Sixth-Grade Girl Has Date in Court After Writing in Wet Cement

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MrVicchio said:

Wherein did I say that?

There is a difference, between wet cement, a fascination to children the world over, and getting your hands on a can of spray paint and vandalizing property.

You're now trying to alter the subject with further distortions of what I said and why. Are you that incapable of being honest?

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Well of course there's a difference. Apparently one cost your uncle a lot of money and one you don't have any connection to.

It's the same exact action. The only difference is in the dollar value of the damage. Is that what you teach your kids? It's okay to shoplift a candy bar, but not a coat?

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MrVicchio said:

Who do you think removes that filth from municipal property? The Graffiti fairy?

And businesses. My Uncles business got tagged about three years ago, the entire back of the place sprayed. Cost him 20k to have it removed and painted over. He had to raise prices in the store to cover the loss.

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Ok, I see what you mean. I recognize that graffiti is costly, but it is also a part of our culture. I figure it is the cost of doing business. Perhaps your uncle should relocate. As far as munipal property goes, I think it brightens up an otherwise drab presentation, with statements about politics, environment and urban culture. The government should pay the graffiti artists to do what they do.

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reefedjib said:

Ok, I see what you mean. I recognize that graffiti is costly, but it is also a part of our culture. I figure it is the cost of doing business. Perhaps your uncle should relocate. As far as munipal property goes, I think it brightens up an otherwise drab presentation, with statements about politics, environment and urban culture. The government should pay the graffiti artists to do what they do.

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probably needs to be another thread, but how do you feel about graffiti which marks gang territory

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Kelzie said:

Well of course there's a difference. Apparently one cost your uncle a lot of money and one you don't have any connection to.

It's the same exact action. The only difference is in the dollar value of the damage. Is that what you teach your kids? It's okay to shoplift a candy bar, but not a coat?

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Sigh

You're a very dishonest person, and are now further taking the discussion away from what I said and asked you to apologize for lying about, into your own false absurdities to try and avoid admitting your lied about what I said.

I never said what these children did wasn't wrong. I said what the police did was over reacted. I used this thing called common sense, and practical judgment. Kids + Wet Cement = names and initials and dates.

The appropriate response would be for the police to have told them they were doing something wrong, send them on their way and call the folks that laid the cement to smooth it over. If they were REALLY worked up about it, ccall the parents to pick the kids up at the scene and have a talk with the kids about it.

Making them "write an essay" is stupid, I'd of told the officer to **** off personally.

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justabubba said:

probably needs to be another thread, but how do you feel about graffiti which marks gang territory

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It's tribal. I don't have any first hand experience of it. It is a symptom of the existence of gangs. The reasons for the existence of gangs seem to be broad and varied: lack of job opportunities, disdain for education, living in rough neighborhoods with other gangs, making money selling drugs, sticking together with your mates, controlled violence. How do you address those issues to fix a graffiti problem?

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reefedjib said:

It's tribal. I don't have any first hand experience of it. It is a symptom of the existence of gangs. The reasons for the existence of gangs seem to be broad and varied: lack of job opportunities, disdain for education, living in rough neighborhoods with other gangs, making money selling drugs, sticking together with your mates, controlled violence. How do you address those issues to fix a graffiti problem?

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It's a cultural problem.

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MrVicchio said:

Sigh

You're a very dishonest person, and are now further taking the discussion away from what I said and asked you to apologize for lying about, into your own false absurdities to try and avoid admitting your lied about what I said.

I never said what these children did wasn't wrong. I said what the police did was over reacted. I used this thing called common sense, and practical judgment. Kids + Wet Cement = names and initials and dates.

The appropriate response would be for the police to have told them they were doing something wrong, send them on their way and call the folks that laid the cement to smooth it over. If they were REALLY worked up about it, ccall the parents to pick the kids up at the scene and have a talk with the kids about it.

Making them "write an essay" is stupid, I'd of told the officer to **** off personally.

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I feel like maybe you are not aware of the definition of a "lie" or "dishonesty." I've found Dictionary and Thesaurus - Merriam-Webster Online to be very helpful when I'm not sure what a word means. On the slight chance that you are aware of the correct definition of those words, you are welcome to point out where I have either lied or been dishonest.

Kids+spray can=graffiti on your uncle's building. Should they have just been sent on their way too?

These kids learned a valuable lesson of the consequences of illegal activities. They got a scare, some futher punishments and were sent on their way.

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American said:

Is this the way you handle your own children?

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My kid's still gestating at the moment so I haven't had the opportunity to use the "put the kid to work fixing that which they ****ed up" approach with him just yet, but I plan on using many of the same methods my father employed with my own kids. I think it taught me quite a bit about the value of property and hard work.

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MrVicchio said:

And that's where you and I differ.

If these were OLDER kids, like 15 and up... I'd agree. These were 6th graders, fascinated with wet cement. It wasn't criminal mischief, it was judgment lacking kids having fun.

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I was once a sixth grader who was facinated with fire. I went to a friend's house and we started burning GI Joe guys in his backyard. Man was that fun. Luckily, I was smart enough to have a hose handy when we were doing it, because we barely got the fire out before it destroyed his parent's garage.

I ended up getting off lucky. My old man made me work most of that summer cleaning up construction sites in order to get enough money to replace the garage door (which was damaged while me and my friend were having fun).

There was NO NEED to haul them to the station, no need for any of this BS.

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It's not BS, it's criminal damage to property. Just because you did it when you were a kid doesn't mean it was right.

Proper solution, talk to the kids, explain what they did was wrong, call the folks that laid the cement to smooth out the names and end of story.

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It doesn't work that way. First, it's very time-sensitive. The peopel who poured the sidewalk are probably working on another job and won't be able to drop everything in order to come out and refinish it, plus it's probably dried too much for a proper refinish anyway, unless th ekids showed up immediately after it was poured.

More likely, it'll be too dry to just repair by the time someone shows up, and any attempt to repair it will look roughshod and will end up chipping and getting all ****ed up.

In order to do a proper job, it'll more than likely require replacing an entire section between the expansion joints of th edamaged portion of the sidewalk.

It's often a whole lot easier to get graffiti off of a wall than it is to repair this kind of vandalism.

Maybe even find out who the parents are and call them to pick their kids up at the scene to teach a lesson.

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**** that. You talk about wasting resources and then expect the cops to sit around babysitting while a bunch of parents get to gether to meet their kids out by th escene of the crime? It's a hell of a lot more efficeint financially for the cops to bring th ekids back to teh station to call their parents and then teh cops are not wasting their time baby sitting and they can get back to doing important stuff.

My problem here is over reaction by the police. Period.

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The cops had exactly the right reaction. Tax dollars shouldn't go towards babysitting these kids while their parents come from god knows where to pick them up, and children who commit crimes should not simply be let go on their own recognizance.

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Gardener said:

but what if they are children of those who make simple mided sweeping generalizations?

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Same thing as those who can't spell. :mrgreen:

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MrVicchio said:

You like higher taxes and cost of buying things??? /boggle.

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It seems you do. After all, it is the taxpayers who are going to pay for the repair to the sidewalk if the parents don't pay up for the damage.

What the little girl did might seem cute, but it was on someone else's property. If her father believes that this is so adorable, then he should give her a tool that she can use on THEIR cement (driveway, walkway, etc).

Dad: It's OK, she's not hurting anybody.

Observer: Then why are you spanking her, dad? :mrgreen:

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danarhea said:

It seems you do. After all, it is the taxpayers who are going to pay for the repair to the sidewalk if the parents don't pay up for the damage.

What the little girl did might seem cute, but it was on someone else's property. If her father believes that this is so adorable, then he should give her a tool that she can use on THEIR cement (driveway, walkway, etc).

Dad: It's OK, she's not hurting anybody.

Observer: Then why are you spanking her, dad? :mrgreen:

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Oh hey, troll has come in. I've all ready said to fix this, the police should have called the folks that laid the sidewalk and smooth it. NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, the fine had nothing to do with repair "the damage". It's amazing how easy it is to fix WET cement.

But you couldn't resist ignoring everything said to focus in for a "hypocrite" claim. Typical, pathetic, expected, debunked and slammed into oblivion as it should be.

Really, you should stick to threads that your opinion matters in, and stop making a horses rear of yourself trying to be cute and land khewl khid points. Cause you're just :failpail:

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MrVicchio said:

Oh hey, troll has come in. I've all ready said to fix this, the police should have called the folks that laid the sidewalk and smooth it. NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, the fine had nothing to do with repair "the damage". It's amazing how easy it is to fix WET cement.

But you couldn't resist ignoring everything said to focus in for a "hypocrite" claim. Typical, pathetic, expected, debunked and slammed into oblivion as it should be.

Really, you should stick to threads that your opinion matters in, and stop making a horses rear of yourself trying to be cute and land khewl khid points. Cause you're just :failpail:

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Seriously guy, how are you going to troll your own thread? Your position has been shown to be completely illogical numerous times, but instead of avoiding the thread like most people do when the run out of things to say, you accuse others who are actually contributing of being trolls and dishonest.

Were you just looking for a circle jerk when you started this thread? Sorry you didn't get one.

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MrVicchio said:

I've all ready said to fix this, the police should have called the folks that laid the sidewalk and smooth it. NOT THAT BIG A DEAL, the fine had nothing to do with repair "the damage". It's amazing how easy it is to fix WET cement.

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And I've already pointed out that your "solution" is complete nonsense because it doesn't work like that.

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Kelzie said:

Seriously guy, how are you going to troll your own thread? Your position has been shown to be completely illogical numerous times, but instead of avoiding the thread like most people do when the run out of things to say, you accuse others who are actually contributing of being trolls and dishonest.

Were you just looking for a circle jerk when you started this thread? Sorry you didn't get one.

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You LIED about where I stood and what I said and you have the audacity to come in here and attempt to chastise me?

Hello McFly? Anyone home?

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Tucker Case said:

And I've already pointed out that your "solution" is complete nonsense because it doesn't work like that.

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Yeah, we know where you stand Tucker. We have a difference of opinion on how to handle this.

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MrVicchio said:

Yeah, we know where you stand Tucker. We have a difference of opinion on how to handle this.

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Yes, but regardless of our difference of opinion, my expereince in the concrete trade means I know for a fact that your solution of "calling the guys who did it to come and smoothe it out" is pure nonsense.

It just doesn't work like that.

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Tucker Case said:

Yes, but regardless of our difference of opinion, my expereince in the concrete trade means I know for a fact that your solution of "calling the guys who did it to come and smoothe it out" is pure nonsense.

It just doesn't work like that.

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Depends on how wet the cement is now doesn't it.

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It's cases like this that reaffirm my support for the death penalty.

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MrVicchio said:

Depends on how wet the cement is now doesn't it.

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It also depends on how busy the guys who did the cement are, how fast they can get back there, and if they are willing to drop everything and come back. More often than not, it's going to be too late by teh time it can be finished and any attempt to fix it is going to look like ****.

See, concrete can be wet enough to write on, but too dry to finish. Typically, this is when it gets written on because when it's still wet enough to finish, there's usually someone around.

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Tucker Case said:

It also depends on how busy the guys who did the cement are, how fast they can get back there, and if they are willing to drop everything and come back. More often than not, it's going to be too late by teh time it can be finished and any attempt to fix it is going to look like ****.

See, concrete can be wet enough to write on, but too dry to finish. Typically, this is when it gets written on because when it's still wet enough to finish, there's usually someone around.

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Tucker, that might be entirely true. And I have not ONCE argued that what they did was "wrong". I offered a possible solution, and all you can do is tell me "no, can't be done because what if what if what if..."
What if it was fresh enough? What if the damage was light?

Hmm?

Which is a the better solution, haul 6th graders to jail or call the work team to have a go at fixing the cement?

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MrVicchio said:

You LIED about where I stood and what I said and you have the audacity to come in here and attempt to chastise me?

Hello McFly? Anyone home?

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What did I lie about exactly? It'd be really helpful if you could point out the post.

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MrVicchio said:

Tucker, that might be entirely true. And I have not ONCE argued that what they did was "wrong". I offered a possible solution, and all you can do is tell me "no, can't be done because what if what if what if..."
What if it was fresh enough? What if the damage was light?

Hmm?

Which is a the better solution, haul 6th graders to jail or call the work team to have a go at fixing the cement?

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Lord spare us the drama. They didn't go to jail.

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MrVicchio said:

Tucker, that might be entirely true. And I have not ONCE argued that what they did was "wrong". I offered a possible solution, and all you can do is tell me "no, can't be done because what if what if what if..."

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there's no "might". It's the odds on favorite to be true. and I'm not the one dealing with what if's here, Vic. I'm dealing with reality bred form expereince in teh trade. Your only argumetn is if there are a certain unliekly set of What ifs in place

What if it was fresh enough? What if the damage was light?

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As I said, that's a cerain set of unlikely "what if's". It owuld only be possible to refinish adequately if the damage was done almost immediately after it was finished (like within 15-20 minutes) and then the guy who finished it could get back within about the same amount of time. Otherwise, it's not going to work right. And even then, the chances are that it will be too set to refinish.

Now, when you add in the time it would take the cops to track down the guys who did the concrete, the odds fo getting this fixed are slim to none.

Hmm?

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Like I said, your solution was nonsense. I know it becuase I've done it. Just because you can imagine a solution which you think is better doesn't mean it isn't nonsense that can't be done in reality.

Which is a the better solution, haul 6th graders to jail or call the work team to have a go at fixing the cement?

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Haul the 6th graders to the station and stop trying to excuse their criminal behavior as being no big deal when in truth you don't know how big of a deal it is. You think that it's just a matter of having the magic concrete fairy show up and smoothing everything out, but that's just silly and unrealistic.

Quite frrankly, it's often much easier to clean up graffiti than it is to repair this kind of damge to concrete, which is why it tends to stay there without being repaired.

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Pretty sad when kids are considered criminals for being kids. Use to be a time when people would at worst shake thier heads at this and just move on. At best laugh and move on. Either way it was forgotten pretty quickly. Only times the kids would actually get into trouble is if they intentionally did MAJOR damage. Putting ones initials in concrete was never considered major.

Now though...its as bad as stealing and assault. :roll: