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Vick says he would like a pet dog; anger follows

Should Michael Vick be allowed to own a dog?


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What makes you think he's "learned his lesson"? Because he's exciting to watch (as you posted before)?

By all of his actions off the football field, which have been documented numerous times in this thread. What makes you think he hasn't learned his lesson. All we have to go by is how he presents himself, and he seems to have learned his lesson.
 
By all of his actions off the football field, which have been documented numerous times in this thread. What makes you think he hasn't learned his lesson. All we have to go by is how he presents himself, and he seems to have learned his lesson.

I'm curious how it is you think someone learns empathy. Can you learn to feel empathy for your television? Or will it always be an object whose sole purpose is to supply you with entertainment?
 
I'm curious how it is you think someone learns empathy. Can you learn to feel empathy for your television? Or will it always be an object whose sole purpose is to supply you with entertainment?

Television, animal, two completely different things, bad analogy.
 
Because you've talked with him have you? Or is it just because he wants another dog? Empathy is not a lesson you can learn.

It's not about empathy. In my case, are you going to hold it against me that I am a drug addict, even though I have not used drugs for 25 years? People make mistakes. I made mine, and they are now behind me. If people had held my former drug usage against me, there is no way I could have contributed to the community as a good citizen. Sure, Vick's crime was terrible, but he already paid his price. Let him be a good citizen now. It's OVER, and is nothing more than fodder for political talking heads.
 
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Television, animal, two completely different things, bad analogy.

Oh because you say so? Well then, I suppose I should just log off right now.

I think it's quite obvious that Vick viewed dogs as less than property. He killed them and forced them to kill each other. Now apparently you think he can go from regarding something as property with the only purpose being his entertainment to a living, breathing entity deserving of love. Please explain how one does that. Perhaps with a bit more skill then "cause I said so."
 
It's not about empathy. In my case, are you going to hold it against me that I am a drug addict, even though I have not used drugs for 25 years? People make mistakes. I made mine, and they are now behind me. If people had held my former drug usage against me, there is no way I could have contributed to the community as a good citizen. Sure, Vick's crime was terrible, but he already paid his price. Let him be a good citizen now. It's OVER.

He didn't make a MISTAKE. He exhibited a pattern of behavior. He can contribute as much as he wants to society. That doesn't mean he needs another dog.
 
He didn't make a MISTAKE. He exhibited a pattern of behavior. He can contribute as much as he wants to society. That doesn't mean he needs another dog.

I exhibited a pattern of behavior too, when I was taking drugs, and it was pattern that is a lot more insidious than dog fighting. I broke my pattern. Vick deserves to show the world that he has broken his too.
 
I exhibited a pattern of behavior too, when I was taking drugs, and it was pattern that is a lot more insidious than dog fighting. I broke my pattern. Vick deserves to show the world that he has broken his too.

I'm sure the dogs would disagree with you. Your pattern was due to physical and mental dependency. You can learn not to be dependent on something. Vick's pattern was due to a lack of empathy. You can't learn that, no one can teach it to you. If you didn't break your pattern...well, all you hurt is yourself. If Vick doesn't, he gets to add another notch to the dozens he already has.

And Vick doesn't deserve ****. Oh poor wealthy football player! Can't have a dog now when it's obvious he cares so, so deeply about them....whatever will he do?!!?
 
All I know is that a responsible rescue or breeder wouldn't even think about letting him adopt a dog.
 
It's not about empathy. In my case, are you going to hold it against me that I am a drug addict, even though I have not used drugs for 25 years? People make mistakes. I made mine, and they are now behind me. If people had held my former drug usage against me, there is no way I could have contributed to the community as a good citizen. Sure, Vick's crime was terrible, but he already paid his price. Let him be a good citizen now. It's OVER, and is nothing more than fodder for political talking heads.

I agree that Vick deserves a second chance....that isn't this issue....and I'm happy that society gave you a second chance, you deserved it and did well with it.
That said....just like you have lived your life without drugs....Vick needs to live his life without his addiction to dogs.
 
:shrug: Dude, I know. People are analogy hatin' today.

Perhaps it something more than that.
Just take a look at the 4 letters of the word analogy.
Some just may not be all that comfortable with that subconscious thought.....
 
Perhaps it something more than that.
Just take a look at the 4 letters of the word analogy.
Some just may not be all that comfortable with that subconscious thought.....

:shock: Maybe they're closet homophobes!!! :mrgreen:
 
Perhaps it something more than that.
Just take a look at the 4 letters of the word analogy.
Some just may not be all that comfortable with that subconscious thought.....
And then, if you were to put "r" after the "o"...(I don't even know how to finish this).
 
I'm sure the dogs would disagree with you. Your pattern was due to physical and mental dependency. You can learn not to be dependent on something. Vick's pattern was due to a lack of empathy. You can't learn that, no one can teach it to you. If you didn't break your pattern...well, all you hurt is yourself. If Vick doesn't, he gets to add another notch to the dozens he already has.

And Vick doesn't deserve ****. Oh poor wealthy football player! Can't have a dog now when it's obvious he cares so, so deeply about them....whatever will he do?!!?
Love the sarcasm, Kelzie. Vick is not some sympathetic folk hero.
 
... there was potential for profit involved.
If he needed money when he was an NFL star don't you think he'd need it even more now? It's an easy way for him to make money, he obviously won't be opposed to the same methods just because he went to jail.
 
If he needed money when he was an NFL star don't you think he'd need it even more now?

Even more now? He's still an NFL star. Also, I didn't say he needed the money back when he was involved w/ dog fights. I said "there was potential for profit involved". The fact that someone is making millions doesn't curtail the strive to make more.
 
That's not exactly true. There are laws against abusing animals which mean there are legal limits to what you can do to animal. This is not the case for most other types of property.

Yes, we have created certain privileges for our animals because we don't want to see our cute little pets beaten. Fine. But that was our choice. That doesn't mean that they aren't property, it's just property that we've set aside special rules in some cases for. But it's still property. When animals shelters fill up, they kill off animals. Why? Because it's an annoyance. They don't have the space/means to keep more, so for the sake of convenience, we kill off some to make room for others. Sure we say we do it "humanely"; but the fact remains that when it becomes too inconvenient for us; we destroy the animal. Why? Because they are not people, they are property.
 
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