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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

Gill said:
No record unemployment ???? You really need to read up a little on the late 1970s.

Don't you remember reading that unemployment under Obama is the worst it's been since the early 1980s. That's the recession that Carter started and Reagan ended.

Carter also had the highest Misery Index of any president in history.
Misery index (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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yes, he was considered the worst president in modern history, until GWB came along...
 
Carters
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That is the concept of the energy policy we will present on Wednesday. Our national energy plan is based on ten fundamental principles.
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Yep, too bad his own party shot him down. Guess they thought his policy was bad for the country.
 
UtahBill said:
yes, he was considered the worst president in modern history, until GWB came along...
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Really?? I guess you didn't read the misery index in the link I provided:

Carter - 16.26

GW Bush - 8.11

Less than half of Carter's.
 
Gill said:
Really?? I guess you didn't read the misery index in the link I provided:

Carter - 16.26

GW Bush - 8.11

Less than half of Carter's.
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Misery is only one index....
but you probably have others...
 
Gill said:
Really?? I guess you didn't read the misery index in the link I provided:

Carter - 16.26

GW Bush - 8.11

Less than half of Carter's.
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That means alot, since the misery Bush created started right when he was about to leave office. No president caused more damage to this nation than Bush or left the country in worse condition. Misery index? We will be feeling Bush's for decades.
 
Gill said:
Yep, too bad his own party shot him down. Guess they thought his policy was bad for the country.
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Yes it's too bad.. In the long run it would have led to energy independence. Too bad elected officials are only concerned about the present and getting re-elected.
 
USA_1 said:
Yes it's too bad.. In the long run it would have led to energy independence. Too bad elected officials are only concerned about the present and getting re-elected.
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And you're not? Mr. Independent.....LOL that's a hoot.


j-mac
 
USA_1 said:
That means alot, since the misery Bush created started right when he was about to leave office. No president caused more damage to this nation than Bush or left the country in worse condition. Misery index? We will be feeling Bush's for decades.
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We'll see. We've definitely been feeling Carters for decades now.

Obama could easily give Carter a run for his money though... he's already above 10, two points over Bush's average over 8 years.

Funny thing though... Bush's dropped almost half a point during his presidency, Obama's has risen over three points since he became president.

Guess that blows a few holes in your liberal wet dream.
 
UtahBill said:
yes, he was considered the worst president in modern history, until GWB came along...
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What was so bad about Carter? Inflation? Gas Prices? Interest rates? A president has no control over any of those things. Nixon tried to control inflation and gas prices with his "wage and price freeze" and that only made them worse.
 
USA_1 said:
What was so bad about Carter? Inflation? Gas Prices? Interest rates? A president has no control over any of those things. Nixon tried to control inflation and gas prices with his "wage and price freeze" and that only made them worse.
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Yep, wasn't his fault.... guess that's why he was reelected so easily, right ??
 
USA_1 said:
What was so bad about Carter? Inflation? Gas Prices? Interest rates? A president has no control over any of those things. Nixon tried to control inflation and gas prices with his "wage and price freeze" and that only made them worse.
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So there are only bad policies when repubs do them.....Got it.


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
My energy plan? I wasn't aware I needed to have hammered out my own policy. Isn't that what we elect people for? See Bill, this is that equivalence argument, or should I say fallacy that you liberals love to hang on to. I don't need to be a cop or lawyer to argue laws and policies, I don't need to be a Nuclear engineer to hold an opinion on Nuclear energy, I don't need to be a real estate expert to buy a house, I offer my opinions on things using what God gave me, and that is a sense of reason, and the ability to learn things. What you do is only try and stifle that opinion by using the silly argument of equivalence that only serves the purpose to show reasoned persons that you have lost the argument.

Thanks for playin'.....


j-mac
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calling me a liberal and thanking me for playing, does that mean you win? I think not...

Our government SHOULD have an energy policy, but it does not, so I implement my own, for me, and it is heavily biased towards conservation, since I have no say in how energy is created, delivered, billed, etc.
The GOP has more conservatives than liberals, right? Doesn't it make sense that a conservative would want to conserve limited resources?
Agree, you don't need to be anything to have an opinion. But informed opinions carry more weight than ignorant ones.
And I don't know what you mean by liberals and their equivalence argument, since I am not a liberal. Carter is the only democrat I ever voted for.
And I apologize if you feel stifled....it is not my intent to stifle intellectual discourse.
OTOH, I love to stifle wrong headed thinking....:2razz:
 
Gill said:
We'll see. We've definitely been feeling Carters for decades now.

Obama could easily give Carter a run for his money though... he's already above 10, two points over Bush's average over 8 years.

Funny thing though... Bush's dropped almost half a point during his presidency, Obama's has risen over three points since he became president.

Guess that blows a few holes in your liberal wet dream.
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No, we are feeling the effects of Reagan's Savings and loan collapse and 180+ billion bailout, his deficit spending and his foriegn policies that bred terrorism.
I am not a liberal. Just a realist that relies on truth not politics.
Anyone that relies on the misery index to guage a president is totally ignorant of history.
 
j-mac said:
So there are only bad policies when repubs do them.....Got it.


j-mac
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he didn't say that....you inferred it, showing your bias...
Both parties have been guilty of bad policies, but in this case, we have NO policy for energy....can anyone deny that we need one?
 
USA_1 said:
No, we are feeling the effects of Reagan's Savings and loan collapse and 180+ billion bailout, his deficit spending and his foriegn policies that bred terrorism.
I am not a liberal. Just a realist that relies on truth not politics.
Anyone that relies on the misery index to guage a president is totally ignorant of history.
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Ahh, so any index that shows your favorite politician in a bad light = bad

Gotcha. :roll:

EXCEPT, it was your boy, Carter, that made the Misery Index a common indicator of the country's mood when he lambasted Ford for having a Misery Index of 13.57 in 1976. It was poetic justice that Carter's Misery Index was 21.98 in 1980, the highest in history, right before he was trounced by Reagan.
 
Catawba said:
From your own article, you missed this part, "“There was no intent to mislead the public,” Barkoff said in a statement to POLITICO. “The decision to impose a temporary moratorium on deepwater drilling was made by the secretary, following consultation with colleagues including the White House.”

And this part, "“As the report makes clear, the misunderstanding with the reviewers was resolved with the June 3rd letter and a subsequent conference call with the experts we consulted,” Barkoff said."

Read more: Interior inspector general: White House skewed drilling-ban report - Dan Berman - POLITICO.comJ2
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Oh come on now Catawba .... do you really think they would come out and say anything else ??? I mean really ..
 
USA_1 said:
What was so bad about Carter? Inflation? Gas Prices? Interest rates? A president has no control over any of those things. Nixon tried to control inflation and gas prices with his "wage and price freeze" and that only made them worse.
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Just shakes head .. it fun to watch a liberal at work ….

First he says that a president has “no control” over inflation, gas prices, and interest rate … of course that is in defense of his hero … then in the very next sentence .. he says Nixon made them worse …

So what is it …. does a president have control over them or not .. or is just a liberal president that doesn't have any control …..... over anything ???
 
UtahBill said:
he didn't say that....you inferred it, showing your bias...
Both parties have been guilty of bad policies, but in this case, we have NO policy for energy....can anyone deny that we need one?
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And why don't we … we had 8 years of Clinton, over 2 years of Obama … and still no plan .... but I understand .. it was “only” Bush and Reagan's fault ..
 
USA_1 said:
No, we are feeling the effects of Reagan's Savings and loan collapse and 180+ billion bailout, his deficit spending and his foriegn policies that bred terrorism.
I am not a liberal. Just a realist that relies on truth not politics.
Anyone that relies on the misery index to guage a president is totally ignorant of history.
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Hmmm .... and what foriegn policies are you talking about during the Reagan years that bred terrorism ??
 
The Barbarian said:
And why don't we … we had 8 years of Clinton, over 2 years of Obama … and still no plan .... but I understand .. it was “only” Bush and Reagan's fault ..
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If you are going to quote me, read me first....I said BOTH PARTIES.....:2razz:
 
The Barbarian said:
Oh come on now Catawba .... do you really think they would come out and say anything else ??? I mean really ..
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The reviewers who had questioned it are satisfied. What else do you want?
 
Catawba said:
The reviewers who had questioned it are satisfied. What else do you want?
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nodding .. yeah it was just a mistake ... nothing to worry about ... . but why .. does it seems when a democrat misrepresents, misquotes, or other wise lie, why it was just a mistake and it's okay ......So you your opinion, it was perfectly okay for Obama to say his decision was based on expert opinion, when in fact it wasn't .... and it was his own need to close drilling in the gulf ?? You don't think that people would have not been behind the ban as they were, if it was stated to the public that the experts disagreed with Obama that a ban wasn't needed.

it's nice to know that you don't blame Bush for going into Iraq, because he didn't really do anything different did he ?
 
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