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Oil rises above $90 amid US crude supply drop

And the high price you pay for your wastefulness is not my concern. Happy motoring! :sun

I all ready pay high prices because I use ethanol free when the police state and environmentalists want us to be forced to use ethanol that does nothing besides make us use more
 
...as YOU have determined them to be :)

My choices so far have been between the US military, economic/energy/environmental/national security experts,

or, your unsubstantiated opinion. :sun
 
let people be happy with the way things are now.
Since you believe that it is unavoidable.

Don't worry, be happy! That's your new motto? Sure, happy motoring! Just don't be whining about the cost of gas since we ignored peak oil in this country for the last 40 years.
 
I'll check it out! Thanks! Right now I have the task ahead of me of mounting the 1.5 kw solar collector system I bought last year. I am very excited to see how much it will reduce my electric bill! :sun

you have reduced your consumption first, right? allows for a smaller solar system....
 
Ignoring a problem isn't a very good way of dealing with it....
Until we are independent of oil from our enemies at least, we won't know for sure just how bad things can get.
What if our friends, Mexico and Canada decide to reduct their sales to us? They can, you know....
 
you have reduced your consumption first, right? allows for a smaller solar system....

There are still some things I can do that will help a little more but I have addressed all the big issues of design, heating, cooling and lighting. My son has calculated that my payback period will be 7 years based on my current usage on a system warranted for 25 years. The more we can reduce our current usage, the quicker the payback period will be.
 
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Don't worry, be happy! That's your new motto? Sure, happy motoring! Just don't be whining about the cost of gas since we ignored peak oil in this country for the last 40 years.

I'm not worried.
We buy oil from other people, refine it to gas and it's all good.
It may be a more expensive but it's not a budget buster.
 
Ignoring a problem isn't a very good way of dealing with it....
Until we are independent of oil from our enemies at least, we won't know for sure just how bad things can get.
What if our friends, Mexico and Canada decide to reduct their sales to us? They can, you know....

Why would they, it makes no sense.

It's like saying, "hey I don't want all those customers to make money from."
You guys are being bugaboos.
 
I'm not worried.
We buy oil from other people, refine it to gas and it's all good.
It may be a more expensive but it's not a budget buster.

As long as you don't add in our war for oil cost in Iraq which has driven up our national debt or the cost of our sacrifice of tens of thousands of lives. But it is supposed to be another couple years anyway before it becomes a budget buster, according to the US Military. But that's at least two whole years away, so don't worry, be happy each time you pay more and more at the gas pump! :sun
 
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Not for another couple years anyway, according to the US Military. But don't worry, be happy each time you pay more and more at the gas pump! :sun

According to the military, it's all speculative on their end.
There is no firm rule on if there really is or is not a true peak oil.

Regardless though, people are already coming up with alternatives.
So again, there is no reason to be worried.
 
According to the military, it's all speculative on their end.
There is no firm rule on if there really is or is not a true peak oil.

Regardless though, people are already coming up with alternatives.
So again, there is no reason to be worried.

Tell it to the people whining about the National debt and high gas prices.
 
The national debt has nothing to do with this.

How do you think our war for oil in Iraq was paid for? Aren't Libertarians opposed to that sort of thing? I know it is in their platform. You opposed to the Libertarian platform?
 
According to the military, it's all speculative on their end.
There is no firm rule on if there really is or is not a true peak oil.

Regardless though, people are already coming up with alternatives.
So again, there is no reason to be worried.

On Nova a few days ago, a guy says he has biofuel made from grass that can run a jet engine, but so far it is $10,000 per tablespoon......
 
There are still some things I can do that will help a little more but I have addressed all the big issues of design, heating, cooling and lighting. My son has calculated that my payback period will be 7 years based on my current usage on a system warranted for 25 years. The more we can reduce our current usage, the quicker the payback period will be.



Funny thing is the government is causeing us to use more. For instance because of ethanol we lose MPG.

No solutions just whining and complaining
 
How do you think our war for oil in Iraq was paid for? Aren't Libertarians opposed to that sort of thing? I know it is in their platform. You opposed to the Libertarian platform?

Why do you think it was a war for oil?

Have we received any oil as a net benefit?
 
don't be naive. the contracts that big oil tried to put over on the iraqis were long term, while other contracts in the region are short term. also, not nearly as lucrative for the iraqis. so, had the iraqis accepted what was being force fed them, big oil would be enriched. it's NEVER about MORE oil for consumers.
 
today:

Shell Oil Company has announced it must scrap efforts to drill for oil this summer in the Arctic Ocean off the northern coast of Alaska. The decision comes following a ruling by the EPA’s Environmental Appeals Board to withhold critical air permits. The move has angered some in Congress and triggered a flurry of legislation aimed at stripping the EPA of its oil drilling oversight.

Shell has spent five years and nearly $4 billion dollars on plans to explore for oil in the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas. The leases alone cost $2.2 billion. Shell Vice President Pete Slaiby says obtaining similar air permits for a drilling operation in the Gulf of Mexico would take about 45 days. He’s especially frustrated over the appeal board’s suggestion that the Arctic drill would somehow be hazardous for the people who live in the area.

The closest village to where Shell proposed to drill is Kaktovik, Alaska. It is one of the most remote places in the United States. According to the latest census, the population is 245 and nearly all of the residents are Alaska natives. The village, which is 1 square mile, sits right along the shores of the Beaufort Sea, 70 miles away from the proposed off-shore drill site.

The EPA’s appeals board ruled that Shell had not taken into consideration emissions from an ice-breaking vessel when calculating overall greenhouse gas emissions from the project. Environmental groups were thrilled by the ruling.

Energy in America: EPA Rules Force Shell to Abandon Oil Drilling Plans - FoxNews.com
 

I'm starting to look at this in a different light, I think it would be a good thing for gas to be up to over over 5 dollars a gallon by election time of 2012.

With the inflation that will cause at the retail market, plus the added costs to each and every family will feel each time they fill up. Families having trouble putting food on the table, seeing their kids going without.

Just think of the consequences in the elections of 2012.... economy still floundering, unemployment numbers still up, deficit spending still at record levels, our national debt above 15 trillion and rising, and to top it off and gas prices at record highs. … it would be 2008 all over again, it wouldn't matter who ran against Obama, the people would be voting for change.
 
On Nova a few days ago, a guy says he has biofuel made from grass that can run a jet engine, but so far it is $10,000 per tablespoon......

-chuckles- well surely we can give that company a billion dollars or so .. . to see if they can get that prices reduced to $10,000 per gal.
 
the guy in front of me this morning at quick stop: 120 on 2

barack the slasher hussein's america

why did he tell the chron he wanted to bankrupt coal?

very strange
 
I'm starting to look at this in a different light, I think it would be a good thing for gas to be up to over over 5 dollars a gallon by election time of 2012.

With the inflation that will cause at the retail market, plus the added costs to each and every family will feel each time they fill up. Families having trouble putting food on the table, seeing their kids going without.

Just think of the consequences in the elections of 2012.... economy still floundering, unemployment numbers still up, deficit spending still at record levels, our national debt above 15 trillion and rising, and to top it off and gas prices at record highs. … it would be 2008 all over again, it wouldn't matter who ran against Obama, the people would be voting for change.

Obama can always borrow from GWB, "stay the course"....
YouTube - Stay The Course
 
How do you think our war for oil in Iraq was paid for? Aren't Libertarians opposed to that sort of thing? I know it is in their platform. You opposed to the Libertarian platform?

Well as usual you argument lacks any creditable evidence, as does most of your arguments,

according to you the war was all about oil … yet in 1999 we imported 263 thousand barrels of oil, in 2002 we imported 167 thousand barrels of oil , and in 2010 we imported 149 thousand barrels of oil. From Iraq.

I guess according to you we fight these “oil” wars so we can get less of that country's oil ??

U.S. Imports from Iraq of Crude Oil and Petroleum Products (Thousand Barrels)
 
If you can compare 2004 economy, gas prices unemployment figures ... our debt ... deficit ... or anything else .. to what it is now .. . lotsa luck

we have had 7 or 8 recessions since I started working for a living....the economy has never been static for long...
 
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