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"Dream Act" immigration bill blocked in Senate

yeah, those assholes who think serving in our military should count for something are just stupid mexicans, right?

Not all military service is equal. Plus there is the fact that someone is here illegally means that they should not be able to walk into a government office without getting arrested.
 
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yeah, those assholes who think serving in our military should count for something are just stupid mexicans, right?

Once they complete their service they should be deported back to Mexico.

I once welcomed them. What you should be wondering about is why my heart has become irreparably hardened to them.
 
All the more reason to make things easier for them, not harder. I'm not saying give them automatic citizenship, but at least give them the opportunity to finish their education and then earn the right to stay in the country by serving in the military for a couple of years.

Why? Why should we make it easier on them? Don't they have education in Mexico or China or where ever thier parents came from? If they want to become american citizens then they should do it the way everyone else that comes here legally does it.

Seriously, the the only ones in America that have things handed to them on a silver platter are those that are rich. Everyone else has to work for what they get. Why should anchor babies and illegals be given special treatment?
 
I'm glad this thing failed and I hope everything similar to it in any way, shape or form, fails in the near future.

Actually, I hope everything and anything that gives any benefit of any kind to any illegal fails.

I hope they fail, and continue to fail, until such a point that laws are passed and actuall ENFORCED for a reasonable amount of time that significantly improve border security, employer enforcement, and deportation/rounding up of illegals in this country.

If the government shows it will SERIOUSLY deal with the law enforcement and protective sides of these things then we can perhaps talk. If they show they will not just give it lip service but actually show sustained and tangiable efforts then we can perhaps talk. If they can do this and do this for at least 6 months to a year then you know what? I'd be happy to talk about giving benefits to children who were brought over, or a path to citizenship, or even perhaps TALK about some kind of amnesty.

But until such a time as the above happens, I hope every single solitary one of these type of things fail and fail hard. You do not "fix" this problem by rewarding it time and time again while giving lip service to any form of punishment or enforcement.

And that goes double for any bill trying to push benefit type things along by trying to say its "compromising" by giving security or enforcement. That is an age old trick, its what helped cause amnesty the last time, and we shouldn't fall for it again. Enforcement takes time, and effort, to happen. Security takes time, and effort, to happen. Don't fund it, have the executive not persue it strongly, and its effecitvely worthless. Where as things like amnesty or acceptance to colleges, etc can happen immedietely and need little extra help. Which means one end happens while the other part never comes to be.

I'm glad its blocked. I hope all others of it continue to be blocked. Until the Government starts doing its damn job they all need to be blocked.
 
I'm glad this thing failed and I hope everything similar to it in any way, shape or form, fails in the near future.

Actually, I hope everything and anything that gives any benefit of any kind to any illegal fails.

I hope they fail, and continue to fail, until such a point that laws are passed and actuall ENFORCED for a reasonable amount of time that significantly improve border security, employer enforcement, and deportation/rounding up of illegals in this country.

If the government shows it will SERIOUSLY deal with the law enforcement and protective sides of these things then we can perhaps talk. If they show they will not just give it lip service but actually show sustained and tangiable efforts then we can perhaps talk. If they can do this and do this for at least 6 months to a year then you know what? I'd be happy to talk about giving benefits to children who were brought over, or a path to citizenship, or even perhaps TALK about some kind of amnesty.

But until such a time as the above happens, I hope every single solitary one of these type of things fail and fail hard. You do not "fix" this problem by rewarding it time and time again while giving lip service to any form of punishment or enforcement.

And that goes double for any bill trying to push benefit type things along by trying to say its "compromising" by giving security or enforcement. That is an age old trick, its what helped cause amnesty the last time, and we shouldn't fall for it again. Enforcement takes time, and effort, to happen. Security takes time, and effort, to happen. Don't fund it, have the executive not persue it strongly, and its effecitvely worthless. Where as things like amnesty or acceptance to colleges, etc can happen immedietely and need little extra help. Which means one end happens while the other part never comes to be.

I'm glad its blocked. I hope all others of it continue to be blocked. Until the Government starts doing its damn job they all need to be blocked.

If I believed the American left was capable of acting in good faith there are many things that could be discussed. But they are incapable of good faith. Consequently, they will be resisted everywhere on every issue at all times.
 
If East Germany could, we could. — Alaska Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller

Only the Soviet Union and North Korea imposed the death penalty for trespassing.

The opinions suggesting planting land mines and executing illegal immigrants are appropriate courses of action in securing our borders, are monstrous in my eyes. National leaders who offer such policy prescriptions are not serious people in my opinion.
 
I would rather the illegal immigration problem be slowed down to a trickle than to just leave the flood gates open.We should secure the border.

Too costly and impossible to do. The better approach is to cut down on illegal immigration by making it unattractive to come here illegally in the first place. Of course, we need to keep in mind that in order to sustain a worker to retiree ratio to support entitlements, we need immigrants as our natural birthrate is not sufficient and is only getting worse as the boomers retire.

We should crack down on the scum who hire illegals by jailing them,revoking their business license

ok, of course my maid is an illegal. See below regarding jail.

and make them subject to assets seizure and forfeiture law.

Absolutely not. This ought to be made unconstitutional. If I commit a crime, you should not have access to my stuff. Police departments nation-wide abuse this regularly.

Since it takes two to tango we should also throw illegals who are caught into jail 6 for six months(assuming this is their first offense and only crime)

Where will we put them? Prisons are overcrowded due to drug war minimum sentencing and they are letting murderers and rapists off on early parole to make room.

before sending them back their country.

ok, but make em take a test for residency. We want the smart ones to stay as legal immigrants.

We do not need to legalize any illegal that is here

Why not? Make em take a test (english, US history, ...) and give them residence status if they pass.

We should also do things on the local level to entice illegals to go back to their countries-

1.No tax payer funded services(driver's licenses, food handler permits,IDs, business licenses and etc) for illegals. The fact someone is here illegally means that they should not be allowed to walk into a government office without being arrested.

ok.

2. Require financial institutions(banks,check cashing places and money wiring services ) to require a valid state ID.

ok.

3. Require auto-dealerships new and used to not sell vehicles to anyone without a valid state issued driver's license.

ok.

4.Require schools to verify that the parents are actually residents of the state(illegals can not be residents of the state) and have local valid state issued IDs or driver's licenses.

ok.

5.No tax payer funded benefits(welfare,food stamps, education and etc.)or illegals.Again the fact someone is here illegally means that they should not be allowed to walk into a government office without being arrested.

ok.

6.Require the police to verify the legal status of everyone they pull over for a traffic offense. This one no one can falsely claim discrimination or racial profiling. This would also get illegals from Canada and European countries and other illegals who can easily blend in with the local population.

Nope, this violates the fourth amendment.

7.Require hospitals to report illegals to authorities. If they have to report gun shot wounds and child abuse then there is no reason we can't require hospitals to report illegals.

ok.

8.Enact something similar to Arizona's law that makes it hard to pick up day laborers.

ok.
 
If East Germany could, we could. — Alaska Republican Senate nominee Joe Miller

Only the Soviet Union and North Korea imposed the death penalty for trespassing.

The opinions suggesting planting land mines and executing illegal immigrants are appropriate courses of action in securing our borders, are monstrous in my eyes. National leaders who offer such policy prescriptions are not serious people in my opinion.

The nation is breaking up. Accept those things you cannot prevent.
 
No, people traveled back and forth with some frequency.

5000 people are said to have escaped the berlin wall from 1975-1989 (that was the time of the fourth generation wall). Hmm... 5000 people escaped in 14 years time...I would say that is a damn sight better than what we have now. And I'm quite sure that we could do better with our more advanced technology that is available today.
 
5000 people are said to have escaped the berlin wall from 1975-1989 (that was the time of the fourth generation wall). Hmm... 5000 people escaped in 14 years time...I would say that is a damn sight better than what we have now. And I'm quite sure that we could do better with our more advanced technology that is available today.

Compare the border length and think what would be likely.
 
Too costly and impossible to do. The better approach is to cut down on illegal immigration by making it unattractive to come here illegally in the first place. Of course, we need to keep in mind that in order to sustain a worker to retiree ratio to support entitlements, we need immigrants as our natural birthrate is not sufficient and is only getting worse as the boomers retire.

Hmm...a nations security vs money....I think I'll choose security thanks. As for needing immigrants...that is why we have work visa's, student visa's and ways for immigrants to become legal citizens.

ok, of course my maid is an illegal. See below regarding jail.



Absolutely not. This ought to be made unconstitutional. If I commit a crime, you should not have access to my stuff. Police departments nation-wide abuse this regularly.

If you commit a crime then be prepared to suffer the consequences. Don't like? Don't do the crime.

Where will we put them? Prisons are overcrowded due to drug war minimum sentencing and they are letting murderers and rapists off on early parole to make room.

I'm sure we can find someplace. How about the Great Basin Desert? Deserts aren't really used that much anyways.

ok, but make em take a test for residency. We want the smart ones to stay as legal immigrants.

No.

Why not? Make em take a test (english, US history, ...) and give them residence status if they pass.

No.

Nope, this violates the fourth amendment.

No actually it doesn't. If it did then cops would not be able to ask for your name and ID.
 
How does an illegal get their kid in school?

Don't you need a birth certificate to prove his/her age to know what class to put them in?

If there is no documentation, at that point the family should be looked at.
 
How does an illegal get their kid in school?

Don't you need a birth certificate to prove his/her age to know what class to put them in?

If there is no documentation, at that point the family should be looked at.

It's illegal to discriminate against the beneficiaries of illegality.
 
Hmm...a nations security vs money....I think I'll choose security thanks. As for needing immigrants...that is why we have work visa's, student visa's and ways for immigrants to become legal citizens.

agreed on the legal route. But this is why I add testing of illegals to determine if they should stay. Make that a legal means. We should also test for the other mechanisms you list.

If you commit a crime then be prepared to suffer the consequences. Don't like? Don't do the crime.

Horse****. If you wish to levy a fine, that's fine, but to seize all assets is wrong. This is especially dire in the drug war, since they can seize property without a guilty conviction.


I'm sure we can find someplace. How about the Great Basin Desert? Deserts aren't really used that much anyways.

You are delusional.


No actually it doesn't. If it did then cops would not be able to ask for your name and ID.

Yes, you are right. I misread the item somehow as randomly stopping people. The item says that if a traffic offense is committed giving probably cause.
 
Too costly and impossible to do. The better approach is to cut down on illegal immigration by making it unattractive to come here illegally in the first place.

We need to do a combination of things to fix our illegal immigration problem and bring it down a trickle. Considering the fact we give away billions to other counties the cost of adequately securing the border is not an issue.

Of course, we need to keep in mind that in order to sustain a worker to retiree ratio to support entitlements, we need immigrants as our natural birthrate is not sufficient and is only getting worse as the boomers retire.

We can do that with legal immigration.We do not have to reward trespassers.

Absolutely not. This ought to be made unconstitutional. If I commit a crime, you should not have access to my stuff. Police departments nation-wide abuse this regularly.

If your money and assets are a result of your criminal activity or used for illegal activities then you should not entitled to keep any of it. Grant it there should be a system in place to prevent abuse,determine how much was used for illegal actives or obtained from illegal actives and only allow for seizure after a conviction. Seeing how we treat drug dealers and other criminals who profit from and or use their money for illegal activities a scumbag who hires illegals should be treated no different.

ok, of course my maid is an illegal. See below regarding jail.

Where will we put them? Prisons are overcrowded due to drug war minimum sentencing and they are letting murderers and rapists off on early parole to make room.

Usually someone sentenced to a very short amount of time (a year or less) is stuck in a jail while someone sentenced to longer terms are stuck in prisons. So they wouldn't be stuck behind bars with murderers and rapists. If overcrowding becomes an issue then they can do what many states and cities have done and resort to tent cities to make up for costs.And as a famous sheriff in Arizona proved you can feed inmates bologna sandwiches and water.

ok, but make em take a test for residency. We want the smart ones to stay as legal immigrants.

I do not want anyone staying who has no regard for our sovereignty and immigration laws. Our immigration policies should not discriminated between the more and less educated. As a matter of fact if they are caught then they should have their biometric data stored and used to permanently deny that individual entry into the US regardless of the reason they want it. Now if they want to go back to their country and come in and stay the legal way then sure let them stay.



Legalizing encourages more illegal immigrations and rewards it. That is why not.


Make em take a test (english, US history, ...) and give them residence status if they pass.

They come here legally and do that.Besides that we have something like that its called naturalization.

Nope, this violates the fourth amendment.

How so considering the fact that when the police pull you over for a traffic offense they can see if you have any warrants? In some states they do not even have to pull you over to see if you have insurance, if you have fines and other ****.
 
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Compare the border length and think what would be likely.

So? Let me guess...too costly? What is cost compared to security? Or lets put it this way...how much of that fence (and all that I suggested to go with it) could have been built for the cost of two wars?
 
I say we give illegals Atzland, but all the liberals in the nation have to move there first. Then we can wall off the rest of the country and be done with it.


j-mac
 
I say we give illegals Atzland, but all the liberals in the nation have to move there first. Then we can wall off the rest of the country and be done with it.


j-mac

The Mexicans have created Aztlan right here in our midst. They don't need us to give them anything because they've already taken it. Vast stretches of California are now like the deep interior of Mexico. Impoverished, uneducated and unskilled. This is the new America. Just like the old Mexico.
 
So? Let me guess...too costly? What is cost compared to security? Or lets put it this way...how much of that fence (and all that I suggested to go with it) could have been built for the cost of two wars?

Costly would be one issue yes, but hardly the only issue. The longer the border, the harder it is by a large margin to control it. When you consider the Berlin Wall was ~100 miles long and still not 100 % effective, compare that now to just under 2000 miles.
 
Costly would be one issue yes, but hardly the only issue. The longer the border, the harder it is by a large margin to control it. When you consider the Berlin Wall was ~100 miles long and still not 100 % effective, compare that now to just under 2000 miles.

The Korean DMZ is an example of how the illegal immigration problem can be solved. It's cheap to administer. The barbed wire and land mines just sit there waiting for trespassers. When the trespasser steps on the detonator, the trespass is over.
 
The Korean DMZ is an example of how the illegal immigration problem can be solved. It's cheap to administer. The barbed wire and land mines just sit there waiting for trespassers. When the trespasser steps on the detonator, the trespass is over.

So you want our southern border to be controlled like the North Korean border? I am not interested in such a police state.
 
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