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G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

donc said:
I’ve shown you in more than one thread that the VA delivers healthcare at a cost that is much less than any private sector can deliver it at. Why should I repeat myself yet again?
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The VA doesn't serve 308 million Americans which is what a single payer will have to do. The VA isn't available to non military or veterans so that is a poor comparison. Why don't you address something more realistic, Medicare and Medicaid? Neither are success stories and neither cost what was projected yet today you continue to ignore history.
 
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The VA doesn't serve 308 million Americans which is what a single payer will have to do. The VA isn't available to non military or veterans so that is a poor comparison.
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That could be addressed before 2014 and at a lot less cost than this so-called plan.
 
donc said:
That could be addressed before 2014 and at a lot less cost than this so-called plan.
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How do you know it can be address since you won't address previous failures. There is nothing in history to support your position. It is liberal arrogance that leads people to believe that this group of liberals can do better than previous groups of liberals in implementing a social program that costs what is projected. CBO has never been right on their projections that far out. They are overestimating how much tax revenue will be collected. CBO only takes the assumptions given them by the Congress and run the numbers. If the assumptions are wrong, the projections are wrong. The CBO admits that they have seldom been right on any program past two years. What are you willing to wager that they won't be wrong on this issue and if they are wrong, then what?
 
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How do you know it can be address since you won't address previous failures.
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What previous failures in the VA are you talking about?


There is nothing in history to support your position.
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Sure there is but you ignored it before in a previous thread, so why should I post it again?
:roll:
 
j-mac said:
Of course there are plenty of liberal business people. They sure must live a dichotomy of reality between self loathing over being successful in business, and holding the mantra that business is greed. No wonder they are always so angry.


j-mac
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Same challenge, j-mac. If I find a liberal who is both a sucess at business, and is not angry at this, will you concede that YOUR statement is nothing more than ridiculous hyperpartisan hackery?
 
donc said:
What previous failures in the VA are you talking about?


Sure there is but you ignored it before in a previous thread, so why should I post it again?
:roll:
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You are dancing again, didn't respond to the post at all. There aren't 308 million in the VA. A better comparison is with Medicare and Medicaid. Keep diverting.
 
j-mac said:
Of course there are plenty of liberal business people. They sure must live a dichotomy of reality between self loathing over being successful in business, and holding the mantra that business is greed. No wonder they are always so angry.


j-mac
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That's like saying why are GOP senators always getting head in airport bathrooms...

...which might explain why the pages of the constitution stuck together.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Same challenge, j-mac. If I find a liberal who is both a sucess at business, and is not angry at this, will you concede that YOUR statement is nothing more than ridiculous hyperpartisan hackery?
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Forget it Cap....its a lost cause, your fighten windmills in these two cases.:(
 
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donc said:
Forget it Cap....its a lost cause, your fighten windmills in these two cases.:(
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What does a liberal in business have to do with the liberals in the Administration that have never held a private sector job and are imposing their leftwing agenda on the rest of us? Why don't you ask yourself the question if these "happy" liberal business owners are so happy why are liberal politicians trying to destroy the very principles upon which these liberal business people generated their successes? When you punish success don't you punish successful liberal business owners as well?
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Same challenge, j-mac. If I find a liberal who is both a sucess at business, and is not angry at this, will you concede that YOUR statement is nothing more than ridiculous hyperpartisan hackery?
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Depends on what kind of business that Liberal owns. There's probably lots of Liberal business operators that own green businesses that are pleased as punch over Obama's agenda. Finding a few Liberal business owners, that aren't pissed off at Obama's policies, doesn't really prove much.
 
Conservative said:
What does a liberal in business have to do with the liberals in the Administration that have never held a private sector job and are imposing their leftwing agenda on the rest of us? Why don't you ask yourself the question if these "happy" liberal business owners are so happy why are liberal politicians trying to destroy the very principles upon which these liberal business people generated their successes? When you punish success don't you punish successful liberal business owners as well?
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no. they get to opt-out of Obamacare, remember? :)
 
ladies and gentlemen, i rest my case.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Let me just add to my previous post that I think charities would probably move in to fill the gaps for most of those that truly can’t afford health insurance.
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Like they've done so far?
 
upsideguy said:
...because it is not a real news organization..... Real news organizations REPORT the news, they try to create the news....
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Good topic.

Give an example of a real news organization, then - and you can't mention MSNBC :)
 
UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News

Prime Minister David Cameron on Monday waded into terrain where past British governments have foundered, promising fundamental changes to the country's expensive and over-stressed public health care system.

Cameron said the reforms would cut red tape and improve treatment, but critics claim they will cause chaos and could lead to backdoor privatization of the much-criticized but widely popular National Health Service.

The British leader, whose Conservative Party heads the country's coalition government, said he would save money and cut red tape by giving control over management to family practitioners rather than bureaucrats, and allow private companies, charities and social enterprises to bid for contracts within the public health service.

Making health care more efficient has proved an elusive goal for successive British governments. The previous Labour administration vowed to reduce waiting times for treatment, and succeeded — but at the cost, say critics, of wasteful bureaucracy.

In a speech outlining the government's plans to overhaul public services, Cameron promised to get rid of "topdown, command-and-control bureaucracy and targets." He said that with an aging population and growing demand for new medical treatments, "pretending that there is some easy option of sticking with the status quo and hoping that a little bit of extra money will smooth over the challenges is a complete fiction."
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it takes a long time to turn a ship as big as an EU member economy

the french, english and germans are a couple years ahead of the united states, which only began its 180 degree redirection on nov 2

the house will vote to REPEAL obamacare on wednesday

it will likely stall upstairs

but then we'll lop at the leviathan piece by piece

we'll start with the individual mandate, with senator mccaskill of missouri already on our side

McCaskill moves away from mandate - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

in the fall, the show me's voted 71% for measure c to kill the pernicious provision

and without the mandate the entire obamacare unravels

if mccaskill comes over, what do you think will be the disposition of senators considerably to her center on health care, like ben nelson, kent conrad, jon tester, joe manchin, jim webb, joe lieberman?

the uk may be ahead of us, here, but we're catching up

the catch phrase is AUSTERITY
 
The Prof said:
UK Government Plans Major Health Care Reform - ABC News



it takes a long time to turn a ship as big as an EU member economy

the french, english and germans are a couple years ahead of the united states, which only began its 180 degree redirection on nov 2

the house will vote to REPEAL obamacare on wednesday

it will likely stall upstairs

but then we'll lop at the leviathan piece by piece

we'll start with the individual mandate, with senator mccaskill of missouri already on our side

McCaskill moves away from mandate - David Catanese - POLITICO.com

in the fall, the show me's voted 71% for measure c to kill the pernicious provision

and without the mandate the entire obamacare unravels

if mccaskill comes over, what do you think will be the disposition of senators considerably to her center on health care, like ben nelson, kent conrad, jon tester, joe manchin, jim webb, joe lieberman?

the uk may be ahead of us, here, but we're catching up

the catch phrase is AUSTERITY
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Now, now, Boo isn't going to like that nor is he going to like this

Tick, tick, tick: The cost of Obamacare is a time bomb | Timothy P. Carney | Politics | Washington Examiner
 
Boo Radley said:
Why not? Did any one read it?

Look, I know posting links without any understanding of what is posted seems to be a popular habit for some, but nothing there disputes anything I've argued. Try again.
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Understand it and you completely, it is all about access with you and the hell with the cost. This bill gives access just like MA did but at an increased cost and without improvement in quality. It doesn't matter to you as to the cost as long as somone else pays and the ignorant part of that is you are included in making those payments that drive up costs, do nothing to improve quality, and doesn't improve quality.

You cannot sell your own state therefore you want to force your ideologue on the rest of the country. You are in for a costly disappointment.
 
Deuce said:
I hope they also plan to allow hospitals to turn away ER patients who can't afford to pay. You know, since paying for the healthcare of others is so terrible for us. If we're not going to do it efficiently, maybe we should stop doing it.
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Every Dems that voted for that piece of **** without reading it (likely everyone), should get a life sentence in prison and lose their pension. You don't even know what was in it. That alone is good reason to repeal it.
 
American said:
Every Dems that voted for that piece of **** without reading it (likely everyone), should get a life sentence in prison and lose their pension. You don't even know what was in it. That alone is good reason to repeal it.
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It really must frost your pumpkin to know that nothing the House does on this matter means a hill of beans. This is the ultimate in a futile gesture attempted by the impotent.
 
haymarket said:
It really must frost your pumpkin to know that nothing the House does on this matter means a hill of beans. This is the ultimate in a futile gesture attempted by the impotent.
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You and the rest of the Obama supporters have offered nothing to support Obamacare and tell us how it will lower costs and improve quality. Obama says it is good and you buy it. Doesn't matter that Obama hasn't been accurate on any prediction yet.
 
Conservative said:
You and the rest of the Obama supporters have offered nothing to support Obamacare and tell us how it will lower costs and improve quality. Obama says it is good and you buy it. Doesn't matter that Obama hasn't been accurate on any prediction yet.
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But it really must frustrate you to know that the law is already passed and you have emotionally and intellectually invested so heavilly in opposing it and all this repeal talk is just a impotent gesture that is meaningless in the end.
 
haymarket said:
But it really must frustrate you to know that the law is already passed and you have emotionally and intellectually invested so heavilly in opposing it and all this repeal talk is just a impotent gesture that is meaningless in the end.
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It frustrates me that an Administration who claimed it would be the most transparent in history has failed on every piece of legislation to meet that promise and yet people like you continue to buy the rhetoric. "We have to pass the bill to see what is in it" was Pelosi and now that we know what is in it we find that the the basic demand in the bill, personal mandate, may be unconstitutional. That is something you support?
 
zimmer said:
And it will be bi-partisan! (Notice the NYT journOlists refrain from mentioning that bit?)

How about the Senate? Will we see bi-partisanship there? Or more bull-ship? ROTFLOL.
Readying the noose for 2012.
Beautiful.



Decisive, historic victories are game changing. I wonder... how many Dems that voted for the stink bomb called ObamaKare will vote to repeal it?

Any guesses?

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Oh, great, so America will be the first country to successfully enter the 20th century, and then regress back to the 19th.

Fantastic.
 
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