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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

I am pretty sure that the oil companies have leases in the millions of acres that they are not drilling on now. Why would they lease land that hasn't already been determined to have oil? Why aren't they drilling on their existing leases?
They should drill, or lose their leases....
 
I am pretty sure that the oil companies have leases in the millions of acres that they are not drilling on now. Why would they lease land that hasn't already been determined to have oil? Why aren't they drilling on their existing leases?
They should drill, or lose their leases....

Bill, you are a very smart guy, and I have come to respect what you have to say in this area, until this statement....Allow me to ask, just because a company holds a lease to the land, does that mean that they can start drilling the next day?

Consider:

Based upon geologic formations and other modeling, energy companies identify potential areas for production and then obtain leases to explore for oil and gas. But because these resources are not evenly distributed, many of these leases do not (and cannot) lead to production. Assuming all currently leased acreage can produce oil and gas is like assuming you can pump water out of every well, whether it’s filled with water or bone dry.
In addition, many of these leases targeted by the Obama administration have not been held long enough to reach the production phase. Once a lease is obtained, it can take years until production begins. In addition to costly investments in exploration technology, companies must navigate the circuitous leasing and permitting process inside the EPA and the Department of Interior, paying millions or even billions of dollars often just to hold on to what little acreage the government has kept open for production. Under a ten year lease, it’s not uncommon for companies to need nearly all of the time allowed just to reach the production phase.
The idea that a company would spend five years and $3 billion, as in the case of Shell in Alaska, just to keep its operations idle is a concept that could only be formulated by people with appallingly little business acumen.
Contrary to the beliefs of “use it or lose it” proponents, drilling for oil is quite a bit more complicated that jamming a straw into a Big Gulp. And as long as the current administration and its cheerleaders in Congress willfully ignore the facts in the pursuit of political gain, America’s broken energy policy will remain broken, and the millions of jobs to be gained from expanding domestic energy production will never be created.

Obama Wants to Tax Energy Companies for Not Drilling

j-mac
 
Love the Times demonizing article to which they only claim to have these memo's, but fail to publish them....Why do you think that is?

In any case could you answer my questions that I posed please?

j-mac
When prices drop oil companies cut production to get prices up. When prices are low they cut exporation. Big oil has bought up dozens of refineries and shut them down since 1984 to keep gas supplies where they want them. They have 11 refineries sitting idle, yet you folks scream we don't have enough refineries. Answer my question: Do you honestly believe oil companies want lower prices?

http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/petr...ns/refinery_capacity_data/current/table15.pdf
 
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When prices drop oil companies cut production to get prices up. When prices are low they cut exporation. Big oil has bought up dozens of refineries and shut them down since 1984 to keep gas supplies where they want them. They have 11 refineries sitting idle, yet you folks scream we don't have enough refineries. Answer my question: Do you honestly believe oil companies want lower prices?

http://www.eia.gov/pub/oil_gas/petr...ns/refinery_capacity_data/current/table15.pdf


I still have yet to hear you answer my chief question USA, why are you dodging it?

What do you consider a fair profit for a corporation to make in percentage terms?

Now I have another question on this post,

How much of that $3.65 gallon of gas is actual cost of the product, and how much is tax?


j-mac
 
Bill, you are a very smart guy, and I have come to respect what you have to say in this area, until this statement....Allow me to ask, just because a company holds a lease to the land, does that mean that they can start drilling the next day?

Consider:



j-mac

OK, what is stopping them from exploring on their leases? And this issue of holding leases and not exploring and/or drilling is not new. It has been going on for a long time. Surely you don't think that Obama is the only obstacle for the last 10 years? Or that ALL of the leases are being held up by the current administration.
BTW, I was watching the Presidents speech on his energy policy this morning, and CNN cut it off. I had to find it on the internet to watch the rest of it.
Seems that CNN thinks there are more important, or more "entertaining" issues to spoon feed the public....
 
I still have yet to hear you answer my chief question USA, why are you dodging it?

What do you consider a fair profit for a corporation to make in percentage terms?

Now I have another question on this post,

How much of that $3.65 gallon of gas is actual cost of the product, and how much is tax?


j-mac

Whatever the tax is, it isn't enough. There are very few countries in the world that pay less than Americans for gasoline.
Raising the price thru taxes will likely be the only way to reduce our addiction to transportation on demand.
Instant gratification has become expected, and it is wasteful....
 
OK, what is stopping them from exploring on their leases? And this issue of holding leases and not exploring and/or drilling is not new. It has been going on for a long time. Surely you don't think that Obama is the only obstacle for the last 10 years? Or that ALL of the leases are being held up by the current administration.
BTW, I was watching the Presidents speech on his energy policy this morning, and CNN cut it off. I had to find it on the internet to watch the rest of it.
Seems that CNN thinks there are more important, or more "entertaining" issues to spoon feed the public....


I agree, CNN and the rest of them can be real garbage from time to time. But lets take at look at what you asked me here....

OK, what is stopping them from exploring on their leases?

Permitting and regulation, as well as from what I understand possibly not a good track of land to explore.

And this issue of holding leases and not exploring and/or drilling is not new. It has been going on for a long time.

Yes it has, the EPA is a farce.

Surely you don't think that Obama is the only obstacle for the last 10 years?

No, but contrary to his words he is hampering it as much as he can now.

Or that ALL of the leases are being held up by the current administration.

He is the administration in power now, so by default at this moment he IS the one to blame.

I saw something on Discovery that was going through the process of how these leases and permitting was processed. And from what it sounded like in todays market, the Govt was granting leases which the oil companies had to pay for, on tracks of land that the Govt picked, and then made them sit on those leases while they went through the permitting process sometimes not happening until the lease was up then charging them again. What a joke.

j-mac
 
I think you just made that up. Let's see the vote on a GOP "drill baby drill" bill that the Democrats defeated in the Republican controlled congress. Link please?

On December 15, 2005 Senator Ted Stevens, a Republican from Alaska, attached an Arctic Refuge drilling amendment to the annual defense appropriations bill. A group of Democratic Senators led a successful filibuster of the bill on December 21, and the language was subsequently removed.

Arctic Refuge drilling controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Any more questions ???
 

WASHINGTON — Opening an Alaska wildlife refuge to oil development would only slightly reduce America’s dependence on imports and would lower oil prices by less than 50 cents a barrel, according to an analysis released Tuesday by the Energy Department.

The report, issued by the Energy Information Administration, or EIA, said that if Congress gave the go-ahead to pump oil from Alaska’s Arctic National Wildlife Refuge, the crude could begin flowing by 2013 and reach a peak of 876,000 barrels a day by 2025.
..........................US oil consumption:
21,000,000 barrels per day
 
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..........................US oil consumption:
21,000,000 barrels per day

Now, you can attempt to explain what this remotely has to do with my post.

Good luck.
 
Now, you can attempt to explain what this remotely has to do with my post.

Good luck.

That drilling ANWR would not make any difference in the price of gas....................simple.
 
Now, you can attempt to explain what this remotely has to do with my post.

Good luck.


I think his argument is based in one area won't solve all of America's energy needs immediately so why try.....Regardless of how laughable that approach is.


j-mac
 
That drilling ANWR would not make any difference in the price of gas....................simple.

Nice, but my post had nothing to do with the price of gas or even drilling in ANWR.

Try reading before responding next time. It really helps so that you don't look so foolish next time.
 
What do you consider a fair profit for a corporation to make in percentage terms?

Whatever we are dumb enough to pay them without taking measures ourselves either to conserve of find an alternative.
 
Whatever we are dumb enough to pay them without taking measures ourselves either to conserve of find an alternative.

Do you have a car, or do you really ride the hoarse in you avatar photo?

j-mac
 

This is your big GOP, drill baby drill, bill? LOL!

From your article:

"The issue has been used by both Democrats and Republicans as a political device, especially through contentious election cycles, and has been the subject of much debate in the National media"

That's exactly what I've been saying, that drill baby drill is nothing but a campaign slogan.

Further from your source:

"The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices."
 
Nice, but my post had nothing to do with the price of gas or even drilling in ANWR.

It also has nothing to counter the fact that we passed peak oil in this country in 1971, regardless of who as in control of the government.
 
This is your big GOP, drill baby drill, bill? LOL!

From your article:

"The issue has been used by both Democrats and Republicans as a political device, especially through contentious election cycles, and has been the subject of much debate in the National media"

That's exactly what I've been saying, that drill baby drill is nothing but a campaign slogan.

Further from your source:

"The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices."


Ah, now we are back to the old, tired, and debunked America only has 2-6% of the worlds oil....Crapola....

MYTH: The U.S. only has a small percentage (from 2-6%) of the world’s oil supplies, and since oil is a global commodity, our increased production won’t affect prices much if at all.
FACT: This estimate of 2-6% of the world’s oil supplies does not hold up to scrutiny.
In oil shale alone, found in the Green River Formation in parts of Utah, Colorado, and Wyoming, the U.S. has approximately 800 billion barrels of recoverable oil, or over three times the proven reserves of Saudi Arabia. This comes from a midpoint estimate in a 2005 RAND study done at the request of the Department of Energy, and a higher end estimate puts the number at over one trillion barrels.
Furthermore, there are vast areas of the United States and its outer continental shelf where it is illegal to even look for oil. Exploration routinely yields additional resources far larger than initial estimates.
Resources from oil shale and additional oil resources that are likely to be discovered are not included in the estimates of American oil supplies.

Answering the Critics: Myths About Oil Drilling - Solutions Academy

j-mac
 
This is your big GOP, drill baby drill, bill? LOL!

From your article:

"The issue has been used by both Democrats and Republicans as a political device, especially through contentious election cycles, and has been the subject of much debate in the National media"

That's exactly what I've been saying, that drill baby drill is nothing but a campaign slogan.

Further from your source:

"The total production from ANWR would be between 0.4 and 1.2 percent of total world oil consumption in 2030. Consequently, ANWR oil production is not projected to have a large impact on world oil prices."

Oh no.. you're attempt to slip away from your original challenge won't work.

You said to show you an instance where the Democratic minority stopped drilling anywhere in the U.S.

That's exactly what I did.

Pretty pitiful attempt on your part.
 
Do you have a car, or do you really ride the hoarse in you avatar photo?

j-mac

I have a hybrid pony, a solar heated wigwam, and enough sense to recognize that we passed peak oil in this country 40 years ago. What about you?
 
I have a hybrid pony, a solar heated wigwam, and enough sense to recognize that we passed peak oil in this country 40 years ago. What about you?


I drive a P/U and drive 18 wheeler for work....burn baby burn.....So you have a hybrid....Wonderful.


j-mac
 
Oh no.. you're attempt to slip away from your original challenge won't work.

You said to show you an instance where the Democratic minority stopped drilling anywhere in the U.S.

That's exactly what I did.

Pretty pitiful attempt on your part.

Oh, you just wanted a technical victory with your pizz ant ANWR drilling that wouldn't amount to any significant change in peak oil or prices, Ok. When you have something that actually challenges that we passed peak oil 40 years, please let me know.
 
I drive a P/U and drive 18 wheeler for work....burn baby burn.....So you have a hybrid....Wonderful.


j-mac


And which of us is bitching about the price of gas? Laugh baby laugh!!!
 
Oh, you just wanted a technical victory with your pizz ant ANWR drilling that wouldn't amount to any significant change in peak oil or prices, Ok. When you have something that actually challenges that we passed peak oil 40 years, please let me know.

You're just mad because I proved you wrong and then called your hand when you tried to weasel out of it by changing the subject.

I'll take you admission that I was right though.
 
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