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Health care repeal will cost $230 billion


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other therapeutic treatment had to wait 18.3 weeks

Read more: CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study


Let's do an overview:

One complaint about both the U.S. and Canadian health care systems is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer; wait times in each country are affected by various factors. In the United States, access to health care is primarily determined by whether a person has access to funding to pay for treatment and by the availability of services in the area and by willingness of the provider to deliver service at the price set by the insurer. In Canada the wait time is set according the availability of services in the area and by the relative need of the person needing treatment.

(let the bolded parts sink in just a little bit)

Snip

In a 2009 survey of physician appointment wait times in the United States, the average wait time for an appointment with an orthopaedic surgeon in country as a whole was 17 days. In Dallas, Texas the wait was 45 days (the longest wait being 365 days). Nationwide across the U.S. the average wait time to see a family doctor was 20 days. The average wait time to see a family practitioner in Los Angeles, California was 59 days and in Boston, Massachusetts it was 63 days.[57]

Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 57% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 23% in the U.S., but Canadians had more chances of getting medical attention at nights, or on weekends and holidays than their American neighbors without the need to visit an ER (54% compared to 61%).[58] Statistics from the Canadian free market think tank Fraser Institute in 2008 indicate that the average wait time between the time when a general practitioner refers a patient for care and the receipt of treatment was almost four and a half months in 2008, roughly double what it had been 15 years before.[59]

Comparison of the health care systems in Canada and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 
That is not you provding support. I'm waiting. :coffeepap

I can't believe you aren't familiar with the very bill that you say we can't live without.

SEC. 5210. ESTABLISHING A READY RESERVE CORPS. Section 203 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S.C. 204) is amended to read as follows: ‘‘SEC. 203. COMMISSIONED CORPS AND READY RESERVE CORPS. ‘‘(a) ESTABLISHMENT.— ‘‘(1) IN GENERAL.—There shall be in the Service a commissioned Regular Corps and a Ready Reserve Corps for service in time of national emergency. ‘‘(2) REQUIREMENT.—All commissioned officers shall be citizens of the United States and shall be appointed without regard to the civil-service laws and compensated without regard to the Classification Act of 1923, as amended. ‘‘(3) APPOINTMENT.—Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall be appointed by the President and commissioned officers of the Regular Corps shall be appointed by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate. ‘‘(4) ACTIVE DUTY.—Commissioned officers of the Ready Reserve Corps shall at all times be subject to call to active duty by the Surgeon General, including active duty for the purpose of training. ‘‘(5) WARRANT OFFICERS.—Warrant officers may be appointed to the Service for the purpose of providing support to the health and delivery systems maintained by the Service and any warrant officer appointed to the Service shall be considered for purposes of this Act and title 37, United States Code, to be a commission
 
I can't believe you aren't familiar with the very bill that you say we can't live without.

What you quote is not what you state. You say his personal army. You have not supported you claim. I'm still waiting. :coffeepap
 
What you quote is not what you state. You say his personal army. You have not supported you claim. I'm still waiting. :coffeepap

That's not what that is? Does this unit answer to congress? What's the need for it, since we already have a military force in place?
 
It will NOT cost $230 billion to repeal a bill that is not even in effect yet. Gimme a break.

And if it does, is there any more telling proof at how gawd-awful the federal government is with our money?
 
That's not what that is? Does this unit answer to congress? What's the need for it, since we already have a military force in place?

Read your quote:

by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

Again, you have misread and got the provision completely wrong. It is not what you claim. :coffeepap
 
Bottom line, you can't repeal it until you take over the Senate, too, and get rid of Obama.

If Americans want this gone, they have to fire Harry Reid as majority leader and get a president that won't veto the repeal.

In the meantime, the House can just defund the stupid thing.

The repeal of the Healthcare bill will be THE issue for 2012 in every district. The economy will rebound because companies are getting healthier after the massive layoffs they've had. Unemployment, however, will be a slow trickle back to reasonable levels.
 
Read your quote:

by the President with the advice and consent of the Senate.

Again, you have misread and got the provision completely wrong. It is not what you claim. :coffeepap

That only pertains to the commissioning of officers.

Again, how are we supposed to just accept this provision in the bill? Why would we--the people--go along with a para-military group that can be deployed within our borders, that doesn't answer to Congress?
 
CBC?


other therapeutic treatment had to wait 18.3 weeks

Read more: CBC News - Health - Wait times for surgery in Canada at all-time high: study


Let's do an overview:

One complaint about both the U.S. and Canadian health care systems is waiting times, whether for a specialist, major elective surgery, such as hip replacement, or specialized treatments, such as radiation for breast cancer; wait times in each country are affected by various factors. In the United States, access to health care is primarily determined by whether a person has access to funding to pay for treatment and by the availability of services in the area and by willingness of the provider to deliver service at the price set by the insurer. In Canada the wait time is set according the availability of services in the area and by the relative need of the person needing treatment.

(let the bolded parts sink in just a little bit)

Snip

In a 2009 survey of physician appointment wait times in the United States, the average wait time for an appointment with an orthopaedic surgeon in country as a whole was 17 days. In Dallas, Texas the wait was 45 days (the longest wait being 365 days). Nationwide across the U.S. the average wait time to see a family doctor was 20 days. The average wait time to see a family practitioner in Los Angeles, California was 59 days and in Boston, Massachusetts it was 63 days.[57]

Studies by the Commonwealth Fund found that 42% of Canadians waited 2 hours or more in the emergency room, vs. 29% in the U.S.; 57% waited 4 weeks or more to see a specialist, vs. 23% in the U.S., but Canadians had more chances of getting medical attention at nights, or on weekends and holidays than their American neighbors without the need to visit an ER (54% compared to 61%).[58] Statistics from the Canadian free market think tank Fraser Institute in 2008 indicate that the average wait time between the time when a general practitioner refers a patient for care and the receipt of treatment was almost four and a half months in 2008, roughly double what it had been 15 years before.[59]

Comparison of the health care systems in Canada and the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Let me get this straight..... you actually believe a source like Wikipedia, a reference that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can edit at any time, over The Canadian Press (CBC) on the subject of Canadian healthcare wait times ????

Your hyperpartisan blinders have slipped. They now cover your eyes completely.
 
It will NOT cost $230 billion to repeal a bill that is not even in effect yet. Gimme a break.

And if it does, is there any more telling proof at how gawd-awful the federal government is with our money?

Harvard Economist Estimates Health Repeal Would Destroy Up To 400,000 Jobs Per Year Over Decade
Just as House Republicans gear up to repeal the “job killing” Affordable Care Act, the Department of Labor is reporting that the U.S. economy added 103,000 jobs last month, pushing the jobless rate down to a 19-month low of 9.4 percent.

ThinkProgress » Harvard Economist Estimates Health Repeal Would Destroy Up To 400,000 Jobs Per Year Over Decade

Repealing healthcare reform, which the House plans to vote on next Wednesday, would raise the federal deficit by about $230 billion over the next decade and leave 32 million more Americans uninsured, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.

Repeal Would Cost $230B Over Next Decade, Congressional Budget Office Says | Hospital Financial and Business News

Cost of Repealing Health Care Reform Estimated at $230 Billion Over 10 Years - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Analysis: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion - CNN

The Price of Repealing the Affordable Care Act | HealthCare.gov

The principal budget scorekeeper on Capitol Hill estimated Thursday that repealing the health care overhaul could add about $230 billion to the federal deficit over the next 10 years, while acknowledging the figure is a rough estimate.

Budget Office Says Health Law Repeal Would Add $230B to Deficit, Boehner Disputes Findings - FoxNews.com
 
Let me get this straight..... you actually believe a source like Wikipedia, a reference that any Tom, Dick, or Harry can edit at any time, over The Canadian Press (CBC) on the subject of Canadian healthcare wait times ????

Your hyperpartisan blinders have slipped. They now cover your eyes completely.

It's just an overview. Nothing more, and no worse than other such source. And yes, I do for it's purpose, limited as it is, put it over the CBC. Not as bad as the Canadian free press mind you. ;)
 
That only pertains to the commissioning of officers.

Again, how are we supposed to just accept this provision in the bill? Why would we--the people--go along with a para-military group that can be deployed within our borders, that doesn't answer to Congress?

You again are not reading it correctly. I don't care to play reading teacher, but this is only something for help in emergencies, and not hsi personal army. You simply misread it.
 
It's just an overview. Nothing more, and no worse than other such source. And yes, I do for it's purpose, limited as it is, put it over the CBC. Not as bad as the Canadian free press mind you. ;)

I think giving Wiki credence over almost any other source tells more about you than you can imagine. I could go on Wiki right now and change that article to state that Canadian wait times are averaging 6 years. Would you then treat Wike as gospel and use it as your source ??? Wiki is useful only for general information. Any controversial subject is best left to other sources, at least by reasonable people.
 
You again are not reading it correctly. I don't care to play reading teacher, but this is only something for help in emergencies, and not hsi personal army. You simply misread it.

Well, either way. The fact that this section is even in the bill is proof positive that bill needs to be repealed, or at least dismantled. Not to mention that 3/4 of the American people want the bill repealed. I know how Libbos are all about the will of the people.
 
Harvard Economist Estimates Health Repeal Would Destroy Up To 400,000 Jobs Per Year Over Decade
Just as House Republicans gear up to repeal the “job killing” Affordable Care Act, the Department of Labor is reporting that the U.S. economy added 103,000 jobs last month, pushing the jobless rate down to a 19-month low of 9.4 percent.

ThinkProgress » Harvard Economist Estimates Health Repeal Would Destroy Up To 400,000 Jobs Per Year Over Decade

Repealing healthcare reform, which the House plans to vote on next Wednesday, would raise the federal deficit by about $230 billion over the next decade and leave 32 million more Americans uninsured, according to a report by the Congressional Budget Office.

Repeal Would Cost $230B Over Next Decade, Congressional Budget Office Says | Hospital Financial and Business News

Cost of Repealing Health Care Reform Estimated at $230 Billion Over 10 Years - Political Hotsheet - CBS News

Analysis: Health care repeal will cost $230 billion - CNN

The Price of Repealing the Affordable Care Act | HealthCare.gov

The principal budget scorekeeper on Capitol Hill estimated Thursday that repealing the health care overhaul could add about $230 billion to the federal deficit over the next 10 years, while acknowledging the figure is a rough estimate.

Budget Office Says Health Law Repeal Would Add $230B to Deficit, Boehner Disputes Findings - FoxNews.com

Do you actually believe that giving links to five stories about the CBO report gives you any credibility???
 
Well, either way. The fact that this section is even in the bill is proof positive that bill needs to be repealed, or at least dismantled. Not to mention that 3/4 of the American people want the bill repealed. I know how Libbos are all about the will of the people.

Explain why? It's nto a personal army. It is for antional emergenices, like say 9/11 or Katrina, congress and the surgeon general have say in it, exactly what do you think would happen?
 
Do you actually believe that giving links to five stories about the CBO report gives you any credibility???

Seems to work for the Prof. ;)

But, it shows that this is reported across the board, meaning there will likely be some cost associated with repealing it. Won't debate exactly how much, ans differing factors may effect it long term. But I think we can say it will be costly, especially if congress gives no sugegstionas to how they will pay for it, or limit the effect.
 
Explain why? It's nto a personal army. It is for antional emergenices, like say 9/11 or Katrina, congress and the surgeon general have say in it, exactly what do you think would happen?


We already have law enforcement and the military. Why creat another org?
 
I think giving Wiki credence over almost any other source tells more about you than you can imagine. I could go on Wiki right now and change that article to state that Canadian wait times are averaging 6 years. Would you then treat Wike as gospel and use it as your source ??? Wiki is useful only for general information. Any controversial subject is best left to other sources, at least by reasonable people.

Mostly, you're not getting what is being said. It is just an overview source. Not the end all. Nor should it be seen as such. but, for what it does, it's as good as any such source.
 
Explain why? It's nto a personal army. It is for antional emergenices, like say 9/11 or Katrina, congress and the surgeon general have say in it, exactly what do you think would happen?

What's wrong with the National Guard that is already in place and normally used in internal national emergencies ???

Why create a new bureaucracy ??
 
We already have law enforcement and the military. Why creat another org?

Would you suggest we couldn't have used more help during Katrina? The military is a tad over taxed at the moment, and law enforement has it's own struggles.

But go on. Explain further.
 
Mostly, you're not getting what is being said. It is just an overview source. Not the end all. Nor should it be seen as such. but, for what it does, it's as good as any such source.

As good as a local source ??? As good as a non-biased source ??

I don't think so. You only think so because it mirrors your own perceptions.
 
What's wrong with the National Guard that is already in place and normally used in internal national emergencies ???

Why create a new bureaucracy ??

Aren't heavily involved in our wars?
 
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