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Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

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Ikari said:
I'm appalled by those willing to use government force against the rights of others whom have not themselves infringed upon the rights of anyone.
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So an arrest is government force? Wow. Isn't that kind of twisted and a bit paranoid?
 
Kev316 said:
Because they are defending a man who has decided to teach people how to f*ck kids? There is no nice way to put it.
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He wrote a book. One has to read it and then act on it before rights are actually infringed upon. That's the end all be all. The dude cannot make others "**** kids". Others must make that choice themselves. But given the countless other books which promote illegal activities and lethal skills which are legal, this book is in the same family. And if they are legal, why should this one be illegal? There's not a logical argument behind it, and without that you have no actual reason to ban the book itself.
 
Kev316 said:
Awww - and we were having such fun. Sigh... Goodbye Bilbo, goodbye. If I were a troll, you should have been able to vanquish me, no?
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Sockie. Are you wearing a red sock tonight old "friend"?
 
Kev316 said:
So an arrest is government force? Wow. Isn't that kind of twisted and a bit paranoid?
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Arrest is government force. Without government force, an individual would not be arrested. Paranoid? No, it's just reality. If the cops (government agents I'll remind you in case you somehow let that little fact slip your mind) did not show up to arrest him, he would not be in jail. The government must apply force to arrest someone. The government must apply force to try someone. The government must apply force to jail someone. It's all government force. So quit being stupid about this and recognize what is. There's no twist or paranoia. Outside force is necessary to suppress the exercise of our rights, government is that force in this case. Arrest=force.
 
Ikari said:
I'm appalled by those willing to use government force against the rights of others whom have not themselves infringed upon the rights of anyone.
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How can you say promoting pedophilia does not infringe the rights of others?
 
Ikari said:
Arrest is government force. Without government force, an individual would not be arrested. Paranoid? No, it's just reality. If the cops (government agents I'll remind you in case you somehow let that little fact slip your mind) did not show up to arrest him, he would not be in jail. The government must apply force to arrest someone. The government must apply force to try someone. The government must apply force to jail someone. It's all government force. So quit being stupid about this and recognize what is. There's no twist or paranoia. Outside force is necessary to suppress the exercise of our rights, government is that force in this case. Arrest=force.
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Okay, whatever you say.
 
X Factor said:
How can you say promoting pedophilia does not infringe the rights of others?
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Because it doesn't. Pedophilia isn't illegal, so how can it infringe upon someone's rights? Does not promoting murder with books that teach how to kill and shoot infringe upon someone's rights? Where is your outrage about those?
 
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X Factor said:
How can you say promoting pedophilia does not infringe the rights of others?
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Because no one's rights are infringed upon by the book. The book cannot take action. Without action, there can be no outside force. Less perhaps you want to explain how a book infringes upon the rights of others.
 
Ikari said:
Glad to see you have no rational or logical counter argument. My win
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dontworrybehappy said:
Because it doesn't. Pedophilia isn't illegal, so how can it infringe upon someone's rights? Does not promoting murder with books that teach how to kill and shoot infringe upon someone's rights? Where is your outrage about those?
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Which books about committing murder? There are valid reasons for learning how to shoot, there is no validity to promoting pedophilia. Also, there is no non criminal way to express pedophilia.
 
CriticalThought said:
It might be worth noting that there is "justified force" and "unjustified force".
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There most certainly is. But that wasn't the question at hand. The question at hand was "is an arrest government force?". Which it most obviously is. The note of justified vs. unjustified was originally covered in the post wherein I stated that I found it disturbing that people would endorse the use of government force against the rights and liberties of an individual whom themselves had not infringed upon the rights of others.
 
Ikari said:
Because no one's rights are infringed upon by the book. The book cannot take action. Without action, there can be no outside force. Less perhaps you want to explain how a book infringes upon the rights of others.
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The book can inspire action as well as a belief that the action is ok or normal. It's not.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Depends on the context they are in. In this case it most definately is child porn.
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There may have been some legal expansion to cover not real people as real people. But not real people really are not real people. And not real people do not have real rights and liberties. That's the end all be all of it. Drawings, even those as disturbing as lolicon, are not actually child porn as there is not actually a child.
 
Kal'Stang said:
Depends on the context they are in. In this case it most definately is child porn.
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Well then why isn't that his charge? And why are legal scholars saying the case they have against him is weak?

X Factor said:
The book can inspire action as well as a belief that the action is ok or normal. It's not.
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So what? Then the person that "actions" shall be prosecuted.

It's like blaming a gun for a murder or a spoon for obesity.
 
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X Factor said:
The book can inspire action as well as a belief that the action is ok or normal. It's not.
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The book does not take action. That is what I want you to demonstrate. You're trying to make a claim that the book infringes upon the rights of others. I asked you to demonstrate that. How does the book infringe upon the rights of others. Owning a gun can inspire action as well as belief that the action is ok. Like vigilante justice and such. But does that mean we ban guns? Or do we go after the PERSON who actually does the ACTION?
 
Ikari said:
The book does not take action. That is what I want you to demonstrate. You're trying to make a claim that the book infringes upon the rights of others. I asked you to demonstrate that. How does the book infringe upon the rights of others. Owning a gun can inspire action as well as belief that the action is ok. Like vigilante justice and such. But does that mean we ban guns? Or do we go after the PERSON who actually does the ACTION?
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I'm saying this book can inspire an absolutely unjustifiable action. There are valid, legal ways to own and use a gun. The same cannot be said of promoting molesting kids.
 
What I think irks Kev is that we repeatedly say that we don't agree with what this guy did but defend his right to do it. Kev can't come up with anything but insults to counter the argument, not facts, not links, nothing. Just pure emotion. And the law is not written on emotion so his argument doesn't hold water.

I feel for him, god knows what he went through as a kid. I'm sure it was awful. But unfortunately his bad experiences don't take away from the fact that this country is built on laws that I would like to uphold.
 
X Factor said:
I'm saying this book can . There are valid, legal ways to own and use a gun. The same cannot be said of promoting molesting kids.
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First of all, I want to thank you for your very calm and respectful demenor. It's a nice change of scenery.

That being said, "inspire an absolutely unjustifiable action" is legal. I can inspire someone to do anything, it's not illegal to do so. What about the books written about how to kill and such? How to make bombs? ETC? All of those are unjustifieable actions, so where is your outrage against those?
 
dontworrybehappy said:
May he who is without sin cast the first stone.
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sorry cochise, but i have no tolerance for those who would do this sick shyte to a child, or for those who would 'educate' someone on how to do it. call me crazy.
 
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