical records online, not part of his bill?

LOL!

Thanks for revealing you don't have a clue about health care reform -- saves us from reading the rest of your post.

Go GOP!! Roll us backwards, you did so well last decade!!:roll::roll:
 
If the Democrats, Obama included, keep leaning so far left, the outcome of the 2012 election is a foregone conclusion.

absolutely

and the senate too, by a substantial margin

Tougher road ahead for Senate Dems - Shira Toeplitz - POLITICO.com

dems in north dakota, nebraska, montana, florida, missouri, west virginia, virginia, pennsylvania, ohio, new mexico, wisconsin, michigan and minnesota are UP

in additon, difi will be 80, cantwell's washington has been 50-50, chris christie is ripping up jersey (robert menendez) and jiltin joe lieberman is HOMELESS

on the flip side, every republican (there are only 10) up for reelection in 12 is considered safe except chappaquiddick's scott brown (and maverick #41 is rising, politically)

another good point, thanks
 
Do you REALLY believe that Obama care is importing in 30 million sick people to our country? I mean really, that's rediculous. Most of those 30 million aint sick, and many of them already regularly pay for their health care out of their pocket just like I do. I am totally against Obama care, but to claim that it is adding 30 million new sick people to our medical system is rediculous.

tell it to the WHIP

from the op:

"'Not only would repeal of health care reform add to our deficit, it would dump more than 30 million Americans from coverage who will be protected by our new health care reform act," said Sen. Richard Durbin, D-Illinois."

There are millions of people just like me who don't have health insurance because we choose not to have it. That doesn't mean we arnt already recieving health care, it just means that we don't have health insurance. YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE HEALTH INSURANCE TO RECIEVE HEALTH CARE. Many of us are perfectly capable of forking out $60-$100 for a typical doctor visit or $2,000 for a broken bone, or even $10,000 for an operation. I personally find that paying cash for a $10,000 operation is much cheaper than paying $10,000 a year for insurance because I don't have a $10,000 operation every year.

then you're gonna be breaking the law

and according to senate finance's chief of staff if you don't pay your fines you can be put in jail

Buy Insurance or Go to Jail? - The Note

http://a.abcnews.go.com/images/Politics/Barthold_letter.pdf

indeed, the then speakeress was asked point blank, must people go to jail for not buying health insurance

and she sure didn't say no

LOL!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUkzV8h3Wp0

it was big news at the time, where were you?

don't worry about it, tho, with members like mccaskill against it the mandate will likely be unmade

Docs really don't mind ripping off the insurance companies because they know that the insurance companies simply rip off their customers. Both the health care providers and the insurance companies LIKE IT THIS WAY, because it makes them rich.

that is, sadly, extremely true
 
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Conservative asks

How did we survive all these years without Obamacare?

Hundreds of thousands of people did not survive. They died without it because they had no insurance.
 
Conservative asks



Hundreds of thousands of people did not survive. They died without it because they had no insurance.

Really? So drug abuse, obesity, smoking, and drinking had no affect? Life expectancy in this country has increased every year. You really think that liberals give a damn about people living longer? They want the revenue and the power and that i what it is all about. Healthcare is a personal responsibility not a Federal Responsibility. Now if you want to pay for my healthcare, send me a check. Thanks.
 
How did we survive all these years without Obamacare?

By going into the debt. Running medicare into the ground. Helping big pharma get rich with an unfunded prescription drug bill.

All those ass-backwards GOP policies.

Hardly surviving, but whatever you say sport.
 
does apdst not know he's the most ignored user on DP??... Besides Prof.
 
does apdst not know he's the most ignored user on DP??... Besides Prof.

I guess that's why Hazlnut still thinks the Reps cut some kinda brother-n-law deal with big pharma. :lamo
 
By going into the debt. Running medicare into the ground. Helping big pharma get rich with an unfunded prescription drug bill.

All those ass-backwards GOP policies.

Hardly surviving, but whatever you say sport.

Stop while you are behind. The only one that ran Medicare in the ground is the Federal Govt. Medicare is funded by SS which is funded by FICA taxes. SS was put on budget by LBJ in the 60's. The money put into SS was used to fund the Vietnam War and the Great Society along with everything else other than Medicare and SS. Your education is lacking so not sure where you got your education but they have misled you.
 
I guess that's why Hazlnut still thinks the Reps cut some kinda brother-n-law deal with big pharma. :lamo

It doesn't appear that Hazlnut has a clue. Hazlnut buys the rhetoric of the left because it sounds so good yet ignores the actual results. Big Phama was in bed with Obama on the healthcare bill and gave most of their money to Democrats. Big Pharma benefits from Obamacare but that doesn't stop Hazlnut from spouting the uneducated rhetoric.
 
Thanks for the post. Obama supporters never pay any attention to the results because they are put into a trance by the rhetoric.

For all your whining and moaning about Obama, it's rather odd that, and yes i know the numbers are larger, but Bush increased the deficit, and he was in charge when the economy tanked, yet it's his picture in your avatar...

So, you don't pay attention to results either?

Or is it only democrat presidents you feel you have to hold accountable.
 
For all your whining and moaning about Obama, it's rather odd that, and yes i know the numbers are larger, but Bush increased the deficit, and he was in charge when the economy tanked, yet it's his picture in your avatar...

So, you don't pay attention to results either?

Or is it only democrat presidents you feel you have to hold accountable.

Show us which one of Bush's policies caused the depression.
 
For all your whining and moaning about Obama, it's rather odd that, and yes i know the numbers are larger, but Bush increased the deficit, and he was in charge when the economy tanked, yet it's his picture in your avatar...

So, you don't pay attention to results either?

Or is it only democrat presidents you feel you have to hold accountable.

Yes, I pay attention to results and use non partisan sites for those results. you ought to try them some time.

I would be happy to discuss Bush's results but that isn't this thread. You want actual Bush results go to BEA.gov, BLS.gov, and the U.S. Treasury to get non partisan data. The results aren't what the media presents to you. I am proud of that Avatar as are my three family members that served in the military under GW Bush. You and others need to get over your Bush derangement syndrome and pay attention to what Obama is doing to the country. Did the Nov. 2, 2010 election results make it to South Africa?
 
Who said hospitals closed in MA? I said that ER use is skyrocketing and raising costs. Here is a perfect example of liberals ignoring actual results to promote another agenda. Part of Obamacare savings was predicated on lower ER costs, that hasn't happened in MA but when you add 40 million more nationwide it will? LOL, you are the one that needs to apologize for your stance on this issue and for the disaster that Obama has created.

I presented fact and you go on and just post YOUR opinion. I WOULD say "typical conservative" but there ARE conservatives on this forum that DO provide solid responses and not just "Hannity answers". PLUS... this is about Republicans repealing Obamas health care bill. Not going off and babbling about something else!
Ive said it before... I dont like this bill. It doesnt FIX the HUUUUUUUGE cost of health care! Alas YOU and the conserva-people dont have ANYTHING to tackle the REAL problem. There are to many Republicans in bed with lobbyists (especially Boehner).

This whole thing is a JOKE! PLUUUUS the majority of America DOES want Obamacare! (unless you take the conservative sites). This whole thing makes ME sick. I need a doctor! :vomit:
 
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This isn't about causation, this is about holding people accountable for things when it's convenient...

Tell us what those things are. I mean, hell, I can't wait to hear it. I've heard for 2+ years now about how Bush caused the depression, yet none of the know-it-all-Libbos have been able to tell me exactly what Bush did to cause the depression. Could it be that this is the day I finally learn what that is? From you?
 
Tell us what those things are. I mean, hell, I can't wait to hear it. I've heard for 2+ years now about how Bush caused the depression, yet none of the know-it-all-Libbos have been able to tell me exactly what Bush did to cause the depression. Could it be that this is the day I finally learn what that is? From you?

Actually I think Bush did nothing at all.

What I find funny though is, how come when Bush increases the deficit, it's all good. But when Obama does it, well then he must hang.

I mean, sure you can like Bush more then Obama, I don't have a problem with that. It's not even about that.

It's why hold Obama accountable for certain things, but praise Bush like a freakin hero, when he did alot of the same things...

Are either you or Conservative gonna claim that the deficit didn't increase under Bush? And are you going to claim that if the economy had tanked under Obama, that you all wouldn't have pounced on him like a fat kid on a cupcake.

The word you're looking for is:

Hypocracy.
 
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