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DADT cloture passes

Navy Pride said:
I will admit you have and unusual perspective on the issue........Most women I know are diagusted by male gay sex but whatever floats your boat..........:)
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And most gay men are disgusted by you having sex of any kind. What was your point again?
 
TheNextEra said:
That's just it, in the long term I think it will make our military better. Of course there will be some incidents just like even today we have issues with racial and gender discrimination. But they are a small fraction to the whole of the military.
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If there were a draft, I would concede your point but the military is turning down a lot of applicants and has some pretty strict rules for admission. I just don’t see how you can say this makes the military better.

So the military budget didn’t change much to accommodate women when they were allowed to serve?
 
GPS_Flex said:
I don’t need to look it up. I know that Russia doesn’t have a ban against gays because gays don’t have any rights.

It’s easy for you folks to throw out examples of how bigoted the US is when you don’t bother to think things through to their logical conclusions.
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What kind of ridiculous straw man argument is this? Whenever my gay family members and friends are affected by Russian laws, I'll get back to you and speak to you about how bigoted they are. Until then, the bigotry in Russia is a Russian problem.
 
“While he regrets missing the votes, it was a family obligation that he just could not break.” — e-mail, Manchin Spokeswoman Sara Payne Scarbro¹​

Apparently nobody died in the Manchin family. This country currently has men and women serving in two foreign wars, separated from their families every day, missing all their family obligations and this senator couldn't show up for his job. I think little of him.

Excerpted from “Manchin skips votes on DADT, DREAM Act,” December 18, 2010 by Alison Knezevich on “Squawk Box, A Gazette Statehouse blog,” The Charleston Gazette (West Virginia)
[SIZE="+2"]T[/SIZE]oday is a big day in the U.S. Senate, and Sen. Joe Manchin isn’t there.

Manchin missed key votes today on the repeal of “don’t ask, don’t tell” — which advanced and is headed for a final vote this afternoon — and the DREAM Act, which died today and would have created a pathway to citizenship for young people who were brought to the country illegally. …
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GPS_Flex said:
I don’t need to look it up. I know that Russia doesn’t have a ban against gays because gays don’t have any rights.

It’s easy for you folks to throw out examples of how bigoted the US is when you don’t bother to think things through to their logical conclusions.
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Sexual orientation and military service - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Uh huh.

Anyway, more fun with freepers:
Attention: Conservatives. Think about this every time you make blanket accusations about liberals using extremists as an example. I could just as easily slap these sorts of people on all of you if I were that blindly partisan.
The Draft being ushered in under the Democrats! What Irony!
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That's... quite the leap.

I wonder if America needs a Pinochet to straighten things out?
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Democracy does something I agree with, END IT!

The repeal of DADT is a mean to an end, not the end. The military has always been used by the left as an engine of social change, ie. racial integration, women’s rights etc. This is not about getting gays into the military, its about gaining acceptance for gays out of the military.
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Well, yeah, actually, it kinda is about that too...

NAME THE G-D DAMN RINOS WHO SUPPORTED THIS TRAVESTY... AND THEN LIGHT THE TORCHES AND GRAB YOUR PITCHFORKS... ITS HANGING TIME!
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When I use the phrase "regressive," I'm usually thinking people who want to regress 30 years, not 300...

really.
we have to stop this repeal as if they get this then they will be cross dressing on base, homosexual parties, men holding and kissing on base .
Then they say we can die but cannot marry so overturn DOMA

This HAS TO BE STOPPED.
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That darn slippery slope of giving people the same rights as us white straight christian males...

Sad day in America. Right up there with Pearl Harbor, 9/11, and the stupid health care bill.
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and that time they ran out of ketchup at Denny's!!!!

A two temporary extension on tax marginal rates cost us what? The Pink Hand™ rules and now we are all riding the bone. I personally don't like it. When is a serious secession movement going to start?
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Last time it was over the right to own slaves, this time it's over the right to not have to know if the dude in the trench next to me is gay? Civil War 3 will be over who gets the last slice of pizza.

Knowing the democrats, I fear they will try to make being gay mandatory in the military.
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GPS_Flex said:
Well the supporters of DADT obviously have better things to do than answer my questions but I’ll ask again:

Of those countries that don’t have a homosexual ban, who among them allow for a homosexual to sue the military for discrimination?

Many of you keep touting the fact that the US is one of the last to take such a step yet you won’t think about the reasons {they don’t have bans} just like you won’t think about how this legislation can harm {our} military.
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1. The reasons we are one of the last countries to do this are political reasons.

2. What are you talking about? How what legislation can harm our military?
 
GPS_Flex said:
I don’t need to look it up. I know that Russia doesn’t have a ban against gays because gays don’t have any rights.

It’s easy for you folks to throw out examples of how bigoted the US is when you don’t bother to think things through to their logical conclusions.
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That is not quite accurate. Gays are allowed to serve by ruling of the Major-General of the Medical Service in Russia. Gays in russia in general have all the same rights as straits except they cannot marry, and since adoption is only to married couples, they cannot adopt.

If you don't need to look things up, then why are you asking us to do your homework for you?
 
Hatuey said:
What kind of ridiculous straw man argument is this? Whenever my gay family members and friends are affected by Russian laws, I'll get back to you and speak to you about how bigoted they are. Until then, the bigotry in Russia is a Russian problem.
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Check the history of my posts to this thread or be a little more clear about your point please.
 
Navy Pride said:
I hope I am wrong but I know I am not..........In the civilian world militant gays flaunt their sexuality all the time....They can get away with it there but when they are aboard ship and checking out a straight shipmates lunch and the guy knows it, that will be hell to pay........A lot of things that in the past might have been innocent touching won't be look at it that way.......Damn the people that want to use our brave military for social experimentation...........,
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NP, it's kinda like militant ANYTHING. They are a small minority. Either they will get ignored or they'll get "dealt with". It's how all extremists need to be dealt with.
 
Wake said:
You say the military is allowed to vote? Vote on what? Can they vote out Obama and help change policies?

Indeed, it is annoying.
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Hmmm... as far as I know, people who serve in the military have the exact same rights as the rest of us. They can vote for President, Senators, Congressman, Governors, etc... Are you saying that they can't?
 
Wow, all the doomsday premonitions. I never thought I would see so much FEAR! This is honest to god FEAR of the homosexuals. It's almost like a phobia of some sort...if only there was a name for it.
 
Navy Pride said:
Democrats hate to count military absentee ballots...........
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Republicans hate to count votes that disagree with them. Hey look! Both statements make about as much sense.
 
tryreading said:
1. The reasons we are one of the last countries to do this are political reasons.

2. What are you talking about? How what legislation can harm our military?
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1. Of course the reasons are political. Did you really think it’s because people Americans just hate gay people and want to make their lives miserable?

I look a little beyond such elementary thoughts and try to see the bigger picture.

2. Oh, “Motion to Concur in the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to H.R. 2965” is the legislation I’m referring to.
 
apdst said:
You can make of it what you please. I'm just pointing out an historical fact.
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Actually, you are trying to connect two dots that are not even in the same plane of existence. It fails, apdst.
 
Redress said:
That is not quite accurate. Gays are allowed to serve by ruling of the Major-General of the Medical Service in Russia. Gays in russia in general have all the same rights as straits except they cannot marry, and since adoption is only to married couples, they cannot adopt.

If you don't need to look things up, then why are you asking us to do your homework for you?
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Ok, let us get this cleared up: It is my belief that Russian gays can’t sue the military if they feel like they didn’t get a promotion they were qualified for simply because they are gay. I don’t have to look it up because I know it to be true balls to bones.

I also think the same is true for 99% of the countries you folks are throwing in my face in an attempt to make the US look like it is more bigoted than the rest of the world.

I call you on your claim that Russia (an others) not having a ban on gays is the same as it is in the US. Gays have rights, as a protected group, in the US that they don’t have in other countries.

So, if you think you can just throw out a list of countries that don’t have bans on gays serving in the military and claim that wins your argument for you, you are mistaken.
 
GPS_Flex said:
1. Of course the reasons are political. Did you really think it’s because people Americans just hate gay people and want to make their lives miserable?

I look a little beyond such elementary thoughts and try to see the bigger picture.

2. Oh, “Motion to Concur in the House Amendment to the Senate Amendment to H.R. 2965” is the legislation I’m referring to.
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1. Yes, some people hate gay people and want to make their lives miserable. Or, they fear them like Critical Thought said.

2. That is the legislation being discussed here, but you said something about legislation that could harm our miltary. HR 2965 won't do that, notwithstanding your drama.
 
CaptainCourtesy said:
Actually, you are trying to connect two dots that are not even in the same plane of existence. It fails, apdst.
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It doesn't matter what planes they are in, if it's just two dots, they can be mathematically connected and share a common plane.
 
GPS_Flex said:
It doesn't matter what planes they are in, if it's just two dots, they can be mathematically connected and share a common plane.
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Not if they are in different planes of existence. But, regardless, it was an expression used to explain that he attempted to connect something that had no connect. Of course, if you disagree, you can give it a shot.
 
GPS_Flex said:
Ok, let us get this cleared up: It is my belief that Russian gays can’t sue the military if they feel like they didn’t get a promotion they were qualified for simply because they are gay. I don’t have to look it up because I know it to be true balls to bones.

I also think the same is true for 99% of the countries you folks are throwing in my face in an attempt to make the US look like it is more bigoted than the rest of the world.

I call you on your claim that Russia (an others) not having a ban on gays is the same as it is in the US. Gays have rights, as a protected group, in the US that they don’t have in other countries.

So, if you think you can just throw out a list of countries that don’t have bans on gays serving in the military and claim that wins your argument for you, you are mistaken.
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US servicemembers are not allowed to sue the military while they are in the military. So what exactly is your issue? Do you think that homosexuals will be given some sort of very special privilege of being the only group of military members to be able to sue the military while they are in the military? Don't see it happening.
 
tryreading said:
1. Yes, some people hate gay people and want to make their lives miserable. Or, they fear them like Critical Thought said.

2. That is the legislation being discussed here, but you said something about legislation that could harm our miltary. HR 2965 won't do that, notwithstanding your drama.
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1. That is a fact of life. If gays are ok joining the military knowing that there will be a lot of people who will hate them because they are gay, more power to them.
2. My drama? lol, I’m talking about the shortcomings of this bill and all you can come up with is my “drama”? lol
 
roguenuke said:
US servicemembers are not allowed to sue the military while they are in the military. So what exactly is your issue? Do you think that homosexuals will be given some sort of very special privilege of being the only group of military members to be able to sue the military while they are in the military? Don't see it happening.
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Really? I’ll have to confirm this, but if true, this will have a major impact on my reasons for opposing the bill.

I honestly hope you are correct.
 
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