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DADT cloture passes

The Cynic said:
You know what would have really helped improve the American standard of living?

Improving the American standard of living.
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Because you have all the answers, mayhaps we should follow your every whim?

PSSST~~~This is sarcasm.
 
Wake said:
These are good points. American soldiers weren't allowed to vote. If people expect those soldiers to "deal" with the obvious flamboyancy that is related to proud homosexuals, then those people should expect a backlash.
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A lot of gay men are masculine and not flamboyant... I don't honestly see a lot of the more feminine homosexuals joining the military. I have known a few gay men to join the military, and they weren't anymore "girly" than hetro men.

For a long time women serving was really controversial, and arguments were made about cohesion, weakness, distractions, etc.. If women can serve in the military without running around with their lower math skills, and not being more worried about their tans, manicures, pms, menstrual cycles, and hair buns than their unit, then why can't gay men serve properly too?

I have also noticed that most of the people against this are only complaining about gay men, not women.. Are you ok with lesbians serving? What about them getting flamboyant?
 
Wake said:
Military is composed of citizens of America. Being the case, in my interpretation, they should be allowed to vote on everything.

Indeed. Correct, again. You see, I had the source, but I forgot it. Searched for it I did, yet I couldn't find it without going in-depth. I could say it's for true I viewed the source, yet you could say it doesn't exist. In all honesty, don't you hate it when that happens?
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They were allowed to vote, just as we all are.

And I do hate it when that happens.
 
megaprogman said:
Has the military completely fallen to pieces yet?
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Would you expect it this very instant? We have this glorious, all-pervading, and intangible yet existant "thing" called time.
 
Wake said:
Because you have all the answers, mayhaps we should follow your every whim?

PSSST~~~This is sarcasm.
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We should all be so lucky. Unfortunately the majority of people are idiots. I'm not concerned with "saving" what's laughingly referred to as the "human race"... but that doesn't mean I don't have opinions.
 
You say the military is allowed to vote? Vote on what? Can they vote out Obama and help change policies?

Indeed, it is annoying.
 
Wake said:
These are good points. American soldiers weren't allowed to vote. If people expect those soldiers to "deal" with the obvious flamboyancy that is related to proud homosexuals, then those people should expect a backlash.
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You guys do realize that most American soldiers are US citizens? They receive the exact same right to vote that civilians do. They can vote in and out of office elected officials, including those that are in Congress who just repealed this law.
 
The Cynic said:
We should all be so lucky. Unfortunately the majority of people are idiots. I'm not concerned with "saving" what's laughingly referred to as the "human race"... but that doesn't mean I don't have opinions.
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Bill Maher?
 
Hey, has anybody walked into a law firm and seen a guy in a pink tutu and fishnets?

Do you really think there aren't any gay lawyers? Of course there are. They don't behave that way at work because they're professionals and they would get fired for doing so.

Why do people assume gay people would do this in the military? DADT's repeal means they'll be able to serve and not have to lie about who they are, it doesn't magically make them exempt from all of the other codes of conduct. A straight soldier wearing a tutu on the base would be disciplined, where on earth does anybody get the idea that this wouldn't also happen to a gay soldier? A soldier caught screwing a (female) fellow soldier on the Colonel's desk is not going to get away with it, why would a gay soldier?

Our soldiers are professionals. If they are unable to act like professionals, they'll be disciplined. Gay or straight. If you think otherwise, you obviously don't have as much respect for our men and women in uniform as I do.
 
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You know what I think would be hillarious... if a gay soldier finds and captures Osama Bin Laden.

I think many Conservatives may die due to a severe case of irony.
 
Wake said:
You say the military is allowed to vote? Vote on what? Can they vote out Obama and help change policies?

Indeed, it is annoying.
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Of course they can. They and the rest of eligible Americans can vote.
 
Navy Pride said:
We shall see what happens to our military now...I sadly predict it won't be a pretty picture if gays flaunt their sexuality like I expect and like they do in the so called gay pride parades.......A lot of gays will get beat up for checking out straights innocent or not.........On the beach gays that sit together, hold hands and kiss are very much endangered...........I am just glad to see I am not on active duty any more to see this...........Our military can never be defeated on the battlefield but they can from within...........I hope I am wrong but sadly I know Iam right.........As soon as the flaunting starts the incidents will start destrying morale and unit cohesion.........Stay tuned.........
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Oh shoosh NP, in the UK homosexuals have been allowed to fight and even marry in our armed services. Do you know what difference it makes - nothing, absolutely nothing, zilch. Your stereotypical view of the homosexual is overriding your logic.

A fine day for America, my warmest congradulations to you all!
 
Wake said:
You say the military is allowed to vote? Vote on what? Can they vote out Obama and help change policies?

Indeed, it is annoying.
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Democrats hate to count military absentee ballots...........
 
roguenuke said:
You guys do realize that most American soldiers are US citizens? They receive the exact same right to vote that civilians do. They can vote in and out of office elected officials, including those that are in Congress who just repealed this law.
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Then the person I had heard state such was incorrect. That is, of course, if you are correct.
 
And I'd like to say

YAAAY!! I'm so happy.
 
Wake said:
Then the person I had heard state such was incorrect. That is, of course, if you are correct.
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I think the intended meaning was that soldiers don't vote on military policy. They don't get to vote whether to go to Iraq, or on what the uniform code is, or what the penalty for stealing your commanding officer's mustache is.
 
Navy Pride said:
Democrats hate to count military absentee ballots...........
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This would be as wrong as saying something like this:

Navy Pride said:
......Looks like a repeal of DADT is dead..........
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Could be worse.......you could have predicted McCain to win over Obama......oops, bad example.....
 
Kelzie said:
He said that? Do you have a source?
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I'm reading a bit between the lines. He said he didn't envisoin one, as in the Marines are disciplined enough that they don't need one.
 
Wake said:
Then the person I had heard state such was incorrect. That is, of course, if you are correct.
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She is correct. You can vote in local, state and national elections based on meeting residency requirements(I voted all 6 years I was in as a resident of my hometown in Michigan) which are easy for veterans.

What military people do not get to vote on is specific military policy or anything that the rest of the country does not get to vote on. They have no special voting rights, and are still bound to do as their elected/appointed leaders instruct them.
 
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