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"No refusal" DUI checkpoints could be coming to Tampa

ptif219 said:
You seem to think drunks have more rights when they are an accident waiting to happen. Here is why I don't care. I am not supposed to idle when it is hot or cold. If I left a dog in a truck like that I would go to jail.

Then I am expected to sleep and get well rested even though it is very hot or very cold in my truck. The reefer can run to keep product cold but a driver has no rights and should suffer.
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You can buy an APU and run it just like the reefer and you know it.

When was the last time you were orderd to take an on the spot blood test?
 
Kal'Stang said:
I would love for you to back up those claims of yours. Otherwise I will assume that you're lying out your hole and are not worth reading.
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USE GOOGLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Im tired of people asking for proof. Im not wikipeda man. Im a mother ****ing Noodle!
 
ptif219 said:
You seem to think drunks have more rights when they are an accident waiting to happen. Here is why I don't care. I am not supposed to idle when it is hot or cold. If I left a dog in a truck like that I would go to jail.

Then I am expected to sleep and get well rested even though it is very hot or very cold in my truck. The reefer can run to keep product cold but a driver has no rights and should suffer.
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Need a solution for this, purchase an APU for your rig.
 
Phoenix said:
No they can't. You can hand them your log book and no requirement exists (yet) to prove the accuracy of your logs using receipts.


Not without a warrant.

Most drivers allow officers to search their truck, because if they don't they know they will be held up until the officer gets a warrant or he decides to quit being a dick. It costs money to an independent trucker or could cost a company driver his job. It's easier just to let them look and be on your way. It's more convenient is completely different than "there is a legal requirement".
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Get pulled over by that DOT that works around Phoenix and Flagstaff and he will search for every fuel reciept and toll ticket to get you for a log book violation
 
Phoenix said:
You can buy an APU and run it just like the reefer and you know it.

When was the last time you were orderd to take an on the spot blood test?
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So I should pay for my companies lack of equipment? The problem is iot is all put on the driver and companies have no obligation to do anything to stop the problem
 
Phoenix said:
You can buy an APU and run it just like the reefer and you know it.

When was the last time you were orderd to take an on the spot blood test?
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Random tests are pee in the bottle and can happen at any time
 
SgtRock said:
Need a solution for this, purchase an APU for your rig.
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I work for an owner Operator that doesn't provide it instead I idle at 900 RPM because of the regen system. The owner does not care how much I idle
 
ptif219 said:
Get pulled over by that DOT that works around Phoenix and Flagstaff and he will search for every fuel reciept and toll ticket to get you for a log book violation
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because you let them. Not because it's a DOT requirement.
 
ptif219 said:
Random tests are pee in the bottle and can happen at any time
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As I have mentioned before I don't agree with those anymore than a checkpoint. People shouldn't have to prove their innocence.
That being said, a blood test is a hell of a lot more invasive than a urine test. The point I was making is that this requirement is even above and beyond what is required of a CDL holder.
 
ptif219 said:
So I should pay for my companies lack of equipment? The problem is iot is all put on the driver and companies have no obligation to do anything to stop the problem
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Absolutely not. However you are complaining that you are treated less than a dog when a viable solution exists. It's your employer that doesn't give **** that you have to lay in the hot/cold truck to rest. They are too cheap to buy the proper equipment for you.
 
I'm sorry, but what a trucker agrees to in his contract with the DOT has absolutely nothing to do with an ordinary citizen driving home. It's a Bright Red herring.

Checkpoints create traffic jams. Other Cops wearing themselves out pulling over sober drivers that make a u-turn in order to not have a forty minute wait. Hello, it's Gestapo time!

They say that they have a judge with them to signs warrants that allow them to stick a needle in your arm against your wishes. I didn't read the link. I'm guessing that they also have a registered nurse on hand to properly wield the needle. This is of course all done without your lawyer being present.

MADD will never relinquish any of their power. What would happen if they ever said that they had made enough laws against drunk driving? That's right, they would cease to exist. There's way too much money running through that system for it to ever stop.

I've got a gig tonight. Yes, it's amateur night. Lucky for me, it's only a five mile drive. Still, it's five miles, at fender bender speeds, that could potentially alter my life for the worse by a monumental amount if I were to be caught over 0.08% BAC.

I will be taking it easy. One drink, or less, per hour will let me drive home sober.
 
I thought, in the USA, driving was considered a privilege, not a right, and you could refuse to take sobriety tests but, if you did, you would lose you driving license.

Is that incorrect?

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Phoenix said:
As I have mentioned before I don't agree with those anymore than a checkpoint. People shouldn't have to prove their innocence.
That being said, a blood test is a hell of a lot more invasive than a urine test. The point I was making is that this requirement is even above and beyond what is required of a CDL holder.
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Not if they cooperate
 
Phoenix said:
Absolutely not. However you are complaining that you are treated less than a dog when a viable solution exists. It's your employer that doesn't give **** that you have to lay in the hot/cold truck to rest. They are too cheap to buy the proper equipment for you.
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Because the law is against me not the owner of the equipment. Why is it not a law companies have to provide these things?
 
Mickey Shane said:
I'm sorry, but what a trucker agrees to in his contract with the DOT has absolutely nothing to do with an ordinary citizen driving home. It's a Bright Red herring.

Checkpoints create traffic jams. Other Cops wearing themselves out pulling over sober drivers that make a u-turn in order to not have a forty minute wait. Hello, it's Gestapo time!

They say that they have a judge with them to signs warrants that allow them to stick a needle in your arm against your wishes. I didn't read the link. I'm guessing that they also have a registered nurse on hand to properly wield the needle. This is of course all done without your lawyer being present.

MADD will never relinquish any of their power. What would happen if they ever said that they had made enough laws against drunk driving? That's right, they would cease to exist. There's way too much money running through that system for it to ever stop.

I've got a gig tonight. Yes, it's amateur night. Lucky for me, it's only a five mile drive. Still, it's five miles, at fender bender speeds, that could potentially alter my life for the worse by a monumental amount if I were to be caught over 0.08% BAC.

I will be taking it easy. One drink, or less, per hour will let me drive home sober.
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Check points are legal
 
TOJ said:
I thought, in the USA, driving was considered a privilege, not a right, and you could refuse to take sobriety tests but, if you did, you would lose you driving license.

Is that incorrect?

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Yes and no. Now, like the OP posted, you can not refuse to take the test in some States. They will FORCE the person.... by whatever means possible.... to restrain you. Then forcably take a syringe.... put in in your body.... and then take your blood..... if they even suspect you to be under the influence.
 
ptif219 said:
Check points are legal
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You're absolutely correct....I have a run to Indy in the morning by way of going through Columbus first, so I'll be home tonight even though I was invited to two parties.


Ah well....Happy New Year.


j-mac
 
Phoenix said:
Full Story HERE

Street Judges? Reminds me of Judge Dredd. "I AM the law"
Seems like this should violate some type of separation of powers. I also wonder what constitutes "reasonable suspicion" to take the blood since this is a checkpoint situation. Many times refusal constitutes "reasonable suspicion" which is bogus.
I believe checkpoint are unconstitutional period. This IMO is another example of the American people are tolerant of an unconstitutional practice because it has become the norm and it is "for the public safety" or "the greater good". Now the government takes that practice to another level to see if they can get away with it also.
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Illinois has had checkpoints for years. Refusal to take a breathalizer means a 6-month license suspension. They don't need no stinkin' blood tests. Sounds like other states are behind the curve.
 
MaggieD said:
Illinois has had checkpoints for years. Refusal to take a breathalizer means a 6-month license suspension. They don't need no stinkin' blood tests. Sounds like other states are behind the curve.
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Florida already has checkpoints and automatic license suspension for refusing a breathalyzer (I think it is one year), we are not behind the curve, we are lapping you.
 
marduc said:
Florida already has checkpoints and automatic license suspension for refusing a breathalyzer (I think it is one year), we are not behind the curve, we are lapping you.
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Normally they even tell you were the check points will be
 
Deuce said:
What innocent person would refuse having their vehicle or home searched, at any time of day? Surely that's probably cause.

Or maybe this "if she's not a witch she's float" scenario is a bad idea.
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Umm.. no. Not the same thing, not at all. In the one case you are blowing into a tube. In the other, your privacy is being invaded. There is no reason other than intoxication to refuse to share your exalations. Why else would you be private about the air you are exhaling?
 
Dittohead not! said:
There is no reason other than intoxication to refuse to share your exalations.
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Incrimination, due process, probable cause.... ring a bell? I don't drink and drive, and oppose DUI checkpoints as they are currently being implemented.
 
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