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G.O.P. Newcomers Set Out to Undo Obama Victories

Barbbtx said:
That garbage called Obamacare is one 6th of the economy.
It will be repealed or defunded to the point it's worthless and will be replaced by something that works.
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Sorry....but you have been watching too much Fauxnews. Anyone with any clue knows that there isn't a chance in hell that it will be repealed. Probably the only thing likely to change will be the REPUBLICAN idea to require Americans to purchase healthcare as an alternative to the Democratic Public Option plan.
 
disneydude said:
Beside the point. The GOP hypocrites argued time and again....Why hasn't Obama focused on Jobs Jobs Jobs....then we see their agenda and the first two things they put on the agenda....Witchhunts and a waste of taxpayer money on a "symbolic" vote that they know is a waste of time.

Where is their Job JOb Job plans?

Hypocrites....nothing more. At least it is glaringly obvious.
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We were saying stop killing private sector jobs! Don't wait to extend the tax cuts! Stop demonizing job creaters! Get out of the way of job creaters. Stop growing government jobs that tax payers pay for! Like I said it's not governments job to create jobs. Their job is to get the hell out of way.
 
Barbbtx said:
We were saying stop killing private sector jobs! Don't wait to extend the tax cuts! Stop demonizing job creaters! Get out of the way of job creaters. Stop growing government jobs that tax payers pay for! Like I said it's not governments job to create jobs. Their job is to get the hell out of way.
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And so what do the GOP hypocrites and teabaggers do to address the economy? First thing....state that they are going to engage in subpoenas and witch hunts and two.....waste tax payer money by engaging in a futile "symbolic" vote to repeal the healthcare law that has ZERO chance of being repealed. Even Republicans know that this isn't going to happen....so why not focus on JOBS JOBS JOBS....rather than playing politics as usual. I know the answer....but I don't think you want to hear it:

A Zebra can't change its stripes
 
LOL!

such histrionics

anyway, the voters of the united states turned over more house seats than any electorate since 1938 for a reason

the most state reps and legislatures in modern history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

maybe obama should post cartoons and throw tantrums

meanwhile, the adults have work to do

it STARTS with repeal in the house

then...

stay tuned

seeya in the hearing rooms, homies
 
Hicup said:
CC I read your plan, and although I like aspects of it, it really doesn't say anything about the economics of it. Nor does it roll out how it all might play out in practicality.
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As far as the ecomomics of my plan, it's rather simple. For those who opt-in, a "healthcare tax" taken right out of their paychecks, similar to what a lot of companies do with private healthcare benefits. I would also want to look at Medicare and Medicaid and see how many folks on those programs can be moved... and their monies as well. As far as practicality, that's fairly impossible to tell without it actually being rolled out. I would imagine that, initially, there would be a split as far as people opting for the tiers, with most folks going with either Tier's 1 or 2. I think you'd find that a lot of folks who are against Obama's plan, would opt for Tier 3. However, once they discovered that under no circumstances was catastrophic care covered, most of these folks would opt for one of the first two tiers. Only the very rich would opt for Tier 3. I would also place "incentives" in my plan, to encourage healthcare providers to be covered under Tiers 1 and/or 2 so the best would be available to the greatest number of people.
 
hazlnut said:
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Moderator's Warning:
Stop trolling the thread.
 
disneydude said:
Nice stretch, but even the stauchiest Republican knows that there is absolutely ZERO chance that repeal is going to happen.
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this year. but putting it up for vote is a critical part of getting it repealed in 2013.
 
The Prof said:
LOL!

such histrionics

anyway, the voters of the united states turned over more house seats than any electorate since 1938 for a reason

the most state reps and legislatures in modern history, 10 gubs, 6 senators...

maybe obama should post cartoons and throw tantrums

meanwhile, the adults have work to do

it STARTS with repeal in the house

then...

stay tuned

seeya in the hearing rooms, homies
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I just watched a bunch of the new congressmen on Hannity. When asked if they thought of themselves as Republicans first, no hands went up. When asked if they were Conservatives first all hands went up. Although they all seemed to agree they were Americans first when it came down to it.
It's going to be a great year in politics!
 
disneydude said:
You gotta love these GOP and teabaggers. They bitched and moaned that Obama didn't focus on the economy...and what are their first two issues: A pointless symbolic vote to repeal healthcare (which they know is a waste of time and will never happen) and subpoenas and witchhunts. What ever happened to their "Jobs, Jobs, Jobs"?
What a bunch of hypocrites!!!!
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Not surprising at all, you don't understand business. No business is going to hire someone without knowing the costs of doing so and anything that raises costs isn't acceptable. Obamacare raises the costs of hiring. Keep carrying the water for the empty suit in the WH.
 
Conservative said:
Not surprising at all, you don't understand business. No business is going to hire someone without knowing the costs of doing so and anything that raises costs isn't acceptable. Obamacare raises the costs of hiring. Keep carrying the water for the empty suit in the WH.
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Yep.

It's still not required to provide for part-time employees.
So there will be yet another drop in the full-time VS part-time hiring.
 
Aunt Spiker said:
Yep.

It's still not required to provide for part-time employees.
So there will be yet another drop in the full-time VS part-time hiring.
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Have yet to find a liberal who understands business or has ever run a business and invested their own money. Seems most are used to handouts thus don't understand business expenses. After getting a paycheck for years and years interesting that they don't understand what generates that paycheck.
 
Barbbtx said:
I just watched a bunch of the new congressmen on Hannity. When asked if they thought of themselves as Republicans first, no hands went up. When asked if they were Conservatives first all hands went up. Although they all seemed to agree they were Americans first when it came down to it.
It's going to be a great year in politics!
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Like I said....you are watching WAAAAAY too much FauxNews. Its all about playing politics....hardly a new day anywhere.
 
Conservative said:
Have yet to find a liberal who understands business or has ever run a business and invested their own money. Seems most are used to handouts thus don't understand business expenses. After getting a paycheck for years and years interesting that they don't understand what generates that paycheck.
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At least we know that you know how to type of talking point.
 
disneydude said:
Like I said....you are watching WAAAAAY too much FauxNews. Its all about playing politics....hardly a new day anywhere.
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Then of course Democrats don't play any politics at all? You seem to buy what you are told by the Obama Administration and the supportive media. Results matter, not rhetoric and the results for Obama are there for all to see. The electorate on Nov. 2 saw something different than you. Why?
 
disneydude said:
At least we know that you know how to type of talking point.
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My talking points are backed by actual results. You really ought to do better research or at least some research. Stop buying the rhetoric you are being told. How much is Obamacare going to cost a business? Can you name for me any prediction made by the CBO that has been accurate 10 years out since you and others point to the CBO as being accurate and the gospel?
 
Conservative said:
Have yet to find a liberal who understands business or has ever run a business and invested their own money. Seems most are used to handouts thus don't understand business expenses. After getting a paycheck for years and years interesting that they don't understand what generates that paycheck.
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Of course, half the billionaires and millionaires are Dems... but that doesn't register on your fact radar.

oops.
 
Conservative said:
Have yet to find a liberal who understands business or has ever run a business and invested their own money. Seems most are used to handouts thus don't understand business expenses. After getting a paycheck for years and years interesting that they don't understand what generates that paycheck.
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There are differences, though - not all businesses are the same. The smaller businesses have to be more thrifty but also insert values into their business decisions more so than larger businesses.

I've managed many - including my own - and it seemed that the larger a business got the more they only paid attention to profits. I think that's what happens when the CEO's are disconnected - physically - from their employees.
 
hazlnut said:
Of course, half the billionaires and millionaires are Dems... but that doesn't register on your fact radar.

oops.
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How many of those millionaires and billionaires made their money by promoting the ideals of today's Democrat Party? Seems they got theirs thus the hell with everyone else trying to get ahead. Why do you want to penalize the Bill Gates wannabees while ignoring the good that Bill Gates does on his own for the general welfare? Forced redistribution is what liberals promote instead of the charitable giving that rich people actually do on their own. Promoting individual wealth creation is what this country was built on. Why do you want to destroy it?
 
Aunt Spiker said:
There are differences, though - not all businesses are the same. The smaller businesses have to be more thrifty but also insert values into their business decisions more so than larger businesses.

I've managed many - including my own - and it seemed that the larger a business got the more they only paid attention to profits. I think that's what happens when the CEO's are disconnected - physically - from their employees.
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The larger the business it seems the more people that those profits have to support. Large businesses are responsible to shareholders who invested their money and are looking for a return. The stock market today still has a large number of investors who are elderly and looking for a return that supplements Social Security, which most cannot live on.
 
Barbbtx said:
Health Care - GOP Solutions for America - GOP.gov
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Of course when you click on the actual details (.pdf files) your get "The system cannot find the file specified. " That pretty much sums up the Republican position... there is none.

* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines

And you get the same results you got when you allowed credit card companies to set up shop in the states with the lowest regulations


* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.

OK.... can't argue with that..

* Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.

Of course, kick the can down the road... not a solution, a shirking of responsibility


* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

OK... fine for point #20... but emphasizes the shallowness of the republican thought on the matter given that malpractice insurance is less than 1/2 of 1% of total cost. If the 4th plank of your platform deals with the trivial expense, well that is pretty superficial. We certainly need superficial solutions to serious problems (but then the Reps are so good at the superficial)...
 
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says the guy who calls it FauxNews?
 
Conservative said:
Not surprising at all, you don't understand business. No business is going to hire someone without knowing the costs of doing so and anything that raises costs isn't acceptable. Obamacare raises the costs of hiring. Keep carrying the water for the empty suit in the WH.
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Conservative said:
My talking points are backed by actual results. You really ought to do better research or at least some research. Stop buying the rhetoric you are being told. How much is Obamacare going to cost a business? Can you name for me any prediction made by the CBO that has been accurate 10 years out since you and others point to the CBO as being accurate and the gospel?
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So tell me, Conservative. If I find one successful business person who is liberal, will you concede that your first comment, above, was nothing more than a ridiculous hyperpartisan claim that has no basis in reality?
 
upsideguy said:
Of course when you click on the actual details (.pdf files) your get "The system cannot find the file specified. " That pretty much sums up the Republican position... there is none.

* Number one: let families and businesses buy health insurance across state lines

And you get the same results you got when you allowed credit card companies to set up shop in the states with the lowest regulations


* Number two: allow individuals, small businesses, and trade associations to pool together and acquire health insurance at lower prices, the same way large corporations and labor unions do.

OK.... can't argue with that..

* Number three: give states the tools to create their own innovative reforms that lower health care costs.

Of course, kick the can down the road... not a solution, a shirking of responsibility


* Number four: end junk lawsuits that contribute to higher health care costs by increasing the number of tests and procedures that physicians sometimes order not because they think it's good medicine, but because they are afraid of being sued.

OK... fine for point #20... but emphasizes the shallowness of the republican thought on the matter given that malpractice insurance is less than 1/2 of 1% of total cost. If the 4th plank of your platform deals with the trivial expense, well that is pretty superficial. We certainly need superficial solutions to serious problems (but then the Reps are so good at the superficial)...
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So I take it you support Obamacare? You have told us what you don't like about the GOP Plan, are there things you don't like about Obamacare? Why is it the Federal Government's responsibility to provide for personal responsibility issues?

Do you realize that the high ER costs are paid by the states and local communities and that a large part of those costs are illegal alien costs? Why should the people of your state pay the costs in my state?
 
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