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Obama aide: Debt limit fight could be "catastrophic"

If November was about curbing federal spending and reducing the national debt, then defaulting on our obligations is an odd way of doing it. All that achieves at best is increasing the cost of borrowing henceforward creating more indebtedness not less. Want to curb federal spending and reduce the national debt? Use the federal budget.

“We have to raise the debt ceiling because of the prolific spending habits of past Congresses and of course we are the new Congress that will change those patterns.” — Dick Armey¹
 
That's Obama's plan. My plan doesn't require anyone to die.

Please prove that Obama's plan is to kill old people.

Raise taxes on the young. They won't realize what's happening to them. They're like dumb beasts.

Wow. You really need to get out more and talk to young people who are politically inclined. We are not "dumb beasts" and I find it insulting that you'd call them that.
 
Please prove that Obama's plan is to kill old people.



Wow. You really need to get out more and talk to young people who are politically inclined. We are not "dumb beasts" and I find it insulting that you'd call them that.

My generation has consumed most of your generation's economic opportunities by borrowing. As a result, your generation will enjoy a lower average standard of living than my generation. If I were a member of your generation I would be at the barricades fighting back. Instead, your generation continues to dream while it finances my generation's entitlements. Thanks for the beer and pizza.
 
If November was about curbing federal spending and reducing the national debt, then defaulting on our obligations is an odd way of doing it. All that achieves at best is increasing the cost of borrowing henceforward creating more indebtedness not less. Want to curb federal spending and reduce the national debt? Use the federal budget.

“We have to raise the debt ceiling because of the prolific spending habits of past Congresses and of course we are the new Congress that will change those patterns.” — Dick Armey¹

We have a couple more months before that has to happen. Without a plan to cut spending which by the way is coming, approving an increase in the debt ceiling now is just as worthless as all other previous increases. What exactly did the Democrat controlled Congress do to cut spending the last 4 years?
 
Please prove that Obama's plan is to kill old people.


Well, you could take his own words when he speaks of giving grandma a pill for pain rather than that expensive other treatment, or you could view any number of his Czar's statements on the matter, including, but not limited to Dr. Emmanuel's book on the matter.

Plan, maybe not in hard fast terms, but as an unwritten matter, absolutely.

Wow. You really need to get out more and talk to young people who are politically inclined. We are not "dumb beasts" and I find it insulting that you'd call them that.


Well, as the saying goes....'Some men are wise, some men are otherwise.'


j-mac
 
Well, you could take his own words when he speaks of giving grandma a pill for pain rather than that expensive other treatment, or you could view any number of his Czar's statements on the matter, including, but not limited to Dr. Emmanuel's book on the matter.

Plan, maybe not in hard fast terms, but as an unwritten matter, absolutely.




Well, as the saying goes....'Some men are wise, some men are otherwise.'


j-mac
you will of course provide proof that obama plans to kill 'grandma'.... and '..maybe not in hard fast terms , but as an unwritten matter....' what a load of bs...translation, he didnt say it, you have no proof he said anything of the sort, but lets throw it out there and see if it sticks. you should be ashamed of yourself, seriously
 
you will of course provide proof that obama plans to kill 'grandma'.... and '..maybe not in hard fast terms , but as an unwritten matter....' what a load of bs...translation, he didnt say it, you have no proof he said anything of the sort, but lets throw it out there and see if it sticks. you should be ashamed of yourself, seriously


Me? I haven't seen you tap, tap, tap back into the NYC snow thread since articles were posted that makes your backing look foolish. In any case....




Obama in his own words....Next!


j-mac
 
Obama isn't going to kill grandma. Obama is going to persuade grandma that it's her duty to her grandchildren for her to go when it's time.
 
Obama isn't going to kill grandma. Obama is going to persuade grandma that it's her duty to her grandchildren for her to go when it's time.


To which I am sure some will welcome depending on the inheritence.


j-mac
 
Me? I haven't seen you tap, tap, tap back into the NYC snow thread since articles were posted that makes your backing look foolish. In any case....




Obama in his own words....Next!


j-mac
nowhere in that video did obama say anything about killing grandma....grow up...as for the other thread, i proved my point, and you even helped prove it for me...you know squat about unions, other that what is being spoon fed to you those who are anti union.
 
Obama: not always a fan of upping the debt ceiling

Here are Obama’s thoughts on the debt limit in 2006, when he voted against increasing the ceiling:

The fact that we are here today to debate raising America’s debt limit is a sign of leadership failure. It is a sign that the U.S. Government can’t pay its own bills. It is a sign that we now depend on ongoing financial assistance from foreign countries to finance our Government’s reckless fiscal policies. … Increasing America’s debt weakens us domestically and internationally. Leadership means that ‘the buck stops here. Instead, Washington is shifting the burden of bad choices today onto the backs of our children and grandchildren. America has a debt problem and a failure of leadership. Americans deserve better.​

In 2007 and in 2008, when the Senate voted to increase the limit by $850 billion and $800 billion respectively, Obama did not bother to vote. (He did vote for TARP, which increased the debt limit by $700 billion.)
 
Well, you could take his own words when he speaks of giving grandma a pill for pain rather than that expensive other treatment, or you could view any number of his Czar's statements on the matter, including, but not limited to Dr. Emmanuel's book on the matter.

Plan, maybe not in hard fast terms, but as an unwritten matter, absolutely.
j-mac

And your going to provide actual proof of this when?
 
But Obama promised America it was a new day......................

That's the nature of politics, too. Promise a new day, change, everything will be better, anything. Once elected, of course, it's a lot harder to deliver. Do you think those freshman representatives who have promised to make such monumental changes will be able to follow through?
 
Such is the nature of must-pass legislation; people vote against it after assuring themselves that there's enough votes to pass it.

The Republicans control the House; it's their turn to govern responsibly; it is Mr. Boehner's task to make sure this must-pass legislation gets passed.

So, are you just making things up to help you justify your belief in Obama, or can you find some actual evidence that Obama only voted against it (or didn't vote at all) because he knew it had enough votes to pass? Based on his statement at the time of his vote not to increase the debt ceiling, I would tend to think you're just making it up as you go along.
 
So, are you just making things up to help you justify your belief in Obama, or can you find some actual evidence that Obama only voted against it (or didn't vote at all) because he knew it had enough votes to pass? Based on his statement at the time of his vote not to increase the debt ceiling, I would tend to think you're just making it up as you go along.

Why anyone continues to support Obama is beyond me. What exactly has Obama done that anyone can really be proud of and has made this country better. The elections of Nov. 2010 say that the majority gotthe answer right, too bad some never will
 
That's the nature of politics, too. Promise a new day, change, everything will be better, anything. Once elected, of course, it's a lot harder to deliver. Do you think those freshman representatives who have promised to make such monumental changes will be able to follow through?

Democrats and socialists are good at incrementalism, Republicans need to learn the concept and I believe will. You eat an elephant one bite at a time. The New Republican controlled House will take it one step at a time. Going to be fun to watch.
 
And your going to provide actual proof of this when?

I already have. When he told that woman that maybe her 100 + year old gramdma would be better off taking a pain pill, what do you believe he was talking about?


j-mac
 
And your going to provide actual proof of this when?

j-mac doesn't believe in proof and facts and evidence.... much too time consuming.

running one's mouth, regurgitating Glenn Beck talking points is easier. Look at his hero, Sarah Palin.
 
Do you have any proof and facts and evidence to support ths statement of yours, Hazlnut?

I have never seen a liberal offer proof of anything but they have offered a lot of opinions and feelings that they pass off as fact. Words matter to a liberal more than actual results.
 
I already have. When he told that woman that maybe her 100 + year old gramdma would be better off taking a pain pill, what do you believe he was talking about?


j-mac

You said


Well, you could take his own words when he speaks of giving grandma a pill for pain rather than that expensive other treatment, or you could view any number of his Czar's statements on the matter, including, but not limited to Dr. Emmanuel's book on the matter.

Plan, maybe not in hard fast terms, but as an unwritten matter, absolutely.




Well, as the saying goes....'Some men are wise, some men are otherwise.'


j-mac

He was talking about getting rid of unnecessary practices and tests that studies show have no health value whatsoever. He said nothing about killing her.
 
j-mac doesn't believe in proof and facts and evidence.... much too time consuming.

running one's mouth, regurgitating Glenn Beck talking points is easier. Look at his hero, Sarah Palin.


Ah Hazlnut, Beck must really get under your skin....:lamo I think that's great. Anyway, here is something I am sure that if you did read it, you ignored it. And probably will continue to ignore anything that doesn't line up with your view on the matter.

Oh, and this is open to the other libs too, just be sure to remove the blinders before reading.

Would the healthcare reform legislation that President Obama plans to sign into law on Tuesday affect seniors in any direct way?

The short answer is “yes.”


Healthcare 101: What the bill means to you

The longer answer is that some seniors may lose Medicare benefits they now enjoy. Many others will gain from an enhancement of Medicare’s prescription-drug program.

Here are some specifics on these changes:

Medicare cuts

Under the healthcare reform bill, government payments to Medicare Advantage – plans that are run by private insurers such as Humana and are an alternative to traditional Medicare – will be cut by $132 billion over 10 years. (Those plans currently get somewhat more per person from the government than traditional Medicare does.)

Medicare Advantage plans often offer extra benefits that seniors in traditional Medicare don’t get. It is possible that these extras will be dropped as Medicare Advantage plans feel a budget squeeze.

In most areas of the United States, this reduction will be phased in over three years, beginning in 2011, although in some places it will take longer.

The bill does not contain cuts to traditional Medicare benefits. However, Medicare payments for home healthcare would be reduced by $40 billion between now and 2019. And certain payments to hospitals would be cut by $22 billion over that same period.

Health care reform bill 101: What does it mean for seniors? - CSMonitor.com


I am positive that will make seniors healthier.....Aren't you?


j-mac
 
Ah Hazlnut, Beck must really get under your skin....:lamo I think that's great. Anyway, here is something I am sure that if you did read it, you ignored it. And probably will continue to ignore anything that doesn't line up with your view on the matter.

Oh, and this is open to the other libs too, just be sure to remove the blinders before reading.




I am positive that will make seniors healthier.....Aren't you?


j-mac

Well he did collude with the insurance industry in making his healthcare bill, but you still have not proved that Obama wants to kill people, only that he wants to give them up to the insurance industry's mercy.
 
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