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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

Source? Ten Chars

Source for what?

Large vehicles, used cars drove 2010: Edmunds

he past year was marked by increased demand for larger vehicles and used cars, and automakers outside Japan scaled back incentives, car shopping website Edmunds.com said in its review of 2010 trends. Consumers were warmer to trucks and sport utility vehicles as gas prices remained stable. For 2010, Edmunds expects truck sales rose 15% and SUV sales 21%. Meanwhile, sales of mid-sized and compact cars are expected to be up 7.8% and 1.1%, respectively. Hybrid car sales are seen down 8.1%. Used cars were also more popular: Their average price was US$19,345 this month.
 
Source for what?

Large vehicles, used cars drove 2010: Edmunds

he past year was marked by increased demand for larger vehicles and used cars, and automakers outside Japan scaled back incentives, car shopping website Edmunds.com said in its review of 2010 trends. Consumers were warmer to trucks and sport utility vehicles as gas prices remained stable. For 2010, Edmunds expects truck sales rose 15% and SUV sales 21%. Meanwhile, sales of mid-sized and compact cars are expected to be up 7.8% and 1.1%, respectively. Hybrid car sales are seen down 8.1%. Used cars were also more popular: Their average price was US$19,345 this month.

You are conveniently ignoring the dynamics of fuel prices. The last time we seen oil > $100/ barrel......... Hopefully you get the point.
 
You are conveniently ignoring the dynamics of fuel prices. The last time we seen oil > $100/ barrel......... Hopefully you get the point.

The last time it happened freight prices went up and I made lots of money
 
The market has decided, haven't you got the memo? Once gasoline eclipses $4, the chatter will begin once again.

But, should the government be intentionally effect gas prices, just to boost hybrid car sales?

That's not really the kind of country we want to live in, is it?

Personally, I would rather my product sell because it's a superior product, not because conditions have been created that leave people with no other choice.

Not to mention how the people who have no choice but to drive lower mpg vehicles are ass ****ed. Not exactly what I would call, "hope-n-change".
 
I am sure that you can explain how paying actual costs to produce and deliver a product, plus a little profit, is liberal thinking?
Or do you want to subsidize fuel costs? How is that conservative?
And since when does a "very conservative" poster care about the "poor"? You know, those who are sucking the unemployment teat, the welfare teat, etc.
Today we subsidize fuel costs so the poor won't have to pay a little more for food, tomorrow we subsidize their health care. Are you sure you are a conservative?
Somebody step on your flipflops today?

That was sarcasm, in case someone missed the meaning between the lines...

You must REALLY hate commuter trains then. Sound Transit promised that a new commuter train between Seattle and Everett would cost around $89 million and have a rideship of between 600,000 and 800,000 by 2010. The project actually cost $385 million and has an annual ridership of around 150,000. But here's the real kicker..... the cost to ride the train is $3 each way, $6 for a round trip. The taxpayers subsidize each round trip $547.

What would the ridership figures look like if each round trip reflected the actual cost or $550. Even if you take construction costs out of the fares, the true cost to operate the train would result in a $38. fare. That's for a trip of less than 30 miles.

How's that for a subsidy ??
 
How did he cause oil shortages? by pissing off the OPEC countries, maybe?

Coal producing states should be protected from economic reality? What are you, some kind of socialist?:2razz:

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Thursday I paid $4.19 a gallon for Ethanol free. Today I paid $3.43 for mid grade with ethanol
 
Thursday I paid $4.19 a gallon for Ethanol free. Today I paid $3.43 for mid grade with ethanol


Isn't it Cas Sustien (sic) that has the book out, "Nudge"? Uh huh.



j-mac
 
You must REALLY hate commuter trains then. Sound Transit promised that a new commuter train between Seattle and Everett would cost around $89 million and have a rideship of between 600,000 and 800,000 by 2010. The project actually cost $385 million and has an annual ridership of around 150,000. But here's the real kicker..... the cost to ride the train is $3 each way, $6 for a round trip. The taxpayers subsidize each round trip $547.

What would the ridership figures look like if each round trip reflected the actual cost or $550. Even if you take construction costs out of the fares, the true cost to operate the train would result in a $38. fare. That's for a trip of less than 30 miles.

How's that for a subsidy ??

Logan, Utah area transit provides free bus rides.....ridership per bus is often, if not usually, lower than half a dozen passengers, at least from the north end of the route, in Hyde Park where we live half the year.

The Utah DOT head paid a multi million dollar settlemennt to the low bidder for a highway contract, when the low bidder did not get the contract, but a higher bidder did. The payment was made, supposedly, without the governor or the state legislature knowing in advance. The governor got re-elected anyway.....and last I heard, the DOT head is still working there....

These public transit systems are more often than not an excuse to keep construction companies busy, and their owners rich.
 
Here we go on our way to another manufactured crisis from Obama, and the radical leftist in this country.

I hope we last two more years.


j-mac

Yes ... because having high gas prices makes the populous want to vote for you ...

It worked so well for Bush.
 
We are the laughingstock of the world. We're sitting on more oil than probably any country in the world, and yet, we won't use our OWN resources.

Stupid.

Of course Senator Obama pointed to the Iraq War... the moron. Let's see... we exploit our plentiful energy resources and what might happen? Instead he wanted to turn food into ethanol, ramp up on government subsidized propeller driven energy, make cars less safe by forcing mfg.'s to cut weight and therefore safety, and have us drive cars that don't work well when it gets cold. Brilliant. We have coal (which he wants to bankrupt), oil, gas and nukes. He's all for propellers, food and capturing cow farts.

The Illinois senator argued that the war had raised costs for American households by $100 a month, and that it had contributed to higher oil prices. “When you’re spending over $50 to fill up your car because the price of oil is four times what it was before Iraq, you’re paying a price for this war,” he said.
Obama Ties Iraq War to High Oil Prices, Weak Economy - Washington Wire - WSJ

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High gas prices is a good thing for us, it will make us conserve, and hopefully allow more of our troops to live.....
I don't like the idea of middle east wars that have the sole purpose of sustaining low gas prices.
 
We are the laughingstock of the world. We're sitting on more oil than probably any country in the world, and yet, we won't use our OWN resources.

Stupid.

Then why did US oil production drop when republicans had control of the country?
United States Oil - production - Economy

Year Oil - production Rank Percent Change Date of Information
2003 8,054,000 2 2001 est.
2004 8,054,000 2 0.00 % 2001 est.
2005 7,800,000 3 -3.15 % 2004 est.
2006 7,610,000 3 -2.44 % 2005 est.
2007 7,610,000 3 0.00 % 2005 est.
2008 8,457,000 3 11.13 % 2007 est.
2009 8,457,000 3 0.00 % 2007 est.
2010 9,056,000
 
High gas prices is a good thing for us, it will make us conserve, and hopefully allow more of our troops to live.....
I don't like the idea of middle east wars that have the sole purpose of sustaining low gas prices.

You are kidding, right? How much are we going to conserve if gas goes up a quarter? No dount this is good for Iran and Saudi and allows them to fund more terrorists but not sure how the math works in favor of the U.S. Please explain.
 
Of course Senator Obama pointed to the Iraq War... the moron. Let's see... we exploit our plentiful energy resources and what might happen? Instead he wanted to turn food into ethanol, ramp up on government subsidized propeller driven energy, make cars less safe by forcing mfg.'s to cut weight and therefore safety, and have us drive cars that don't work well when it gets cold. Brilliant. We have coal (which he wants to bankrupt), oil, gas and nukes. He's all for propellers, food and capturing cow farts.



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Ethanol is a Bush admin era program

Cars today are safer then they have been in the past and actually far heavier then cars of 20 years ago. The original VW GTi weighed around 2000lbs, todays GTi weighs around 3000 lbs. All the cars I have driven old and new do well in the cold.

And re Erod


The US does not have more oil then the rest of the world, it has oil shale which can not be profitably extracted at this point in time in vast quantities. You want to pay $10 a gallon for gas, try to use Oil shale to power America
 
Ethanol is a Bush admin era program

Cars today are safer then they have been in the past and actually far heavier then cars of 20 years ago. The original VW GTi weighed around 2000lbs, todays GTi weighs around 3000 lbs. All the cars I have driven old and new do well in the cold.

And re Erod


The US does not have more oil then the rest of the world, it has oil shale which can not be profitably extracted at this point in time in vast quantities. You want to pay $10 a gallon for gas, try to use Oil shale to power America

How about the oil equivilent of the nat gas we have? How about using nuclear like the French? How about allowing drilling in more than 500 feet in the gulf? How about drilling offshore on the East Coast?

I understand that Canada is getting rich by selling oil to the U.S. so it makes sense you would want to hold down production and alternatives here. But an American could/ should be distressed by our continued lack of energy policy. This problem has gone on for decades so to point to Bush or any president, other than the one in office who can do something now is tired hackery.
 
You are kidding, right? How much are we going to conserve if gas goes up a quarter? No dount this is good for Iran and Saudi and allows them to fund more terrorists but not sure how the math works in favor of the U.S. Please explain.

a quarter? I am talking about dollars.....$5 a gallon is still cheap compared to many other countries...
 
How about the oil equivilent of the nat gas we have? How about using nuclear like the French? How about allowing drilling in more than 500 feet in the gulf? How about drilling offshore on the East Coast?

I understand that Canada is getting rich by selling oil to the U.S. so it makes sense you would want to hold down production and alternatives here. But an American could/ should be distressed by our continued lack of energy policy. This problem has gone on for decades so to point to Bush or any president, other than the one in office who can do something now is tired hackery.

And where did I say the US did not have massive quantities of natural gas ( North East USA). My boss's son is heavily involved with the extraction of natural gas in the US NE (geophysicist), or that the US should not use nuclear power, or drill off the coast?

For all I would only suggest that strong safety and environmental regulations are in place and are enforced.

As for Canada getting rich, generally it is Alberta, that is getting rich, Sask and Newfoundland are doing well now. Alberta is actually hurting abit due to the shale gas that is now being extracted in ther NE driving down natural gas prices
 
a quarter? I am talking about dollars.....$5 a gallon is still cheap compared to many other countries...

I am all in favor of higher gas prices. The only way to get sustainable high prices is to have a high tax. No politician has the guts to do the right thing and have let's say a $1 gas surcharge.

I then do agree we could have somewhat less usage. We still need to develop our resources to really make a dent in what we import.
 
How about the oil equivilent of the nat gas we have? How about using nuclear like the French? How about allowing drilling in more than 500 feet in the gulf? How about drilling offshore on the East Coast?

I understand that Canada is getting rich by selling oil to the U.S. so it makes sense you would want to hold down production and alternatives here. But an American could/ should be distressed by our continued lack of energy policy. This problem has gone on for decades so to point to Bush or any president, other than the one in office who can do something now is tired hackery.

Nuclear power does not contribute to transportation fuel needs, except in the rare instance of nuclear power being used to charge a battery powered car. How many of those are on the road? Damn few, is how many. Natural gas is dangerous, any fuel in gaseous form is dangerous. Gasoline will not burn until it is converted to a vapor, likewise diesel. And we don't have the infrastructure to use natural gas for cars.
This last cold snap, so many people with natural gas heating used so much of it, that the line pressure dropped below what is required by Combined Cycle Natural Gas Turbine power plants, and they had to shut down. It was so cold in Texas that even coal plants were shutting down. When it comes to electric power, only nuclear operates well in extreme cold situations.
Neither electric cars or natural gas powered cars are the answer for the forseeable future.
Jimmy Carter was the only president with an engineering degree and thus able to better understand the complexities of our energy needs, and Reagan put a stop to most of the programs that Carter started.
 
political non starter, a fantasy

sorry

The right thing to do is not often the popular thing to do....
why should we pay less for gasoline than Mexico, for example? If the Mexican govt needs more money, they raise gasoline taxes. It hits everybody in their wallet, an equal opportunity tax....
Should be done on a state level first, no sense getting the feds in the middle of state highway projects.
 
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nyt, thursday:

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/25/business/economy/25econ.html

The American economy just can’t catch a break.

Last year, as things started looking up, the European debt crisis flustered the fragile recovery. Now, under similar economic circumstances, comes the turmoil in the Middle East.

If the recent rise in oil prices sticks, it will most likely slow a growth rate that is already too sluggish to produce many jobs in this country. Some economists are predicting that oil prices, just above $97 a barrel on Thursday, could be sustained well above $100 a barrel, a benchmark.

But other sources of economic uncertainty besides oil prices have come into sharper focus in recent days. After a few false starts, housing prices have slid further. New-home sales dropped sharply in January, as did sales of big-ticket items like appliances, the government reported Thursday.

Though the initial panic from last year has faded, Europe’s deep debt problems remain, creating another wild card for the global economy. Protests turned violent in Greece this week in response to new austerity measures.

Budget and debt problems at all levels of American government also threaten to crimp the domestic recovery. Struggling state and local governments may dismiss more workers this year as many face their deepest shortfalls since the economic downturn began, and a Congressional stalemate over the country’s budget could even lead to a federal government shutdown.

In the last week, oil prices have risen more than 10 percent and even breached $100 a barrel. A sustained $10 increase in oil prices would shave about two-tenths of a percentage point off economic growth, according to Dean Maki, chief United States economist at Barclays Capital. The Federal Reserve had forecast last week that the United States economy would grow by 3.4 to 3.9 percent in 2011, up from 2.9 percent last year.

Higher oil prices restrain growth because they translate to higher fuel prices for consumers and businesses.

the lady fails to include in her litany of bad luck the TWO POINT FIVE TRILLION DOLLAR shortfall felt by our states in PUBLIC PENSIONS ALONE

FT.com / US / Economy & Fed - US public pensions face $2,500bn shortfall
 
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