• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

Ultimately,, the consumer pays nearly all taxes....
Actual costs for many items are higher than the price we pay at the time of purchase. The hidden costs are paid in the form of taxes that we pay to run the govt. When big biz doesn't pay taxes, we pick up the slack.
OTOH, we are back to the consumer paying nearly all taxes.
Circle Jerk, anyone?
 
ptif219 said:
Dem want to tax the middle class.
Click to expand...

Please show something supporting that statement -- 1 fact that shows Dems support a new tax that would only effect the middle class.



The high unemployment Obama ignores hurts the middle class
Click to expand...

So, Obama should be giving out jobs...?? I thought you Tea Partiers called that socialism...
 
The Baron said:
"Why should my taxes subsidize another corporation? Can't these capitalists start a business and make it work without a sugar tit?" - shintao

The ugly truth is that corporations do not pay any taxes.

Zero.

Nada.

None.

Any cost they acquire due to taxes is simply added to the cost of the final product and the consumer pays that tax, known as a "hidden tax".

One way to spur the ecomony is to eliminate all corporate taxes (which is being paid for by the consumer, anyway). This will have the effect of reducing the cost of goods and increasing demand for those goods.
Click to expand...

I agee completely.

Let me expand your thoughts, besides eliminating corporate taxes (that we pay), eliminate all corporate regulation (that we pay), take the cap off lawsuits, and let the consumer & the corporation stand on their own two feet. This will shift responsibility and court rewards to the harmed consumer, and force corporations to either clean up their own mess or go out of business.
 
Last edited:
hazlnut said:
Please show something supporting that statement -- 1 fact that shows Dems support a new tax that would only effect the middle class.





So, Obama should be giving out jobs...?? I thought you Tea Partiers called that socialism...
Click to expand...

For sstarters Obamacare and increased taxes on small business.

What has Obama done to encourage the private sector to hire. All Obama has done is grow government
 
ptif219 said:
For sstarters Obamacare and increased taxes on small business.
Click to expand...

Let's see proof of this supposed increased tax on small business by Obama?

What has Obama done to encourage the private sector to hire. All Obama has done is grow government
Click to expand...

He provide $288 billion in middle class tax relief, and he provided $275 billion in contracts, grants, and loans for jobs creation.
Recovery.gov - Tracking the Money

That is how he reversed the unemployment trend he inherited:

lost-jobs-obama.GIF

WatchMojo.com blogs - news - Business
 
Catawba said:
Let's see proof of this supposed increased tax on small business by Obama?



He provide $288 billion in middle class tax relief, and he provided $275 billion in contracts, grants, and loans for jobs creation.
Recovery.gov - Tracking the Money

That is how he reversed the unemployment trend he inherited:

lost-jobs-obama.GIF

WatchMojo.com blogs - news - Business
Click to expand...

What about Obama care and what it will cost small business?

Obama tax breaks help very few

What's in Obama's tax breaks for small businesses - Sep. 9, 2010
 
Catawba said:
LOL! You completely ignore the documented reversal in job losses under Obama and to refute your claim that Obama increased taxes on small businesses, you post a link showing Obama's proposed tax break for small business of $200 billion does not go far enough. :sun
Click to expand...

Did you notice he completely switched his arguments? He abandoned his early argument to move just to Obamacare. Don't let him pull that kind of crap.
 
Catawba said:
LOL! You completely ignore the documented reversal in job losses under Obama and to refute your claim that Obama increased taxes on small businesses, you post a link showing Obama's proposed tax break for small business of $200 billion does not go far enough. :sun
Click to expand...

You mean the Obama lies in recovery.gov. Got any real proof
 
obvious Child said:
Did you notice he completely switched his arguments? He abandoned his early argument to move just to Obamacare. Don't let him pull that kind of crap.
Click to expand...

You want Obamacare

Obamacare Socks Middle Class With $3.9B in Taxes

Healthcare reform will produce an additional tax burden of $3.9 billion in 2019 alone for families making less than $200,000, according to Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation.

The new plan restricts the medical expense deduction, which is commonly used by the elderly or those with a serious illness, to raise $15.2 billion in 10 years.

Starting in 2013, you can only deduct medical expenses greater than 10 percent of your adjusted gross income (AGI). Now the threshold is 7.5 percent. That increase starts for older taxpayers in 2017.

By 2019, when the law fully kicks in, the deduction reduction will hurt 14.8 million taxpayers — 14.7 million of whom will earn less than $200,000 a year, according to the committee, whose report was obtained by The Hill newspaper.

That includes single and joint filers and heads of households.
 
ptif219 said:
You want Obamacare
Click to expand...

What in the world does health care have to do with the price of oil? Please try to focus on the thread topic.

Answer me this - Given that US produced oil goes into the world market where we buy it, how do you propose that Obama, or any president, lower the price of oil we are buying from the world market?
 
ptif219 said:
For sstarters Obamacare and increased taxes on small business.
Click to expand...

Both false talking points that have been debunked.

Since you can't be bothered to ever post links, I won't bother to post links to the many, many fact-checking articles the debunk all those talking points. (I've posted them in other threads).

What has Obama done to encourage the private sector to hire. All Obama has done is grow government
Click to expand...

Your lack of knowledge about the actual powers and responsibilities of the executive branch is distressing. I suggest you take a civics class.
 
Catawba said:
What in the world does health care have to do with the price of oil? Please try to focus on the thread topic.

Answer me this - Given that US produced oil goes into the world market where we buy it, how do you propose that Obama, or any president, lower the price of oil we are buying from the world market?
Click to expand...

Just showing how Obama is hurting the middle class as he is with his drilling moratorium and his wanting to keep gas prices high
 
hazlnut said:
Both false talking points that have been debunked.

Since you can't be bothered to ever post links, I won't bother to post links to the many, many fact-checking articles the debunk all those talking points. (I've posted them in other threads).



Your lack of knowledge about the actual powers and responsibilities of the executive branch is distressing. I suggest you take a civics class.
Click to expand...

You won't post links because I have shown facts
 
ptif219 said:
Just showing how Obama is hurting the middle class as he is with his drilling moratorium and his wanting to keep gas prices high
Click to expand...

What in the HELL are you talking about!?!? Before I whip out my can of smack..... please explain yourself.
HOW is Obama doing anything regarding oil and prices of gas? He hasent done shat either way!
 
Catawba said:
He has already provided you with 2 sources here: http://www.debatepolitics.com/breaking-news-mainstream-media/88311-oil-rises-above-90-amid-us-crude-supply-drop-134.html#post1059453235

Are you serious that you do not know what subsidies are, or that we are giving them to the oil companies despite their highest profits in history?
Click to expand...


I want to read exactly what Bill's explanation is, not Boehner's not some other, but his. And now yours. The failure to answer this simple question shows the weakness of your class warfare argument, and the disingenuousness of your argument. Now, would you like to answer the questions? or do I get more obfuscation?

j-mac
 
The Giant Noodle said:
What in the HELL are you talking about!?!? Before I whip out my can of smack..... please explain yourself.
HOW is Obama doing anything regarding oil and prices of gas? He hasent done shat either way!
Click to expand...

So he doesn't care if gas prices hurt the middle class. Thanks for proving my point. Instead Obama stops drilling while he gives loans to other countries to drill
 
ptif219 said:
Just showing how Obama is hurting the middle class as he is with his drilling moratorium and his wanting to keep gas prices high
Click to expand...

What's your evidence that he 'wants' gas prices hight?
 
his appointment of chu and salazar

hello

unbelievable lack of awareness

par for the course

seeya at the polls, progressives
 
hazlnut said:
What's your evidence that he 'wants' gas prices hight?
Click to expand...



In this clip he is speaking about electric, but energy is energy. I am sure he has no problem with gas reaching $6 per gallon because he thinks that will force people to greener transportation. It's control.

j-mac
 
hazlnut said:
What's your evidence that he 'wants' gas prices hight?
Click to expand...

He knows his policies cause it. How could he not know that banning offshore drilling (in a sense) will increase prices?
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Back
Top Bottom