Author of 'Pedophile's Guide' Arrested on Obscenity Charges

Ikari said:

Nice propaganda and appeal to emotion. Care to make a logical argument instead?

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Ok, check it.

While I love freedom of speech and encourage it, there are limits. For example, you can go and talk about killing, but you take it to a different level when you are serious and talk about actually killing a person or a group of people.

TacticalEvilDan said:

Hmm...

Nope, doesn't make a difference. I still hate vaguely-worded laws used as moral claw-hammers.

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So f*cking a 7 year old girl is a moral issue? Seriously? Oh my effing God. Your good Christian upbringing teach you that?

You people are looking for loopholes to save a pedophile? Btw, that rape I mentioned is the story of the teenage girl that lives next door. Alcoholic mother, raped at age 7. You fundies wanna give that rapist a pass if you can find a loophole? WTF?

dontworrybehappy said:

Which is why emotion should never override logic. A law should never be passed to "right" a past "wrong" or revenge an act. That is why the Adam Walsh Act has been proven unconstitutional in many states, and is being challenged in many othes. Sorry AS, I am totally against you on this one. Just as I am against the Patriot act which was passed on emotion and not logic, this is too. I think Florida will lose, and lose a lot of money, on this. They will be made fools of.

The man wrote a book. I can write a book on anything I want to, protected by the first amendment. No book has ever caused someone to commit a crime, it is an inanimate object. The person commits the crime, not the book.

What if a child molester says that the show "America's Got Talent" made him do it when he saw a child perform on stage? You gonna go after AGT? Or, since you don't see much connection, AGT is ok? See where this goes? It's a slippery slope.

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I think what is most disturbing is that you guys are actually defending the book.... "it's just a book," "attacking a book is ridiculous," "this book won't cause them to commit a crime."

Thanks for the reminder Dick Tracy.. the fact is this book is telling child abusers how to abuse children and how to get away with it. It's teaching them how to manipulate children and even discusses when it's proper to use a condom with a child and not to.

If you want to defend the free speech of this guy, that is one thing... but to act like this book is OK and acceptable and "we shouldn't attack the book," or the publication and distribution of this book isn't going to result in any kids being sexually assulted.. is just ridiculous.

Because when I am reading through a lot of your comments, it actually sounds like you are justifying the material in this book.. and that s**t can't be justifed. Amazon should not have published the book, and the outrage of the people to protest was justified.

The issue of children being raped and molested is an emotional issue... It's going to evoke a strong emotional response from certain people more than others, especially survivors of rape and abuse.

If you want to ask for logic fine... what about letting the punishment fit the crime? A lot of survivors I have seen go through life with lingering problems: PTSD, anxiety, cutting, depression, drug/alcohol abuse, flack backs... and fears of sex being very common. I know a 34 year old woman who has never had a boyfriend in her life, because she can't handle being touched by a male after years of being raped by her father. Many victims feel that their lives are ruined... is that emotional? probably, but what about the logical aspect of it. Victim advocacy? Justice? Research and statistics.. who are pedophiles? Solutions?

Research shows that rehabilitation doesn't work for the majority of pedophiles and they are not successfully reintegrated in society after serving time... Some have even offered to be castrated so they don't commit their crimes anymore although they can still touch children inappropriately and still injure them sexually. Some advocates think the prison sentences should be longer, or suggest completely overhauling the correction system...

I don't know which is right or the best answer.. but I do think something should be done considering the record sexual offenders have with not be rehabilitated. Books like this are not going to help the issue either... Defending this guy's rights are the least of my concern... I am concerned what society can do to fix the problem these people are creating...

The writer of this book even said that his goal is to help create a more open society to pedophilia. He also hopes that less of them will go to jail or go very long.. so this guy is a big ass problem in the whole scheme of things. I don't want my society to work for people like him and for pedophiles. I want society to work in the benefit of the children and other would be victims by lessening the occurrence of rape, and destroying the BS constructs that teach victims to blame themselves...

SheWolf said:

I think what is most disturbing is that you guys are actually defending the book.... "it's just a book," "attacking a book is ridiculous," "this book won't cause them to commit a crime."

Thanks for the reminder Dick Tracy.. the fact is this book is telling child abusers how to abuse children and how to get away with it. It's teaching them how to manipulate children and even discusses when it's proper to use a condom with a child and not to.

If you want to defend the free speech of this guy, that is one thing... but to act like this book is OK and acceptable and "we shouldn't attack the book," or the publication and distribution of this book isn't going to result in any kids being sexually assulted.. is just ridiculous.

Because when I am reading through a lot of your comments, it actually sounds like you are justifying the material in this book.. and that s**t can't be justifed. Amazon should not have published the book, and the outrage of the people to protest was justified.

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Have you read the book? I mean, I think that would be a pretty important thing to do before judging what the book actually says. From what I have read of author and the comments of the author it sounds like his intention is to discourage sex, while at the same time appealing to those who do engage in sexual activity to practice more safe behavior.

SheWolf said:

The issue of children being raped and molested is an emotional issue... It's going to evoke a strong emotional response from certain people more than others, especially survivors of rape and abuse.

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Well, that's a problem. No one is saying you don't have the right to have a strong emotional response...but just don't lose sight of the fact that your strong emotional response will invariably cloud your rational judgment. I'm not especially inclined to listen to highly emotional people when it comes to rational discussions of policies.

SheWolf said:

The writer of this book even said that his goal is to help create a more open society to pedophilia. He also hopes that less of them will go to jail or go very long.. so this guy is a big ass problem in the whole scheme of things. I don't want my society to work for people like him and for pedophiles. I want society to work in the benefit of the children and other would be victims by lessening the occurrence of rape, and destroying the BS constructs that teach victims to blame themselves...

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OK, so his goal is to create a more open society to pedophilia. Just because most people dislike that goal doesn't mean that he doesn't have the right to his opinion. It's basically no different than any other form of political advocacy. There are groups devoted to creating more open societies to drugs, prostitution, assault weapons, illegal immigration, racism, sexism, homophobia, vigilantism, or religious fundamentalism. You may or may not agree with those viewpoints, but I think few people would argue that those people shouldn't be allowed to express their political opinions. Just because someone favors reforming a law to legalize something or reduce the sentence, doesn't mean that they have committed a crime merely by voicing that viewpoint.

Demon of Light said:

Have you read the book? I mean, I think that would be a pretty important thing to do before judging what the book actually says. From what I have read of author and the comments of the author it sounds like his intention is to discourage sex, while at the same time appealing to those who do engage in sexual activity to practice more safe behavior.

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Got a male child? Can I send him to this author for awhile?

Let me guess, you don't want a prayer room in NY, regardless of first amendment rights, but you want to discuss diddling little boys rationally? Amazing.

dontworrybehappy said:

Absolutely untrue. Roughly 90% of child abuse cases involve a parent or close relative.

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Wow, I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks!

dontworrybehappy said:

In fact, it is this exact stat, that has so many people outraged at the sex offender registry. Since so few sex offenders ever reoffend (3.5-5% according to the department of justice, with nearly 50% being the average for all other crimes) that means that these people who abuse their kids don't abuse anyone else's kids so are no threat to them yet they have to register publicly, sometimes for life.

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I'm not a fan of the registry for a host of reasons.

dontworrybehappy said:

It's a bad bad thing, no doubt, but lets face it, just like you can't lock up someone for being gay, you can't lock them up for simply being a pedophile. It is better to let him learn to control his urges in a way that doesn't harm kids, rather than tell him "no" all the time and then he lashes out and destroys a life.

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Yep.

dontworrybehappy said:

Ok, sorry I'll get off my soapbox. I just had to correct the incorrect piece of information I saw.

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Appreciated.

Kev316 said:

So f*cking a 7 year old girl is a moral issue? Seriously? Oh my effing God. Your good Christian upbringing teach you that?

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I invite you to quote me where I said any such thing. You will, of course, fail to do so. Your half-assed appeal to emotion fails.

Kev316 said:

You people are looking for loopholes to save a pedophile? Btw, that rape I mentioned is the story of the teenage girl that lives next door. Alcoholic mother, raped at age 7. You fundies wanna give that rapist a pass if you can find a loophole? WTF?

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You're quoting me, but I get the distinct impression you're either not actually talking to me, or not actually reading what I'm actually saying.

Par for the course, coming from you.

danarhea said:

And I hope that bastard never gets out of prison. The how-to book on molesting children sparked a firestorm that got the book pulled from Amazon.com, and now he is in jail. There is no telling how much damage his publishing that book caused, or how many child molesters may have used it as a guide to fulfilling their own sick, perverted fantasies.

May this punk never get out of prison, and may an inmate named "Bubba the Booty Bandit" have his way with him each and every day the punk is still alive.

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amen brother...may they hang him by the balls until dead

randel said:

amen brother...may they hang him by the balls until dead

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May he who is without sin cast the first stone.

Kev316 said:

Got a male child? Can I send him to this author for awhile?

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I do not think any responsible parent would send a child to a complete stranger no matter the circumstances.

Let me guess, you don't want a prayer room in NY, regardless of first amendment rights, but you want to discuss diddling little boys rationally?

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A prayer room in NY? What the **** are you talking about?

TacticalEvilDan said:

Wow, I guess you learn something new every day. Thanks!



I'm not a fan of the registry for a host of reasons.

Yep.
Appreciated.

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Funny you'll defend a pedophile (your stats are waaay off, btw. Waaay), but you'll lock up an individual for peacefully practicing their freedom of religion. Pretty hypocritical and very sad. Why don't you good people spend time with the victims? Find out what it's like to get f***ed in the a** at the ripe old age of 11. Or do we prefer a good ol' fashioned face f***?

I really do hope this is graphic enough, because THIS is what we're talking about.

Sex offenders repeat - a lot. Some research says 85% recidivism. There is no cure. Period. Check any psych resource you want. All say the same thing.

Kev316 said:

Funny you'll defend a pedophile, but you'll lock up an individual for peacefully practicing their freedom of religion. Pretty hypocritical and very sad. Why don't you good people spend time with the victims? Find out what it's like to get f***ed in the a** at the ripe old age of 11. Or do we prefer a good ol' fashioned face f***?

I really do hope this is graphic enough, because THIS is what we're talking about.

Sex offenders repeat - a lot. Some research says 85% recidivism. There is no cure. Period. Check any psych resource you want. All say the same thing.

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I did not in any way defend the sexual abuse of children. Come back and see me when you're ready to discuss the actual subject of this thread like a grown-up.

Kev316 said:

(your stats are waaay off, btw. Waaay)

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dontworrybehappy beat you to it by a country mile, I admitted I was wrong, and thanked them for the info.

Feel free to continue riding dontworrybehappy's coat-tails if it makes you feel better about yourself.

Demon of Light said:

I do not think any responsible parent would send a child to a complete stranger no matter the circumstances.



A prayer room in NY? What the **** are you talking about?

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The same people defending this pig using the 1st amendment are the same people who would deny freedom of worship under the 1st amendment. Remember NY? Prayer room 3 blocks from ground zero? That one - the 1st amendment right cons want to take away from innocent people, while empowering a pedophile under the same amendment.

My statement about sending a child to this pig was rhetorical. I assumed this was self-evident. It's good you don't send a child to a stranger. Better to let the priests and ministers you know diddle the child by the power of the Holy Spirit.

Kev316 said:

Funny you'll defend a pedophile (your stats are waaay off, btw. Waaay), but you'll lock up an individual for peacefully practicing their freedom of religion. Pretty hypocritical and very sad. Why don't you good people spend time with the victims? Find out what it's like to get f***ed in the a** at the ripe old age of 11. Or do we prefer a good ol' fashioned face f***?

I really do hope this is graphic enough, because THIS is what we're talking about.

Sex offenders repeat - a lot. Some research says 85% recidivism. There is no cure. Period. Check any psych resource you want. All say the same thing.

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Bull****. Check the department of justice website Welcome to the United States Department of Justice 3.5-5% reoffense rate. I provided a link with research, you provide nothing to dispute what I said. If 85% reoffend why are the vast majority of people on the registry single offense offenders? Sorry dude you are full of ****.

A psycologist opinion is just that, the dept of justice website is raw data, what laws should be based on.

dontworrybehappy said:

May he who is without sin cast the first stone.

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Practice that, do ya? Betcha don't where Muslims are concerned.

TacticalEvilDan said:

I invite you to quote me where I said any such thing. You will, of course, fail to do so.

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Funny thing about what one writes: A person can always go back to it. Quote: Nope, doesn't make a difference. I still hate vaguely-worded laws used as MORAL claw-hammers.

How's that? Seems I didn't fail to present at all. This is not a moral claw-hammer. This is criminal behavior. Now I know some cons and some "others" who think diddling kids is their right under God, but it's not. It happens to be a crime. Inmates even mark you for that one. So yes, you said it.

Kev316 said:

Practice that, do ya? Betcha don't where Muslims are concerned.

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Betcha I don't. Betcha getting off topic because you had your ass handed to you. Even ****ing wikipedia says sex offender reoffense is about 5% according to a usdoj study. Sorry just because the media says it over and over doesn't make it true. Just admit you've been duped.

Sex offender

dontworrybehappy said:

Bull****. Check the department of justice website Welcome to the United States Department of Justice 3.5-5% reoffense rate. I provided a link with research, you provide nothing to dispute what I said. If 85% reoffend why are the vast majority of people on the registry single offense offenders? Sorry dude you are full of ****.

A psycologist opinion is just that, the dept of justice website is raw data, what laws should be based on.

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Riiight...

Kev316 said:

The same people defending this pig using the 1st amendment are the same people who would deny freedom of worship under the 1st amendment. Remember NY? Prayer room 3 blocks from ground zero? That one - the 1st amendment right cons want to take away from innocent people, while empowering a pedophile under the same amendment.

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I do not know anything about this prayer room.

My statement about sending a child to this pig was rhetorical. I assumed this was self-evident.

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I knew it was a rhetorical question, I was just point that it was a dumb rhetorical question.

Kal'Stang said:

No one said it was the same did they?

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Yes, the implication was there, that if support was lent to free speech in this case that supporters were advocating that he ought to exercise it in the way that he did.

And everything that Assaunge published via wikileaks could have been gotten through various other reporters over time.

And yet, Assaunge is demonized for exercising his freedom of speech/press while this guy gets a pass. I see that as nothing more than hypocritical in the extreme.

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It is obviously false that the stuff Assange released would have been released by other sources. Are you just making things up as you go along?

That aside, name someone specific who has demonized assange and also given this loser a pass. Without someone specific, there is no chance for hypocrisy. And even if you find an example, why are you mentioning it to me?

And finally, the situations ARE different, with different consequences. I am not certain how I feel about either case, but it is at least conceivable that I will decide one should be protected and the other, not.

Kev316 said:

Riiight...

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Still waiting for proof that I'm wrong......

*crickets*

Yet more proof to make an ass out of you, the actual USDOJ report....

OH this is sooooo much fun!!!!

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsorp94.pdf (To help you out, the highlights are on page 7.)

Within the first 3 years following
release from prison in 1994, 3.3% (141
of 4,295) of released child molesters
were rearrested for another sex crime
against a child. The rate for all 9,691
sex offenders (a category that includes
the 4,295 child molesters) was 2.2%
(209 of 9,691).

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So when are you going to bow out? I can't last much longer, I'm killing myself laughing over here at how long you are sticking by your blindly made up 85% number. Dude, you're killing me! LOLOLOL :lamo

dontworrybehappy said:

Betcha I don't. Betcha getting off topic because you had your ass handed to you. Even ****ing wikipedia says sex offender reoffense is about 5% according to a usdoj study. Sorry just because the media says it over and over doesn't make it true. Just admit you've been duped.

Sex offender

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All pedophiles are sex offenders, but not all sex offenders are pedophiles. Lmfao...

BBC NEWS | Health | Therapy 'no cure for sex abusers'

Some treatment programmes have cut re-offending by up to 40%. (That leaves 60% recidivism)

Under 10% of sex offenders end up re-offending. Sex Offenders - NOT pedophiles. There's a difference, oh wise one.

Zoe Hilton, policy adviser at the children's charity NSPCC, said she would like to see more research on the issue, particularly on the differences in re-offending between pedophiles and adult sex offenders.

My ass handed to me for - what, exactly? For calling a pedophile what he is, while you defend him? If you don't understand statistics, especially when it comes to medical studies, it's probably not good to show your a** while making a flawed argument.

So - why the soft spot for pedophiles? Something you need to talk about, or confess, maybe?

dontworrybehappy said:

Still waiting for proof that I'm wrong......

*crickets*

Yet more proof to make an ass out of you, the actual USDOJ report....

OH this is sooooo much fun!!!!

http://bjs.ojp.usdoj.gov/content/pub/pdf/rsorp94.pdf (To help you out, the highlights are on page 7.)



So when are you going to bow out? I can't last much longer, I'm killing myself laughing over here at how long you are sticking by your blindly made up 85% number. Dude, you're killing me! LOLOLOL :lamo

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Um, try reading. I actually research prior to posting. I didn't realize I was suddenly on your schedule. And again, whatcha hiding? You sure have an awful lot of pedophile love.