Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

OscarB63 said:

I think they should let him get the dog. fit his ass with a shock collar and have someone follow him around. any time he even thinks about abusing the dog, the shock the piss out of his ass.

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Fell asleep a lot in anatomy class, didn't you?

Deuce said:

Fell asleep a lot in anatomy class, didn't you?

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your uncalled for and irrelevent baiting/trolling is duely noted. :shrug:

danarhea said:

You know, I understand the outrage, but I believe that, if Vick wants a dog after he finishes probation, he should get one. After all, he will have served his sentence by then, and will have paid the price demanded of him.

So, answer the poll. BTW, it's multiple choice. :mrgreen:

Article is here.

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I think it is reasonable if the judge decides he shouldn't own a dog again.. I know of judges doing it before, and it works the same way with children. It's fair to determine people unfit, but I'll leave to the judge to decide. Personally, I don't think he should have a dog.. but I am not sure which breeds are used in dog fights. I know it's not all pit bulls. IDK.. he is a turdbag and I hope BlackDog rips him up.

I also liked some of the other choices to vote on.. I lol'ed. It was a hard choice.

Ikari said:

Animals are property. It's why we can eat them. And I'm not sure that our overbearing sexual predator laws make a good basis for other aggressive government tactics. Once Vick has completed his punishment, he should be free once again to own a dog. You can't punish him for things he may do in the future; only for that which he has already done.

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I don't agree that animals are property.. at least not the theoretical context. Vick isn't convicted of destroying his own property, and that is not a crime. You can destroy your own property. And since when does property have it's own rights and legal charges associated for abuse of it?

In the theoretical sense, cattle and horses are property and are considered movable property because they be bought or sold with the land..

Here is the history

The word cattle is derived from Middle English chatel, which meant all kinds of movable personal property [2], including of course livestock, which was differentiated from non-movable real-estate ("real property"). In later English, sometimes smaller livestock was called "small cattle" in that sense of movable property on land, which was not automatically bought or sold with the land.

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Crosscheck said:

Absolutely stupid on his part. I can't believe he is whining now. He got a second chance with his football career. Is playing great. Getting the big paychecks.

And now he has the audacity to cry about wanting a puppy now instead of doing his time. I was wrong about him. Initially I supported this guy and thought he might back up his words of feeling remorse. But now it is revealed he is like every con who finds god in prison.

To hell with him. I hope the Eagles get dumped on their butts this weekend.
The Eagles play the Giants this weekend. Go Giants and sack the quarterback.

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Yea, I know... It's like he is trying to be cocky and start some sh*t, or he just wants to get in the news... or all of the above

SheWolf said:

I don't agree that animals are property.. at least not the theoretical context. Vick isn't convicted of destroying his own property, and that is not a crime. You can destroy your own property. And since when does property have it's own rights and legal charges associated for abuse of it?

In the theoretical sense, cattle and horses are property and are considered movable property because they be bought or sold with the land..

Here is the history


Livestock - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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You can destroy your own property. But we've taken particular interest in the fluffy, cute animals we keep as pets. But they're still property. You can buy and sell it at your leisure. You can't do that with humans. Animals don't have any rights, there are privileges we've granted to them due to our emotional attachments; but they are not rights. Only humans possess rights. Cattle and horses are property, and of course they weren't bought and sold with the land because they are not part of land property. They're a certain sect of property. Like your computer. When you sell your house, the computer doesn't come with the price. Animals are essentially the same thing, we've just attached emotion to it.

The outrage on this issue is feigned. Dogs in America are treated as property. They are bought, sold and treated as a lower species in the market. Go to any chicken farm today and you'll see animals being mistreated in the millions by corporations. But Michael Vick hurts/kills a few dogs and everybody goes bitchy when he says he may want to own some in the future? I wonder how many people go this ballistic whenever somebody convicted of theft decides he wants to buy a car.

Hatuey said:

The outrage on this issue is feigned. Dogs in America are treated as property. They are bought, sold and treated as a lower species in the market. Go to any chicken farm today and you'll see animals being mistreated in the millions by corporations. But Michael Vick hurts/kills a few dogs and everybody goes bitchy when he says he may want to own some in the future? I wonder how many people go this ballistic whenever somebody convicted of theft decides he wants to buy a car.

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Usually I am in agreement with you but not on this. He will be able to own a dog at the end of his probabation May2012. So he should stop the whining. His life is going pretty nice now so he should learn to remember the saying about not doing the crime if you cant do the time.
As far as I am concerned the local animal shelter should drop off a couple recent dogs that had to be put down on his front door and tell him here are your new dogs.

Crosscheck said:

the local animal shelter should drop off a couple recent dogs that had to be put down on his front door and tell him here are your new dogs.

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haha, and people want to say that dogs aren't property.

Crosscheck said:

Usually I am in agreement with you but not on this. He will be able to own a dog at the end of his probabation May2012. So he should stop the whining. His life is going pretty nice now so he should learn to remember the saying about not doing the crime if you cant do the time.
As far as I am concerned the local animal shelter should drop off a couple recent dogs that had to be put down on his front door and tell him here are your new dogs.

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Yes and his real crime was gambling and not letting the government take a cut. The dogs were a sideshow. I have cats. My cats are part of my family's life. I might even say they are family members considering we didn't buy them, we adopted them from somebody who didn't want them. That however is not the story for the overwhelming majority of animals. This outrage because Vick hurt a few dogs is nothing more than scapegoating. America has a long reputation for treating animals as property. We've even treated humans as property but everyone is butt hurt because Vick sent a few dogs to early graves? Come on man. You have to realize they're sending out a message through Vick. It's okay for KFC to slaughter millions of animals for your wanton consumption every year, but kill 6-7 dogs on your own and your character will be destroyed.

Hatuey said:

Yes and his real crime was gambling and not letting the government take a cut. The dogs were a sideshow. I have cats. My cats are part of my family's life. I might even say they are family members considering we didn't buy them, we adopted them from somebody who didn't want them. That however is not the story for the overwhelming majority of animals. This outrage because Vick hurt a few dogs is nothing more than scapegoating. America has a long reputation for treating animals as property. We've even treated humans as property but everyone is butt hurt because Vick sent a few dogs to early graves? Come on man. You have to realize they're sending out a message through Vick. It's okay for KFC to slaughter millions of animals for your wanton consumption every year, but kill 6-7 dogs on your own and your character will be destroyed.

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I kind of see your point, I just didn't know they were doing ****-fighting at KFC.

Once again if you go through archive posts I supported Vick but I think he needs to keep the whining about having to wait until 2012 to himself.

Hatuey said:

Yes and his real crime was gambling and not letting the government take a cut.

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Yup. The one thing government hates the most is not getting their cut.

I am SO indifferent to all things Micheal Vick at this point.

Okay, so he was into dog fighting. He got arrested and got the smackdown.

WTF are we still talking about it? People make more of this than if he'd beaten a child half to death.

I have never understood how a nation that loves football, boxing, and the MMA, cannot tolerate **** fights and dog fights.

I know that **** fighting and dog fighting is brutal and ruthless, but boxing and the UFC are both brutal and ruthless as well.

Maybe you're concerned that the dog or chicken will die in at end. Well that's a distinct possibility, but in the end, your thirst for violence, aggression, and bloodshed would have been quenched. The same thirst that gets quenched when you go to a MMA or boxing match. How long would the average person mourn the death of an MMA fighter. Most people I'll bet would be all to eager to see the next fighter and skip the mourning bit altogether!

In football, who doesn't like to see a running back get tackled? Who doesn't want to see a quarterback get his clock cleaned? This is especially so when the star quarterback is on the opposing team, it's the fourth quarter, your team is down by 3 pts., the other team is on the 60 yardline, and it's their 3rd down. There's only 50 seconds on the clock!

Let's just face it! There's something within most humans that yearns for aggressive entertainment. The Romans had their gladiators, lions, and all sorts of beast. We modern day humans can have just about anything we want!

Football players, MMA fighters and boxers all choose to play/fight. The animals have no choice.

X Factor said:

Football players, MMA fighters and boxers all choose to play/fight. The animals have no choice.

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Weeeeeeelllll.... yes and no.

Gamecocks are disposed to fight anyway. It's their nature. Granted, nature didn't put steel spurs on them, Man did that. Still, they are fighters by nature.

Fighting dogs are usually pit bulls. I know a little something about this, because I knew a man whose past included dog fighting. A dog could turn away from the other dog and not fight... this happens sometimes.

Now granted, a lot of owners put down dogs that refuse to fight. Others just retire them when they lose their nerve. Lots of people think that is barbaric.

A lot of people don't know that many other kinds of dog trainers do much the same thing. I knew a breeder of bear-hunting-dogs... when one of the dogs they were raising showed fear of a bear, and refused to track bear scent, they took them back home and put them down. They didn't want the dog to spread his genes in their breeding stock, and had no use for him as a "useless mouth".

Animal shelters put down millions of dogs every year, for the crime of being unwanted.

Frankly, a big part of why many States outlaw **** and dog fighting has little or nothing to do with humanitarian concerns, but is rather about the politician's fury that gambling is going on and they are not getting their cut of the tax revenues.

I don't care for dog fighting or **** fighting myself... but I don't see why it should be a felony in most cases.

Especially **** fighting. They're chickens, for cryin' out loud. We eat hundreds of millions of chickens every year. We stuff them in tiny cages and take their eggs and kill them when they stop laying. Chickens are incredibly stupid creatures. They barely have enough brain to even stay alive without human oversight. No way would I make a man a felon over a freakin' chicken.

Right, the Pit Bulls and roosters put themselves in the fighting ring, just like the people do. :roll:

Bet you wish we'd bring back bear baiting and bull fighting, huh?

X Factor said:

Football players, MMA fighters and boxers all choose to play/fight. The animals have no choice.

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Show me one multi-million dollar millionaire MMA fighter or boxer and I'll show you one retired ex-fighter. Most actual fighters use boxing as a tool to wedge themselves out of poverty. To them, it's the only way out. Since fighting has been their forte all along, they select it as their device of escape. To them, they have no choice either.

We are a predacious species. At one time, we hunted for our food. We killed, and our hunger was satisfied. We warred and plundered, our tribe would be all the richer for it. We fought our dogs and our quest for violent entertainment was fulfilled. We'd eat the loser!

Oh, but that was so long ago...We're much more civilized now...

Hahahahahaha!!!

Hancock said:

Show me one multi-million dollar millionaire MMA fighter or boxer and I'll show you one retired ex-fighter. Most actual fighters use boxing as a tool to wedge themselves out of poverty. To them, it's the only way out. Since fighting has been their forte all along, they select it as their device of escape. To them, they have no choice either.

We are a predacious species. At one time, we hunted for our food. We killed, and our hunger was satisfied. We warred and plundered, our tribe would be all the richer for it. We fought our dogs and our quest for violent entertainment was fulfilled. We'd eat the loser!

Oh, but that was so long ago...We're much more civilized now...

Hahahahahaha!!!

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and your point is what??

OscarB63 said:

why not?

convicted felons are not allowed to have guns

convicted child molestors are not allowed to live within a certain distance from schools

we already put many restrictions on criminals after they have paid their dues. how is this any different?

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Out of these three, I believe prohibiting a felon who has paid his debt to society from obtaining a gun is unconstitutional. What gives the state the right to prevent a man from defending himself? If said felon actually tries to rebuild his life, he gets royally ****ed when criminals find out that the man cannot obtain the proper weapon to defend him from thuggery.

Yes, he should be able to get a dog. He should get it from a kill shelter though, and save it from being put down.

Ikari said:

haha, and people want to say that dogs aren't property.

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At one point slaves were considered property what is your point? It is determined by society. Though I like having pets, you should treat them as a living being and not an object.

Crosscheck said:

and your point is what??

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The point is that we as humans exploit whatever is in our environment to satisfy our own selfish needs or desires. We will do this until we become gluttons of fulfilling our whimsical hungers. Of course, we usually take the least amount of risk in accomplishing our selfish objectives, regardless as to the magnitude of reward.

Fighting one another requires skill, a certain degree of athleticism, and a higher threshold for pain. Paying someone else to fight is another alternative to quench our thirst for aggression, violence, and bloodshed. Capturing other animals and making them fight is just another ploy that we use to entertain ourselves by satisfying our thirst for aggression and violence.

As children, we used to capture butterflies, preying mantis, bumble bees, and wasps. We'd place any combination into a large just to make them fight or eat one another. To us as children, that was fun. If the insects appeared not to be interested in engagement we'd just shake the jar in order to agitate them into an aggressive state. It almost always worked. We'd talk about the fight between various insects for weeks.

It's in our nature to control the variables within our environment to the point that we satisfy all of our senses. Humans have a sense or natural proclivity for both violence and competition. We manifest this desire through wars, hunting, sports, and games.

When we hunt, we satisfy our need for food. We've also out-smarted the prey. When we war, we satisfy our egos and our need to dominate through violence. When we employ the shooting sports, we exhibit our exact capacity or potential for violence using a specific weapon type. When playing games or certain sports, we demonstrate our capacity to use strategies while employing violence and aggression in a more methodical manner.

Fighting cocks and dogs are very low-risk forms of entertainment that satisfies certain humans' thirst or quest for violence. While I don't personally endorse or ascribe to any form of this type of behavior, I do understand its roots.

Vick should be allowd to have a dog! Why not?

Your Star said:

Yes, he should be able to get a dog. He should get it from a kill shelter though, and save it from being put down.

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That's like letting a child molester live next to an elementary school, don't you think?

I find it disgusting how many die hard sports fans are willing to give Vick a pass over something this atrocious! It is like just cause he has "game" that all is forgiven..