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DADT cloture passes

Incest on youtube... I just checked and it looks like most of videos are about incest/rape survivors.. nothing perverted
 
Incest on youtube... I just checked and it looks like most of videos are about incest/rape survivors.. nothing perverted

Then you haven't searched "incest" and seen instances of people voluntarily doing incest. Do I have to post some of them? I'm not saying every single vid is pro-incest, but merely searching "incest" showed an amount of pro-incest vids. I'll post a few if I must. =_=
 
How did gays in the military morph into an incest on youtube debate?
 
It means I got you on that issue. Either you're not bigoted towards any harmless lifestyle, or you're a bigot.

It is in the same category. Any sort of sex outside of being between a man and a woman is therefore classified that way. You're not even seeing how one step can turn into another and another. Soon you'll be in my place, with them calling you a bigot. Who doesn't love diversity? Look at history.

It based on the rationale for why something is restricted.

Why is bestiality illegal? Is it because some people find it "icky" or immoral, or is it because animals cannot legally consent and therefore we have no idea if the animal could agree to have sex with the person? This is why it is animal cruelty and therefore illegal.

Why is incest illegal? Is it because some poeple find it "icky" or immoral, or is it because we have found that there are certain genetic problems that come from allowing incest between too-close relatives, for too long or generationally? Plus, along with this, if you are talking about a parent-child relationship or a sibling relationship, then there is good reason to suspect that it is possible that there was some unhealthy influence that led to the relationship. This is the main reason that teacher-student relationships are not allowed.

Now, as long as we are talking about consenting adults, homosexuality has no good reasons to prevent it from being legal and allowing these couples access to the same institutions that heterosexuals can engage in, including married.
 
How did gays in the military morph into an incest on youtube debate?

I'm proving a point related to it and how people flipantly use the word "bigot". To say there's no connection is partisan zealotry.
 
It based on the rationale for why something is restricted.

Why is bestiality illegal? Is it because some people find it "icky" or immoral, or is it because animals cannot legally consent and therefore we have no idea if the animal could agree to have sex with the person? This is why it is animal cruelty and therefore illegal.

Why is incest illegal? Is it because some poeple find it "icky" or immoral, or is it because we have found that there are certain genetic problems that come from allowing incest between too-close relatives, for too long or generationally? Plus, along with this, if you are talking about a parent-child relationship or a sibling relationship, then there is good reason to suspect that it is possible that there was some unhealthy influence that led to the relationship. This is the main reason that teacher-student relationships are not allowed.

Now, as long as we are talking about consenting adults, homosexuality has no good reasons to prevent it from being legal and allowing these couples access to the same institutions that heterosexuals can engage in, including married.

Bogus. People can reason that AIDS/HIV can spread through homosexual relations and then spread through bisexual relations. Time and again I see homosexuals suffering from AIDS.... my cousin included.
 
Bogus. People can reason that AIDS/HIV can spread through homosexual relations and then spread through bisexual relations. Time and again I see homosexuals suffering from AIDS.... my cousin included.

Did you take sex-ed? HIV can spread through hetero sexual relations too. See: Africa.
 
I'm proving a point related to it and how people flipantly use the word "bigot". To say there's no connection is partisan zealotry.

I did not say there was no connection, I asked what the connection was.
 
Bogus. People can reason that AIDS/HIV can spread through homosexual relations and then spread through bisexual relations. Time and again I see homosexuals suffering from AIDS.... my cousin included.

Except for the fact that heterosexuals get AIDS too. It is not just a homosexual disease. And it is not because they are homosexual that they are at the highest risk, but rather the unsafe sexual practices that some of them participate in, i.e. multiple partners, no protection, anal sex. And, homosexual women are at the lowest risk of getting HIV. So then it again proves that it isn't the sexuality, but rather unsafe sexual participation that spreads the disease.
 
Think what you will. You saw it at the polls before, and you'll see it again.

I know I will thats why Im proud to be an american, we will always continue to see change, improvement and progress at the polls or in the surpreme court. Sometimes it takes longer than it should but it gets done. Its always great to see progress and get rid of discrimination and other wrong doings :)

good job america!!!!!
 
Well then you're bigoted against at least four kinds of harmless lifestyles. Dude, that's really bigoted. You must be really hateful. Lol, take my place when time brings us to that point.

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Yes, I am bigoted against those lifestyles you listed that you think are harmless. If people who practice those things think or say I am bigoted against them, my feelings will not be hurt at all.

But, you don't understand that gay isn't a lifestyle. That's just one of the things you don't get in this debate. You're missing several important points.
 
How did gays in the military morph into an incest on youtube debate?

hmmmm?
strawman?
irrationality?
being illogical?
desperation?
ignorance?
stupidity?
bigotry?

man to many to pick from
 
Yes, I am bigoted against those lifestyles you listed that you think are harmless. If people who practice those things think or say I am bigoted against them, my feelings will not be hurt at all.

But, you don't understand that gay isn't a lifestyle. That's just one of the things you don't get in this debate. You're missing several important points.

Even should they choose to have incest, as in siblings, you have no say as to what they do. Don't be bigoted, lol. I'm also finding websites where people around the world have married animals. Nope, it can't become more tolerated over time, lol. I believe homosexuality is a choice made from influences. I could also state that you're not getting things and that you're missing important points.
 
hmmmm?
strawman?
irrationality?
being illogical?
desperation?
ignorance?
stupidity?
bigotry?

man to many to pick from

Those would apply to you. It is usually the fool who paints those with different opinions as "illogical." Do I think them misguided? Yes. Not capable of reason? No. I am neither stupid, irrational, bigoted, ignorant, desperate, or illogical. I merely disagree based on my religion. What you're stating I am is more ondicative of you, since you seem to like blindly insulting and insinuating such things.
 
Those would apply to you. It is usually the fool who paints those with different opinions as "illogical." Do I think them misguided? Yes. Not capable of reason? No. I am neither stupid, irrational, bigoted, ignorant, desperate, or illogical. I merely disagree based on my religion. What you're stating I am is more ondicative of you, since you seem to like blindly insulting and insinuating such things.


?????? hahahahaha feeling guilty much? im sorry where in my post did I mention you, i responded to a question, one that I didnt know the answer to but logically all I could come up with was that list :)

"Thou doth protest too much, me thinks" lol

also your religion, while it is yours and thats great is meaningless to me and law except for your right to have it, which of course makes you a hypocrite if you are an american
 
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It means I got you on that issue.
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Hahaha. You got me. So funny.

You don't understand that I said what I meant to say.

Your logic is ridiculous. If I am okay with one 'harmless lifestyle,' I have to be okay with any other 'lifestyle' you deem 'harmless?' Assinine.

Many people are born gay. I want them to have all the rights I have, and want them to be as happy as they can be. I don't look down on them for religious, political, or any other reasons. They are different than me in one particular way. That is all. I want them to be able to join the military without lying, and to be able to marry if they want. That is the issue here, that's what is important.

You are like a bouncing ball, all over the place on this thread, saying whatever off-the-wall thing you think of.
 
Just because someone is bigoted, does not mean they are bad.

For example, I'm bigoted against the sick ****s who rape children.

The trick is to determine what you should and should not be bigoted against, and different people use different methods.

There's disagreement on which methods are the proper ones, even.

Some think religion is the best way, others disagree.

Some think logic is the best way, others disagree.

Etc.
 
Just because someone is bigoted, does not mean they are bad.

For example, I'm bigoted against the sick ****s who rape children.

The trick is to determine what you should and should not be bigoted against, and different people use different methods.

There's disagreement on which methods are the proper ones, even.

Some think religion is the best way, others disagree.

Some think logic is the best way, others disagree.

Etc.

Yes, imo people should be bigoted and prejudiced regarding certain types, like the child rapists in your example.
 
Just because someone is bigoted, does not mean they are bad.

For example, I'm bigoted against the sick ****s who rape children.

The trick is to determine what you should and should not be bigoted against, and different people use different methods.

There's disagreement on which methods are the proper ones, even.

Some think religion is the best way, others disagree.

Some think logic is the best way, others disagree.

Etc.

Being a rapist is not a lifestyle or true sexuality. It's actually not normal for an adult of any animal species to find the young in its species sexually attractive. Homosexuality has been registered in many mammals.
 
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Even should they choose to have incest, as in siblings, you have no say as to what they do. Don't be bigoted, lol. I'm also finding websites where people around the world have married animals. Nope, it can't become more tolerated over time, lol. I believe homosexuality is a choice made from influences. I could also state that you're not getting things and that you're missing important points.

Just because some countries allow such things, does not mean that our country should or even can legally. Our country does not and has never recognized an animal as able to legally consent to pretty much anything. That most likely will not change for marriage (and if someone tried to change it, I'd say there would be a lot that were on the same sex marriage side on the anti-animal-person marriage side). Legally, having an animal for a spouse does nothing for the person. The animal cannot tell a doctor what their "spouse's" medical wishes are. An animal cannot be held legally responsible for it's "spouse's" financial obligations.

Can you name one legal thing that civil marriage bestows upon a person that an animal could accept responsibility for? And before you say inheritance, think again. If an animal is left an inheritance, there must be a human guardian for the animal.

Now, as for incest. I have already given you the legal questionality about having incest, especially for parent/child or sibling relationships, legal. But another part of this is what marriage bestows to the couple. Much of the things that a marriage gives to the couple are the rights that blood relatives already have, including medical access rights and legal rights to decide medical/burial issues. Plus, blood relations are even allowed certain rights concerning taxes, including being able to be claimed as dependents for tax purposes.
 
Being a rapist is not a lifestyle or true sexuality. It's actually not normal for an adult of any animal species to find the young in its species sexually attractive. Homosexuality has been registered in many mammals.
Are you suggesting that people shouldn't be bigoted against gays cause gayness is natural, but should be bigoted against child-rapists (or rapists in general) because rape is not natural?
 
Riiiight. You can totally equate the repeal of DADT to the Civil Rights Act. That's almost insulting.

/facepalm.

Jesus, got some issues with all of this I see...

I don't care, it's over. So people like you can stick it.
 
Are you suggesting that people shouldn't be bigoted against gays cause gayness is natural, but should be bigoted against child-rapists (or rapists in general) because rape is not natural?

For it to be bigotry it has to be some sort of lifestyle, sexuality, ethnicity etc. I'd hardly call 'pedophilia' a lifestyle or sexuality. It is an individual pursuing a single activity regardless of what nature or sociology has to say on the matter.
 
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