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N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard

If you want to justify criticism of a government's reaction to the storm, you should go across the river to New York City. People have actually died there because the streets weren't cleared in a timely fashion.

This is funny, in the very same post you are complaining about, I gave my feelings about the issue, I suggest you read the whole post.

What we were talking about was my criticism of other people's criticism in which I felt there was hypocrisy due to partisanship.
 
Are you actually attempting to compare an oil spill with a snowstorm ????

The snow will be cleared from streets before Christie can even get a flight back to Newark. The oil spill lasted for months, the snow will only last for a few days.

Yet they ignore (D) Bloomberg who is doing a terrible job and a woman has lost her baby and another woman has died because no one could get them. I started a thread but doubt it will get much response.
http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...ck-while-bloomberg-skates.html#post1059186275
 
Whether the Governor was present or not is less important than whether New Jersey had an apparatus that made the right decisions to manage the situation. In New York City, Mayor Bloomberg was present and he literally botched the situation by having failed to declare a snow emergency that would have led to critical roads having been cleared of vehicles in advance of the blizzard. With the roads clogged by snow, a situation worsened by the Mayor's bad decision not to declare a snow emergency, up to 200 ambulances were stuck in the snow. All in all, New York City's failure to manage the situation might have led to its worst snow removal performance since the 1969 Lindsay snowstorm.

Later, as the criticism mounted, he offered a flimsy excuse about where people were going to move their cars if he had declared a snow emergency. Yet, in the past i.e., February 2006 (26.9" snowfall--biggest in NYC's history) and February 2009 (20.9" snowfall), he did declare snow emergencies ahead of those storms and the clean-up results were much better.

In sum, the Governor's being present would have helped him avoid negative perceptions of his being away during the blizzard. However, much more important is the decision making that occurred.
 
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This is also a nonissue. It sucks that there was death, but with downturns in state funding this sort of thing is going to happen.

I know, NJ has an advantage because they are just rolling in the dough. :)
 
I know, NJ has an advantage because they are just rolling in the dough. :)

The matter is not total state budgetting, but the amount allocated to various services and needs.
 
The matter is not total state budgetting, but the amount allocated to various services and needs.

Great response..... now post some numbers backing your assertion that New Jersey allocates more money for snow removal than New York.
 
The matter is not total state budgetting, but the amount allocated to various services and needs.

Resource allocation matters. In the wake of NYC's debacle, genuine questions about what is critical/is not need to be asked and resource allocations adjusted as appropriate. I would suggest that any municipality's ability to handle emergency situations, especially those that are not uncommon e.g., major snowstorms, is a critical issue.
 
Great response..... now post some numbers backing your assertion that New Jersey allocates more money for snow removal than New York.

Well, given that I was referencing a new report I heard on the radio, I will be happy to post it when its posted on NPR's website, but it looks like its not there yet.
 
Resource allocation matters. In the wake of NYC's debacle, genuine questions about what is critical/is not need to be asked and resource allocations adjusted as appropriate. I would suggest that any municipality's ability to handle emergency situations, especially those that are not uncommon e.g., major snowstorms, is a critical issue.

I agree it matters, but in neither case do I feel that its a personal failure of the state governers or mayors.
 
I agree it matters, but in neither case do I feel that its a personal failure of the state governers or mayors.

They definitely don't bear the burden of the whole failure. But where bad decisions were made e.g., the lack of calling a snow emergency, blame is deserved. Declaring a snow emergency in advance of an expected blizzard or large snowstorm (potential for 10" or more) is a "no brainer." They set the stage for a more effective clean-up operation. When blowing and drifting snow is expected (as occurs in blizzards), they are even more helpful, as parked cars can be buried under snow drifts, making clean-up much more difficult.

My guess is that complacency reigned in NYC ahead of the storm. After highly effective clean-ups following the two snowstorms I mentioned earlier, including the biggest in NYC's history, there was a sense that today's capabilities had become so good that the impact of the storm was seriously underestimated. With the storm's impact being underestimated, no snow emergency was declared, as it was believed that the road crews would easily be up to the task. In many ways, that thinking is not too far removed from the "new era" thinking that preceded the collapse of the nation's housing bubble sparking the financial crisis and severe recession.
 
Living here in N.J. and having experienced the blizzard... it wasn't as bad a past years. Him leaving isn't a big deal... sure it may be frowned upon, but who cares enough to make a big stink of it.

Just look through this thread...
 
So in summary, Mayor dooshbag of NYC = Fail, en espanol even...


NJ did as we always do.... yet the partisan hacks are ignoring bloomberg and going after christie?


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bro, don't you love how those not living in our state are telling us how christie failed?


We had a freaking snow day for the love of god and these folks act like it was a heat wave in France. :lol:

So I imagine he has returned by now?
 
So I imagine he has returned by now?

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So I imagine he has returned by now?



Don't really care, d00d isn't going to help me shovel out my driveway and no one in New Jersey is whining because the dood was on vacation. only you partisan hacks are trying to turn a typical mid atlantic snowstorm into katrina...


hint, you are going after the wrong guy.... Christie's NJ did fine during the storm, check out the dooshbag mayor in NY who was there and screwed the pooch.

My Company still has suspended operations other than system down service to NYC while that dooshbag gets the city moving again. but wait, he's a liberal so he get a pass from partisan hacks.
 
Don't really care, d00d isn't going to help me shovel out my driveway and no one in New Jersey is whining because the dood was on vacation. only you partisan hacks are trying to turn a typical mid atlantic snowstorm into katrina...


hint, you are going after the wrong guy.... Christie's NJ did fine during the storm, check out the dooshbag mayor in NY who was there and screwed the pooch.

My Company still has suspended operations other than system down service to NYC while that dooshbag gets the city moving again. but wait, he's a liberal so he get a pass from partisan hacks.

I have no love for Bloomberg. If he screwed up he should pay for his incompetence.
 
Police report few incidents during storm - NorthJersey.com


Police report few incidents during storm
Monday, December 27, 2010
BY MAXIM ALMENAS
Fort Lee Suburbanite
Staff Writer

Many were caught by surprise, as what started out as a light dusting in the late morning of Dec. 26 quickly turned into a face blistering blizzard.

As much as 12 to 24 inches of snow pummeled North Jersey, with winds gusts reaching 50 miles an hour, according to weather reports, forcing acting Governor Sweeney, to declare a state of emergency.

Following suit with other transit agencies, the Fort Lee Parking Authority suspended its shuttle service.

Zero visibility on the ground forced local authorities to close roads.


We handled our business, you can stop your hackery at any time chief.



note the word "suprise", not airports, roads closed. Even if he tried to come back, he would not have been able to make it....


and the roads are clear now, :shrug:
 
So I imagine he has returned by now?


I hope he continues his vacation as long as I have to watch Barry at the links in HI, then Christie should continue to do what he is doing as well.


j-mac
 
I have no love for Bloomberg. If he screwed up he should pay for his incompetence.




yet here you are arguing nonsense over a non story, all while silent about the real mess across the river.


I will repeat, I LIVE IN NJ, I SHOVELED 24+ inches of snow out of my driveway. it was a typical snowstorm, that even as a suprise, was dealt with without incident, you can stop crying now.
 
also from my article.


By the next day, most roads had reopened, but Klimaszewski cautioned drivers to proceed with caution since the DPW was still clearing the roads.


You all can stop whining now, NJ handled it's business.... Snow is not foreign to us, neither is the surprise December blizzard every few years. :shrug:
 
yet here you are arguing nonsense over a non story, all while silent about the real mess across the river.


I will repeat, I LIVE IN NJ, I SHOVELED 24+ inches of snow out of my driveway. it was a typical snowstorm, that even as a suprise, was dealt with without incident, you can stop crying now.

you may want to check the title of this thread and the subject of this thread before criticizing others for not attempting to hijack it into a get Bloomberg thread.

N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard
 
you may want to check the title of this thread and the subject of this thread before criticizing others for not attempting to hijack it into a get Bloomberg thread.

N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard


http://www.debatepolitics.com/us-pa...ristie-gets-flack-while-bloomberg-skates.html

I started a thread to keep from getting yelled at about hijacking this one. Not much traffic there though. I guess a state that is doing fine while it's R Gov. is on vacation is more news worthy than a D who is in charge and present in NYC and it's a mess.
 
you may want to check the title of this thread and the subject of this thread before criticizing others for not attempting to hijack it into a get Bloomberg thread.

N.J. lawmaker questions absence of Christie, lt. gov. during blizzard



read the commentary by you and your ilk. your all whiny over a typical snowstorm, in a simple effort to demonstrate that you are a partisan hack. :shrug:


Why aren't you in the bloomberg thread? oh that's right, you prefer to whine over nothing because it's a "R" you can whine about. Please, it's pathetic.
 
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