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Republicans plan sweeping rules changes in new Congress

Barbbtx said:
It's a new day.
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It's an old broom doing the "sweeping" rules changes....

we just extended the Bush tax cuts for 2 more years, a delay that will cause a lot of extra pain if/when we finally get a sane financially conservative congress in place.
 
Chappy said:
Under the old rule new spending or reduced taxes must be offset either by reduced spending or new tax revenue. But under the proposed rule you can pass a new tax cut without paying for it, hence, adding to the deficit and the national debt.
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I'm not sure I buy that interpretation. I'd expect that new tax cuts would be treated as spending, and thus, cuts elsewhere would be used to pay for them.
 
Excerpted from “GOP unveils strict House rules” By: Jonathan Allen and Jake Sherman, Politico, December 22, 2010 07:28 AM EST
[SIZE="+2"]I[/SIZE]t's not clear, however, that the rules changes will require that Rules Committee alterations to major bills be posted online three days in advance of consideration on the floor. That would leave GOP leaders a significant exemption to make last-minute changes without such a long period of public scrutiny.
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Interesting. These rules may have some huge loop holes.
 
Chappy said:
Interesting. These rules may have some huge loop holes.
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The Dem will ahve their chance to offer their own rules changes, or amend the ones the GOP is proposing now. Don't forget, this has to be voted on and approved by Congress.
 
Whovian said:
From your link...

Why is the idea of paying for new spending by cutting other spending, instead of simply raising taxes, abhorant to you? I think cutting the crap spending and using that money, instead of new tax money, to cover the cost is a fantastic idea.
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Why play the game with one hand tied behind your back when everyone else uses two hands? Its simply ideologically driven and not keeping with the long standing principle that a budget has two sides to be addressed.
 
Whovian said:
The Dem will ahve their chance to offer their own rules changes, or amend the ones the GOP is proposing now. Don't forget, this has to be voted on and approved by Congress.
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each part of the Congress, the House of Representatives and the Senate, adopt its own rules. So technically, the Congress - meaning both parts - will not vote on the rules proposals before the House offered by Republicans... only the House of Representatives will vote on the rules for their body. An important distinction if only for former government teachers. ;)
 
haymarket said:
each part of the Congress, the House of Representatives and the Senate, adopt its own rules. So technically, the Congress - meaning both parts - will not vote on the rules proposals before the House offered by Republicans... only the House of Representatives will vote on the rules for their body. An important distinction if only for former government teachers. ;)
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I should think that is understood... that each body will have a chance to vote on it's own rules, and each party in each body will have it's chance to make rules changes to be voted on.

Sorry if I was unclear.
 
glad there is a similar meeting of Great Minds. ;)
 
It seems we have had something similar in the past. Newt called it “contract with America” others called it “contact on America” it ended up being a farce.



< Government and Operational Reforms>

On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to pass eight major reforms:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;

2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;

3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;

5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;

7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;

8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
 
donc said:
It seems we have had something similar in the past. Newt called it “contract with America” others called it “contact on America” it ended up being a farce.



< Government and Operational Reforms>

On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to pass eight major reforms:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;

2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;

3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;

5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;

7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;

8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
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wanna bet this will be a farce as well?
 
On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to pass eight major reforms:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;to include loss of pension if convicted of any felony

2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;Auditing firm must not have been under indictment for fraud in the last 10 years

3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;

5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;excluding lobbiests

7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;likewise a tax decrease

8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
 
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megaprogman said:
I thought the people who could least afford it were parasites living off the right or somesuch nonsense.
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Just because you think that, doesn't make it so.
I didn't say not to make them pay at all, I said it needed to be across the board so everyone gets hit a little bit. Everyone needs a dog in the hunt for us to get out of this mess.
 
UtahBill said:
On the first day of their majority in the House, the Republicans promised to pass eight major reforms:

1. require all laws that apply to the rest of the country also apply to Congress;to include loss of pension if convicted of any felony

2. select a major, independent auditing firm to conduct a comprehensive audit of Congress for waste, fraud or abuse;Auditing firm must not have been under indictment for fraud in the last 10 years

3. cut the number of House committees, and cut committee staff by one-third;

4. limit the terms of all committee chairs;

5. ban the casting of proxy votes in committee;

6. require committee meetings to be open to the public;excluding lobbiests

7. require a three-fifths majority vote to pass a tax increase;likewise a tax decrease

8. guarantee an honest accounting of the Federal Budget by implementing zero base-line budgeting.
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Those are some very good proposals thast I would be proud to support.
 
Barbbtx said:
Just because you think that, doesn't make it so.
I didn't say not to make them pay at all, I said it needed to be across the board so everyone gets hit a little bit. Everyone needs a dog in the hunt for us to get out of this mess.
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I agree that we are certainly going to need to raise taxes on everyone to pay down the budget. I don't support it as a matter of principal, just practicality for our current problem and I will certainly support changing it back once things are more normal.
 
megaprogman said:
I agree that we are certainly going to need to raise taxes on everyone to pay down the budget. I don't support it as a matter of principal, just practicality for our current problem and I will certainly support changing it back once things are more normal.
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disagree. taxes do not need to be raised on those who are just getting by. do that, and they need to take advantage of other costly programs. families of 4 making under 40 or 50k don't need additional taxes.
 
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liblady said:
disagree. taxes do not need to be raised on those who are just getting by. do that, and they need to take advantage of other costly programs. families of 4 making under 40 or 50k don't need additional taxes.
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Implement taxes on cell phone usage, especially texting....that should pay down the national debt in a year or so..and the "poor" will be paying a substantial part of it...
 
liblady said:
disagree. taxes do not need to be raised on those who are just getting by. do that, and they need to take advantage of other costly programs. families of 4 making under 40 or 50k don't need additional taxes.
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Our son is a teacher, 12 years now, with wife and 3 kids, and makes about $50K from the school, without school paid healthcare insurance for his family, that cost him about $7K extra for a private policy to cover them, he has to DJ and coach basketball to make ends meet...
 
Hey Leftists,

The corruption hearings begin in January. No mercy folks. No mercy for you. Alinsky rules apply. No Mo Mercy.
 
Albert Di Salvo said:
Hey Leftists,

The corruption hearings begin in January. No mercy folks. No mercy for you. Alinsky rules apply. No Mo Mercy.
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In other words, lets hound this guy like we did clinton because we have a personal dislike of him.
 
megaprogman said:
In other words, lets hound this guy like we did clinton because we have a personal dislike of him.
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No. Lets destroy leftist ideology by destroying its living embodiment. We can't wait to get at you. We are going to fight you and force you to fail. Failure is your future.
 
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