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U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Report

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The next step for the British Government is to install toilets and urinals on the Lockerbie Bomber's victims graves and sell tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists.


U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Report Finds - FoxNews.com
U.K. Pressured Scots to Release Lockerbie Bomber Out of Concern for Oil Deal, Report Finds

Fear of "commercial warfare" from Libya led the British government to pressure Scotland to free the convicted Lockerbie bomber last year, reads a report being released Tuesday by four U.S. senators.

The lengthy report, which calls on the British and Scottish governments to apologize for Abdelbaset al-Megrahi's release, concludes that a $900 million oil deal with Libya ultimately paved the way for the Scottish justice system to free al-Megrahi in August 2009.

The report says that faulty medical analysis was used to justify his release on "compassionate" grounds, a decision described as a crass component of a complicated trade relationship between the United Kingdom and Libya.

"The U.K. government played a direct, critical role in al-Megrahi's release," the report states. "The U.K. knew that in order to maintain trade relations with Libya, it had to give into political demands."

The investigation was led by New Jersey Democratic Sens. Robert Menendez and Frank Lautenberg and New York Democratic Sens. Charles Schumer and Kirsten Gillibrand. The report comes on the 22nd anniversary of the bombing of Pan Am Flight 103 over Lockerbie, Scotland, an attack that killed 270 people, many of them American.

Though convicted bomber al-Megrahi had been expected to die in prison, the Scottish government released him last year following a prognosis that he had just three months to live. Sixteen months later, the former prisoner with a terminal prognosis is still alive, reportedly living in a villa in Tripoli.

Accounts about his current health are conflicting, but one recent report from Sky News quoted a source close to the family saying his death is imminent.

Explanations about the release, challenged from the start by outraged U.S. officials, began to unravel within days after al-Megrahi was allowed to return to his country, where he was given a hero's welcome complete with a greeting on the tarmac by Libyan President Muammar al-Qaddafi.

Regardless, the senators' latest report claims there was "no medical justification" for his release.
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US going to pretend it has a right to bitch at other countries doing deals for oil?

Now go suck up to another dictator which stones women for oil :thumbs:
 
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Laila said:
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US going to pretend it has a right to bitch at other countries doing deals for oil?

Now go suck up to another dictator which stones women for oil :thumbs:
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Nowhere near the same as taking a deuce on the victims in your own country in exchange for a trade deal.Besides that did those dictators stone women in their country or women in the US?
 
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jamesrage said:
Nowhere near the same as taking a deuce on the victims in your own country in exchange for a trade deal.Besides that did those dictators stone women in their country or women in the US?
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Oh please. Whatever makes you feel happy about your country. Think what you want

US acting like it's got moral ground on this to even breath a word of criticism to UK.
Good for UK, let's go get oil. Maybe we are just learning from our ally how to do business *cough*
 
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Laila said:
Oh please. Whatever makes you feel happy about your country. Think what you want.
US acting like it's got moral ground on this to even breath a word of criticism to UK.
Good for UK, let's go get oil. Maybe we are just learning from our ally how to do business *cough*
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When has the US released a terrorist that murdered American citizens in exchange for a trade/oil deal.
 
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jamesrage said:
When has the US released a terrorist that murdered American citizens in exchange for a trade/oil deal.
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Ohhhh so the victims only matter when they are American/Western. Gotcha.

UK shouldn't discriminate.
Disregard morals. Acquire currency :mrgreen:

I'm sure US will get over the release in a few months.
 
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Laila said:
Ohhhh so the victims only matter when they are American/Western. Gotcha.
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There is a huge difference between trading with scumbags and releasing a scumbag who has murdered a bunch of your fellow countrymen in exchange for a trade/oil deal. Yes they are both bad but one is worse than the other. It does anger me when we have politicians talking about how they are patriotic/pro-American and talk about how bad the socialist and communists and then turn around and give jobs to China.

UK shouldn't discriminate.
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You Brits should be fuming mad and demanding the heads of the politicians who left a deuce on your fellow countrymen who were killed in that terrorist attack in exchange for a oil deal. I am pretty sure if American politicians released a convicted terrorist who killed lots of Americans in exchange for a oil or trade they would get tarred and feathered in the media, lynched or at least no longer have a job. If you are proud patriotic British citizen then the fact your politicians have done this should piss you the **** off. Perhaps you are not patriotic,perhaps you are globalist.

Disregard morals. Acquire currency :mrgreen:
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Oh yes just disregard the fact your politicians the people who are supposed to serve you took a deuce on your fellow countrymen that were murdered because those scumbag politicians wanted a trade deal.

I'm sure US will get over the release in a few months.
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I hope not.
 
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jamesrage said:
There is a huge difference between trading with scumbags and releasing a scumbag who has murdered a bunch of your fellow countrymen in exchange for a trade/oil deal. Yes they are both bad but one is worse than the other. It does anger me when we have politicians talking about how they are patriotic/pro-American and talk about how bad the socialist and communists and then turn around and give jobs to China.
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Provided he was guilty of course. Chances are he was not and would have walked on retrial because US mishandling of the evidence and witnesses.

You Brits should be fuming mad and demanding the heads of the politicians who left a deuce on your fellow countrymen who were killed in that terrorist attack in exchange for a oil deal. I am pretty sure if American politicians released a convicted terrorist who killed lots of Americans in exchange for a oil or trade they would get tarred and feathered in the media, lynched or at least no longer have a job. If you are proud patriotic British citizen then the fact your politicians have done this should piss you the **** off. Perhaps you are not patriotic,perhaps you are globalist.
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Most UK citizens hit by the attack and their relatives believe that he was innocent. Hell many worked for years to get a retrial.

Oh yes just disregard the fact your politicians the people who are supposed to serve you took a deuce on your fellow countrymen that were murdered because those scumbag politicians wanted a trade deal.
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Unlike the 3000 Americans killed in Iraq over a personal vendetta by your President? Funny how this is a huge problem, but the fact that your President lied to the American people is not.. hypocrites.

I hope not.
 
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Laila said:
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US going to pretend it has a right to bitch at other countries doing deals for oil?

Now go suck up to another dictator which stones women for oil :thumbs:
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I want to know where all that free Iraqi oil, we fought for, is.
 
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Laila said:
Oh please. Whatever makes you feel happy about your country. Think what you want

US acting like it's got moral ground on this to even breath a word of criticism to UK.Good for UK, let's go get oil. Maybe we are just learning from our ally how to do business *cough*
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Given the last... forever of European past and present, the idea that Europeans can even use the word "morality" is laughable.

We learned cynical, immoral politics from you, not vice versa. Take responsibility for being the scum of the Earth and stop blaming us for your own twisted souls.
 
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I will only note that I strongly disagreed with the release at the time and still do. Moreover, Mr. al-Megrahi's "defying" the medical prognosis raises some questions about whether the prognosis was merely a convenient cover for his release so as to minimize the political fallout of such a move. To resolve legal issues, I believe the normal appeals process should have been pursued.

On the larger point of national interests, if the UK felt that it was acting in a fashion that served its national interests, I can and do respect the UK for its willingness to pursue its interests. Of course, decisions made in the pursuit of national interests can be far from perfect and can also be erroneous. Nonetheless, nations do pursue their interests, and one cannot expect the UK or any other state to be an exception. Finally, even close allies can have some divergence in interests in some areas. But over all, the convicted terrorist's release is largely inconsequential in the larger scheme of interests and values that are shared between the UK and U.S.
 
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PeteEU said:
Provided he was guilty of course. Chances are he was not and would have walked on retrial because US mishandling of the evidence and witnesses.
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If he was truely innocent then let him prove it. It is innocent until proven guilty not innocent even after proven guilty.

Most UK citizens hit by the attack and their relatives believe that he was innocent. Hell many worked for years to get a retrial.
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Was everyone one of these people asked or did they just survey a small percentage? And even if they were this still does not change the fact the UK basically left a deuce on the victims of that terrorist.


Unlike the 3000 Americans killed in Iraq over a personal vendetta by your President? Funny how this is a huge problem, but the fact that your President lied to the American people is not.. hypocrites.


I hope not.
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Oh boy another Leftist version of a Birther-tard. This war is for oil, Bush stole the elections, Bush went Awol, Bush is a e-vile dictator, Bush is a war monger, This war is for Haliburton, Bush lied people died. When will you people grow up and quit believing conspiracy retards? Bush did not lie.Every practically politician even before Bush was in office said Saddam had WMDs, Saddam has a history of using WMDs, WMDs were found in Iraq(according to wikileaks), Saddam made everyone think he had WMDs. So logic would dictate that Saddam had WMDs. Why is that hard for you to conspiracy loons to understand that? I know Bush is supposedly a conservative so you will buy what ever some loony leftist conspiracy-tard says about Bush?
 
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Shame on the UK. I suspected this from the beginning. Have they not any honor and respect for the victims of that bloodthirsty animal? Yet many want to accuse the US of corruptly warring for oil that we do not receive... Shame on the United Kingdom. This should be made right, especially for the families of those impacted by the released terrorist.
 
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The US as well as every other country has made deals with "less than honorable" reputations and motives. But no Jamesrage I can't think of an occasion where the US specifically released a terrorist, that killed only Americans, for an oil deal, or whatever other additives you want to throw in there.
 
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Other nationalities died, though not at Libya's hand, not least the people of Lockerbie. Libya was suddenly blamed because the US found it expedient.
 
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The release of the Libyan is ammunition for those of us who seek destruction of the special relationship with the UK. We can point to it as evidence of British bad faith. Britain is worthless to America.
 
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Laila said:
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US going to pretend it has a right to bitch at other countries doing deals for oil?

Now go suck up to another dictator which stones women for oil :thumbs:
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Pretty much this, to the OP. This is the endthread right here.
 
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Wiseone said:
The US as well as every other country has made deals with "less than honorable" reputations and motives. But no Jamesrage I can't think of an occasion where the US specifically released a terrorist, that killed only Americans, for an oil deal, or whatever other additives you want to throw in there.
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Are you trying to pretend that a dictator harming his own people is the same as releasing a terrorist who has killed your fellow countrymen? These two things are not equal. One is a kick in the teeth to your fellow countrymen that were murdered by that terrorist. The other is not.
 
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jamesrage said:
Are you trying to pretend that a dictator harming his own people is the same as releasing a terrorist who has killed your fellow countrymen? These two things are not equal. One is a kick in the teeth to your fellow countrymen that were murdered by that terrorist. The other is not.
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They are no the same, but they are both questionably moral, that's my point. As to which is more questionably immoral, I don't know it I suppose it depends on the context. However whats important is that both the US and UK, along with all nations, have made difficult choices when the cost of strictly following their own stated principles and values has proved too high. Now of course I doubt its possible to argue the UK was facing a situation here where they faced serious consequences if they didn't get this deal, which is why I don't agree with the UK's decisions. But I don't really know much about the details of the situation.

Also, even though I agree you're stance, I'm a little put off by your extreme over-reaction to the meaning of this event. Specifically the "The next step for the British Government is to install toilets and urinals on the Lockerbie Bomber's victims graves and sell tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists" statements.
 
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Wiseone said:
They are no the same, but they are both questionably moral, that's my point. As to which is more questionably immoral, I don't know it I suppose it depends on the context.
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If you are a patriotic/nationalist then you know that releasing a terrorist who murdered your fellow countrymen in exchange for a oil/trade deal is way more immoral that doing a trade deal with a country that so far has not physically hurt your fellow countrymen. I am pretty sure that had politicians in the US sold the victims of a terrorist out for a trade deal with that terrorist home country then those politician would be tarred and feathered in the media, possibly lynched and they most definitely not have job in politics anymore.


Also, even though I agree you're stance, I'm a little put off by your extreme over-reaction to the meaning of this event. Specifically the "The next step for the British Government is to install toilets and urinals on the Lockerbie Bomber's victims graves and sell tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists" statements.
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You do not think releasing the terrorist for BS reasons in exchange for a oil deal is pissing on the victims of that terrorist? The British government might as well be installing urinals and toilets on the graves of the victims and selling tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists. The UK basically said "F-YOU Lockerbie Bomber victims".
 
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Why, oh why, am I not suprised?
 
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Never got why the release of the Lockerbie bomber was such a big deal when the US has been honoring terrorists for the past couple of decades.
 
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jamesrage said:
If you are a patriotic/nationalist then you know that releasing a terrorist who murdered your fellow countrymen in exchange for a oil/trade deal is way more immoral that doing a trade deal with a country that so far has not physically hurt your fellow countrymen. I am pretty sure that had politicians in the US sold the victims of a terrorist out for a trade deal with that terrorist home country then those politician would be tarred and feathered in the media, possibly lynched and they most definitely not have job in politics anymore.

You do not think releasing the terrorist for BS reasons in exchange for a oil deal is pissing on the victims of that terrorist? The British government might as well be installing urinals and toilets on the graves of the victims and selling tickets to terrorist sympathizers and terrorists. The UK basically said "F-YOU Lockerbie Bomber victims".
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Is it more immoral all the time? Would you argue that to release a terrorist who killed one American is worse than anything else that could be possibly done to a foreign country?

I agree with 95% of what you are saying its just your moral absolutism and potty mouth that keep me from respecting you more, thats all I'm saying.
 
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jamesrage said:
If he was truely innocent then let him prove it. It is innocent until proven guilty not innocent even after proven guilty.
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He could not because they "government" was delaying any appeal and retrial constantly. Even after the Scottish Judicial Review court came out with a ruling citing there most likely was a miscarriage of justice in the case.. even then was the appeal process delayed and stopped by the Government on every technicality in the book and on national security grounds. No wonder considering how the public available "evidence" has been picked to pieces.

It is odd, that one of the only conditions that was set for his release was that he stopped all appeals.. odd no? Quick way to end that case no?

Was everyone one of these people asked or did they just survey a small percentage? And even if they were this still does not change the fact the UK basically left a deuce on the victims of that terrorist.
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I dont know, but many of the British victims relatives have continued to back a full investigation into the bombing and have stated publicly that they do not believe that he did it. Just google it..I am basing my comment on many interview's on British TV with various British relatives. More than often an American relative was on the other side of the fence so to say in said interviews.

Oh boy another Leftist version of a Birther-tard. This war is for oil, Bush stole the elections, Bush went Awol, Bush is a e-vile dictator, Bush is a war monger, This war is for Haliburton, Bush lied people died. When will you people grow up and quit believing conspiracy retards? Bush did not lie.Every practically politician even before Bush was in office said Saddam had WMDs, Saddam has a history of using WMDs, WMDs were found in Iraq(according to wikileaks), Saddam made everyone think he had WMDs. So logic would dictate that Saddam had WMDs. Why is that hard for you to conspiracy loons to understand that? I know Bush is supposedly a conservative so you will buy what ever some loony leftist conspiracy-tard says about Bush?
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LOL yea right.. ... funny how you dont want to get to the truth of the matter.. and blindly follow the governments case on this.. do governments not lie and cover up and frame people ? Are you that naive? Have you ever sat down and read about the huge inconsistencies in the case, both evidence wise and procedure wise? It stinks of a cover-up.
 
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The worthy committee made it up, since nobody who was actually involved could be bothered to attend their kangaroo court.
 
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