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Sanitation Department's slow snow clean-up was a budget protest

sure you do......they tell you no, and they are out of a job, lets not bs each other. .




I told an employee once to take a fire axe to a verizon lock box.... (they locked our equipment in thier box on purpose), he said no because it was illegal. I disagreed, but I didn't fire him.... :shrug:
 
I told an employee once to take a fire axe to a verizon lock box.... (they locked our equipment in thier box on purpose), he said no because it was illegal. I disagreed, but I didn't fire him.... :shrug:
why would verizon have access to your equipment?
 
why would verizon have access to your equipment?



They didn't.



One big building, 40 floors. One Telco access room with various co's equip. Verizion cut our line, put in thier line, and locked our cut line in thier lock box.


I libertated it, though my employee refused. due to questionable legality.
 
blah blah blah...you lived in michigan, thats great j,


Don't minimize my experiences, I won't do that to you. I didn't say I just lived in MI, I said I grew up there. Most if not all of my close friends worked for GM or their feeder companies like GMPD, and Delco. I saw first hand how things went.

how many meetings did you attend when you were union? how involved did you get in your union....i bet you never got involved at all,

To be fair, the one union I was a part of, Teamsters 535, Wharehouse division, we drivers were a very small part of it as a whole, and more of a dues cow to paint it accurately. The union didn't care about us, and we only had them there as a negotiating tool at contract time. Plus I was extremely young, early 20s, and was more concerned at the time with living, and partying than real issues. So when they would get us an extra 1/2 cent per case delivered, I moved on.

As I grew older and wiser, and in different companies I drove for, that would come up against unionization challenges, I saw the thuggery that took place. Heck, even had my windshield busted by strikers at the gates.

because if you had been involved, you would know that unions are not the monsters you make them out to be, that they arent all powerful when it comes to getting a contract,

Oh come on now, are you telling me that a Union that goes on strike in a town like Flint, or Lansing doesn't bring the company to its knees through the damage done to small business caused by the union walk outs? Since when have you in your union career not gotten what you wanted in a contract negotiated through threat, or action of strike.

that the reps don't just walk up to management, and tell them how its going to be....

No, they threaten, and destroy the economy, and lives of other people in the community so that they can get what they want as a form of pressure.

good god, please don't speak about things you have no understanding of, or that you choose to be willfully ignorant of. it is really unbecoming.

In your arrogance to slander me, or to diminish my thoughts, your ignorance abounds sir.


j-mac
 
If true, and it seems to be so. they should be held criminally responsible...


these mother****ers already have a sweetheart deal.


Meet The Hundreds Of NYC Sanitation Workers Who Earn Over $100,000

And they have the nerve to pull something like this? The mayor, for all his tyrannical bull**** I would say nothing if he were to sign an EO disbanding this union and hiring all new folk

I only looked at about the first 12 pages (out of 646) and here are the first five, Making over $100,000, I found on the list:


Sanitation, Department of Acquista, Robert General Superintendent Annual $104,672
Sanitation, Department of Adamo, Jacob General Superintendent Annual $104,672
Sanitation, Department of Albano, Thomas General Superintendent Annual $135,439
Sanitation, Department of Allard, Vincent General Superintendent Annual $104,672
Sanitation, Department of Alvarez, Richard Supervisor Of Mechanics Annual $115,225


Hmmmmm, all supervisors and still not that much money for NYC. Most of the workers made what these two guys made:


Sanitation, Department of Alvarez, Luis Sanitation Worker Annual $66,672
Sanitation, Department of Amato, Robert Sanitation Worker Annual $66,672



There were 646 pages, with 20 names listed per page, so that's approximately 12920 Sanitation employees and they only found 315 making over $100,000 a year in NYC? Shocking!
 
Don't minimize my experiences, I won't do that to you. I didn't say I just lived in MI, I said I grew up there. Most if not all of my close friends worked for GM or their feeder companies like GMPD, and Delco. I saw first hand how things went.



To be fair, the one union I was a part of, Teamsters 535, Wharehouse division, we drivers were a very small part of it as a whole, and more of a dues cow to paint it accurately. The union didn't care about us, and we only had them there as a negotiating tool at contract time. Plus I was extremely young, early 20s, and was more concerned at the time with living, and partying than real issues. So when they would get us an extra 1/2 cent per case delivered, I moved on.

As I grew older and wiser, and in different companies I drove for, that would come up against unionization challenges, I saw the thuggery that took place. Heck, even had my windshield busted by strikers at the gates.



Oh come on now, are you telling me that a Union that goes on strike in a town like Flint, or Lansing doesn't bring the company to its knees through the damage done to small business caused by the union walk outs? Since when have you in your union career not gotten what you wanted in a contract negotiated through threat, or action of strike.



No, they threaten, and destroy the economy, and lives of other people in the community so that they can get what they want as a form of pressure.



In your arrogance to slander me, or to diminish my thoughts, your ignorance abounds sir.


j-mac
slander you..lol...you just admitted you never got involved with the union you were a part of, so, you know squat. you grew up in michigan, good for you, so did i....i got alot , not all, but alot, of what i wanted this contract, which we ratified 2 months ago..never threatend the company, never hinted at a strike, actually agreed to a pay freeze for 3 years, which the company wanted , which helps them to stay competitive....we got two extra vacation days, an unpaid personal day, the ability to use half a vacation day if we need to, for appointments and such, and our big gain was double time on sundays...no j, unions improve the lot of those who are members, and union members are not thugs, or out to 'break' their employers...please explain why a union would intentionally try to drive an employer out of business? seems rather conterproductive to me....plant shuts down, union member out of job...doesnt seem to work for either side, but hey, thats just me and my logic. My union and My company worked together on an agreement, and got one both sides could live with...
 
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slander you..lol...you just admitted you never got involved with the union you were a part of, so, you know squat. you grew up in michigan, good for you, so did i....i got alot , not all, but alot, of what i wanted this contract, which we ratified 2 months ago..never threatend the company, never hinted at a strike, actually agreed to a pay freeze for 3 years, which the company wanted , which helps them to stay competitive....we got two extra vacation days, an unpaid personal day, the ability to use half a vacation day if we need to, for appointments and such, and our big gain was double time on sundays...no j, unions improve the lot of those who are members, and union members are not thugs, or out to 'break' their employers...please explain why a union would intentionally try to drive an employer out of business? seems rather conterproductive to me....plant shuts down, union member out of job...doesnt seem to work for either side, but hey, thats just me and my logic. My union and My company worked together on an agreement, and got one both sides could live with...


to put that into perspective I would need to know particulars you probably won't divulge online, such as what do you do, and how does your job match up with similar non union jobs in the same area for starters.


j-mac
 
There seems little point in his responding, since your primitive view on the functioning of unions is at least 40 years out of date.
 
There seems little point in his responding, since your primitive view on the functioning of unions is at least 40 years out of date.


cop out! Just admit that you haven't contributed anything to this portion of the discussion, and move on Danger.


j-mac
 
Government employee unionization is absurd. They need to shut that stuff down. Reagan had no issue doing it. Fire every one of the ****ers and let them enjoy finding a job in an economic recession. There is a line of better candidates waiting for those jobs (well, really they are still on unemployment and probably not all that interested, but what the ****).
 
Government employee unionization is absurd. They need to shut that stuff down. Reagan had no issue doing it. Fire every one of the ****ers and let them enjoy finding a job in an economic recession. There is a line of better candidates waiting for those jobs (well, really they are still on unemployment and probably not all that interested, but what the ****).

ABSOLUTELY! There is NO place for Unions in Public Service sector jobs.

j-mac
 
uh oh

Criminal investigations are under way to find out why it took so long to dig out from last week’s massive snow storm.

Videos released exclusively to CBS 2’s Marcia Kramer suggest that the clean-up job may have been dirtier than once thought.

One video is now in the hands of prosecutors. It shows two sanitation trucks driving down 155th Street in the Whitestone section of Queens after the blizzard without removing the snow.

Their plows were apparently raised and the snow was left untouched in their wake, apparent proof that some in the Sanitation Department engineered a work slowdown.

Sanitation workers spotted asleep on the job, apparently hanging out at a Coney Island Dunkin Donuts for 11 straight hours and some drinking beer for six or seven hours instead of working are all being probed.

Apparent Proof Of NYC Blizzard Clean-Up Slow-Down Surfaces CBS New York – News, Sports, Weather, Traffic and the Best of NY
 
with all due respect, some of you need to read more and talk less

Faced with growing budget deficits and restive taxpayers, elected officials from Maine to Alabama, Ohio to Arizona, are pushing new legislation to limit the power of labor unions, particularly those representing government workers, in collective bargaining and politics.

State officials from both parties are wrestling with ways to curb the salaries and pensions of government employees, which typically make up a significant percentage of state budgets. On Wednesday, for example, New York’s new Democratic governor, Andrew M. Cuomo, is expected to call for a one-year salary freeze for state workers, a move that would save $200 million to $400 million and challenge labor’s traditional clout in Albany.

But in some cases — mostly in states with Republican governors and Republican statehouse majorities — officials are seeking more far-reaching, structural changes that would weaken the bargaining power and political influence of unions, including private sector ones.

For example, Republican lawmakers in Indiana, Maine, Missouri and seven other states plan to introduce legislation that would bar private sector unions from forcing workers they represent to pay dues or fees, reducing the flow of funds into union treasuries. In Ohio, the new Republican governor, following the precedent of many other states, wants to ban strikes by public school teachers.

Some new governors, most notably Scott Walker of Wisconsin, are even threatening to take away government workers’ right to form unions and bargain contracts.

In the 2010 elections, Republicans emerged with seven more governor’s mansions and won control of the legislature in 26 states, up from 14. That swing has put unions more on the defensive than they have been in decades.

But it is not only Republicans who are seeking to rein in unions. In addition to Mr. Cuomo, California’s new Democratic governor, Jerry Brown, is promising to review the benefits received by government workers in his state, which faces a more than $20 billion budget shortfall over the next 18 months.

Many of the state officials pushing for union-related changes say they want to restore some balance, arguing that unions have become too powerful, skewing political campaigns with their large war chests and throwing state budgets off kilter with their expensive pension plans.

In an internal memorandum, the A.F.L.-C.I.O. warned that in 16 states, Republican lawmakers would seek to starve public sector unions of money by requiring each government worker to “opt in” before that person’s dues money could be used for political activities.

Of all the new governors, John Kasich, Republican of Ohio, appears to be planning the most comprehensive assault against unions. He is proposing to take away the right of 14,000 state-financed child care and home care workers to unionize.

Mr. Kasich also wants to eliminate a requirement that the state pay union-scale wages to construction workers on public contracts, even if the contractors are nonunion. In addition, he would like to ban the use of binding arbitration to settle disputes between the state and unions representing government employees.

The A.F.L.-C.I.O.’s internal memo warned labor leaders, “With the enormous losses in state legislatures around the country, we will face not only more attacks on working families and their unions — we will face more serious attacks, particularly in the formerly blue or purple states that are now controlled by a Republican trifecta.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/04/business/04labor.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&hp
 
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I think these cats are in trouble.

and they're not the only ones

america is ON to the games our public employees play

and when the fight goes public, ie, political, the apologists for collectivization are gonna get killed

party on, progressives
 
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cop out! Just admit that you haven't contributed anything to this portion of the discussion, and move on Danger.
j-mac

As a union activist, I pointed out your ignorance of the topic at hand, and you seek to minimise my contribution. You need to move on from your anachronous obsolete stereotypes.
 
I think these cats are in trouble.

I understand that at least three deaths can be attributed to the snow not being cleared. If there is an honest DA in NYC (doubtful) these people could be charged with manslaughter.
 
As a union activist, I pointed out your ignorance of the topic at hand, and you seek to minimise my contribution. You need to move on from your anachronous obsolete stereotypes.


The Rev has a good question for you, but none the less, the Prof has laid out three good articles for you to view, I am intrested in your response to those.


j-mac
 
It also came from an Alderman as reported on CNN. You find it unusual that a group of whistleblowers would do everything they could to remain anonymous? What planet are you from?

Partisan baloney on your part. This needs to be investigated; and I'm sure it will be. Your riding in on white horses with blind partisan support is reeeedicklus.

Does it need to be investigated? Of course it does. You heard it from me, an unnamed city worker.... Oops, I just let the cat out of the bag. It was me who blew the whistle on workers in New York, and I did it all the way from Houston. Yeah, I know, I know, you are going to call me a liar. Well, maybe I am. Maybe so is someone else. How do YOU know it was a city worker, and not some political hack? Did the city workers stand up, give their names, and take responsibility for making the accusation? Nope. All we have at this point is the word of a Republican alderman who has a political axe to grind. But, in these days of yellow journalism, that's good enough for yellow journalists. So they can take my word for it. I explicity say that it is true that I am the one who leaked this story to the alderman making the accusation.

** DanaRhea crosses his fingers behind his back**

:mrgreen:
 
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