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I was in Iraq last year for christmas. my wife decorated the house and left everything in place until I returned home in June. We celebrated Christmas on the 22 of June and God didn't strike me dead.

1) God does not strike you dead for your sins (at least not mortally), you are held to account.
2) Christmas is an arbitrary day in the celebration of the birth of Christ. No one really knows when Christ was born. If you look at the history of Christmas, you will see its predominantly a celebration of the winter solastice . Its a pagan holiday that was substantially hijack by the Roman Catholic church (see also Easter). Though I'm sure God appreciates the special attention given his son on that date, true Christains should celebrate the birth, the death and resurrection of the son every day. Celebrating these things just one day per year.... well, for that you will be struck eternally dead. (in short, celebrating the birth of Christ on Christmas day means nothing)
3) There have been major changes to what has been expected by God of Jews/Christians over time (like blood sacrifice), but these changes have been authorized by God himself. The changes that have been come from Rome or any other church body should deal only with those that wish to celebrate mass as Catholics or worship in whatever church body, as that is as far at that authority extends. What Christians should or should not do its biblical, and that hasn't changed in 1800 years or so.
4) You, who is outside the religion of Islam, telling a muslim it should be ok to do is X, Y, or Z is offensively arrogant and bigoted, when you have no real understanding of its doctrine.
 
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Am I, or anyone to assume that this trashing of Christian belief, and chastisement of anyone daring to question the religion of supposed peace means you support Islam moreso that Christianity?


j-mac
 
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I think they should have allowed her to go on unpaid leave to go on a religious pilgrimage. I don't think her request was unreasonable and she has a right to sue.
Sue? She signed a contract that stated she would work. She requested, and was denied, legally. The only thing they think she is able to actually sue for is discrimination.
Denying unpaid leave is routine, and legal, and she accepted it when she took the job. That is not now, and should never, be in question.

Unpaid leave is a burden on the students and the administration, and the default answer, excluding family and medical leave (FMLA), should be no.
 
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Sue? She signed a contract that stated she would work. She requested, and was denied, legally. The only thing they think she is able to actually sue for is discrimination.
Denying unpaid leave is routine, and legal, and she accepted it when she took the job. That is not now, and should never, be in question.

agreed. unless other teachers in her district are routinely granted upaid leave for similar reasons, it's her tough luck.
 
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I don't think so, I think my nephew who is a teacher in NC told me that they can opt to spread their salary out in even sums to cover the summer time off. So they do get a check, but it is money already earned so to speak.


j-mac

In Alabama, don't know about other states, your annual pay is based on a 9 month calendar. you can elect to have your pay prorated and get a check every month instead of just for the 9 month of the contract year.

the last year I taught, teachers also accrued 9 personal (aka vacation days) and 9 sick days per contract year.

regardless of what clueless bubba thinks he knows, these personal and sick days can be taken at the discretion of the employee. there is no "management approval" required.

I personally have seen teachers accrue personal days for several years and then take a month off.


maybe the system is different where this lady teaches, maybe not. regardless, she would have a stronger case had see attempted to use earned paid leave instead of asking for unpaid leave.
 
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I don't think so, I think my nephew who is a teacher in NC told me that they can opt to spread their salary out in even sums to cover the summer time off. So they do get a check, but it is money already earned so to speak.


j-mac

that's the way i thought most districts operated.
 
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1) God does not strike you dead for your sins (at least not mortally), you are held to account.

neither does Allah

2) Christmas is an arbitrary day in the celebration of the birth of Christ. No one really knows when Christ was born. If you look at the history of Christmas, you will see its predominantly a celebration of the winter solastice . Its a pagan holiday that was substantially hijack by the Roman Catholic church (see also Easter). Though I'm sure God appreciates the special attention given his son on that date, true Christains should celebrate the birth, the death and resurrection of the son every day. Celebrating these things just one day per year.... well, for that you will be struck eternally dead. (in short, celebrating the birth of Christ on Christmas day means nothing)

just as much meaning in celebrating christmas on 25 dec as there is on doing Hajj on a date arbitrarily picked by Muhammed :shrug:

3) There have been major changes to what has been expected by God of Jews/Christians over time (like blood sacrifice), but these changes have been authorized by God himself. The changes that have been come from Rome or any other church body should deal only with those that wish to celebrate mass as Catholics or worship in whatever church body, as that is as far at that authority extends. What Christians should or should not do its biblical, and that hasn't changed in 1800 years or so.

and the ritual of the Hajj has been changed, by men, for the sake of convenience, not authorized by Allah, as well. what's your point?

4) You, who is outside the religion of Islam, telling a muslim it should be ok to do is X, Y, or Z is offensively arrogant and bigoted, when you have no real understanding of its doctrine.

only an arrogant know-it-all would be offended by someone asking legitmate questions. religion of "peace" my ass. you got pissed off by me simply asking a question.
 
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neither does Allah



just as much meaning in celebrating christmas on 25 dec as there is on doing Hajj on a date arbitrarily picked by Muhammed :shrug:



and the ritual of the Hajj has been changed, by men, for the sake of convenience, not authorized by Allah, as well. what's your point?



only an arrogant know-it-all would be offended by someone asking legitmate questions. religion of "peace" my ass. you got pissed off by me simply asking a question.


Here's what you're forgetting, its not your place to decide whats "reasonable" in a person's faith and therefore what they can and cannot do. You're also forgetting that the Hajj isn't like Christimas in the least. Its something thats held at one specific location, which happens to be in a country run by a religious dictatorship which will only allow you to come at that specific time, AND the Hajj requires a strict schedule and resources beyond the capacity of a normal individual to acquire. Its not like most Christmas celebrations were you buy some gifts whenever you feel like it, wrap them whenever, throw them under a tree and just take the day off work.
 
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Here's what you're forgetting, its not your place to decide whats "reasonable" in a person's faith and therefore what they can and cannot do. You're also forgetting that the Hajj isn't like Christimas in the least. Its something thats held at one specific location, which happens to be in a country run by a religious dictatorship which will only allow you to come at that specific time, AND the Hajj requires a strict schedule and resources beyond the capacity of a normal individual to acquire. Its not like most Christmas celebrations were you buy some gifts whenever you feel like it, wrap them whenever, throw them under a tree and just take the day off work.

I'm not forgetting anything.

I made no assertion that they should or should not do anything.

I simply asked a legitimate freaking question. ie, they already changed major parts of the ritual to accomodate the ever growing number of hadjis, why can't they change the date?

the fact that certain people lost their freaking minds and started attacking me speaks volumes about "the religion of peace".
 
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Originally Posted by j-mac
I don't think so, I think my nephew who is a teacher in NC told me that they can opt to spread their salary out in even sums to cover the summer time off. So they do get a check, but it is money already earned so to speak.


j-mac


that's the way i thought most districts operated.


this is correct. the days off in the summer do not count as "vacation" because the money they are paid was earned during the contract year.

most districts also provide additional paid "personal" and "sick" days as part of the fringe benefits package.

it is these paid personal days that a teacher can accrue and use at his/her discretion.
 
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I was in Iraq last year for christmas. my wife decorated the house and left everything in place until I returned home in June. We celebrated Christmas on the 22 of June and God didn't strike me dead.

203rd battalion?
 
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I'm not forgetting anything.

I made no assertion that they should or should not do anything.

I simply asked a legitimate freaking question. ie, they already changed major parts of the ritual to accomodate the ever growing number of hadjis, why can't they change the date?

the fact that certain people lost their freaking minds and started attacking me speaks volumes about "the religion of peace".

They could but they haven't. If my grandma had three wheels she'd be a tricycle, but she doesn't. Its a stupid question because speaks volumes about your misunderstanding of the "religion of peace" as you so smugly put it.
 
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203rd battalion?

roger rabbit. i was the battalion S4, logistics officer. I am currently the assistant S3 (this is actually a higher level position even though I am an assistant :shrug: )
 
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roger rabbit. i was the battalion S4, logistics officer. I am currently the assistant S3 (this is actually a higher level position even though I am an assistant :shrug: )

you must be very happy to be home this christmas.
 
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roger rabbit. i was the battalion S4, logistics officer. I am currently the assistant S3 (this is actually a higher level position even though I am an assistant :shrug: )

Holy **** don't tell me you're a loggy too?
 
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They could but they haven't. If my grandma had three wheels she'd be a tricycle, but she doesn't. Its a stupid question because speaks volumes about your misunderstanding of the "religion of peace" as you so smugly put it.

it is not stupid.

they changed other major parts of the ritual, ie you can now pay/designate someone to make the animal sacrifice on your behalf, you no longer have to kiss the black stone as you make the circle, you only have to point at it.

if, for the sake of accomodating the ever growing numbers of participants, you can change these major parts of the ritual... why, for the sake of accomodating the ever growing number of participants that must travel much greater distances, allow them to perform the ritual at some othe date?

because I say so, is the fools answer to the why question.
 
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Holy **** don't tell me you're a loggy too?

90A qualified
 
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it is not stupid.

they changed other major parts of the ritual, ie you can now pay/designate someone to make the animal sacrifice on your behalf, you no longer have to kiss the black stone as you make the circle, you only have to point at it.

if, for the sake of accomodating the ever growing numbers of participants, you can change these major parts of the ritual... why, for the sake of accomodating the ever growing number of participants that must travel much greater distances, allow them to perform the ritual at some othe date?

because I say so, is the fools answer to the why question.

Maybe they should, but it until they do then asking people to act like its been changed is ridiculous. You aren't seriously suggesting that this women shouldn't be allowed to go because her religion, as well as the Saudi government, doesnt like her timeline? She has no power to change that whatsoever.
 
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Maybe they should, but it until they do then asking people to act like its been changed is ridiculous. You aren't seriously suggesting that this women shouldn't be allowed to go because her religion, as well as the Saudi government, doesnt like her timeline? She has no power to change that whatsoever.

I was seriously suggesting that instead of asking for unpaid leave, she save up her personal days for a year or two and then apply for paid leave. then if she were denied, she would've had a much stronger leg to stand on.


I just think see did not pursue all the options available to her and is therefore either uninformed/dumb or she was just looking to make a statement.
 
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I did not even know the last one and whether it is true. You do still perform the ritual stone throwing, I do know that.

The logistic of kissing the stone is probably why. People fight to kiss it and end up dying especially the old or those who bring children
When I go, I'm going to do all three. I'm old school. Screw someone else killing my animal for me :cool:

You can't change the date, that is set in stone because Eid is set in stone.

The Hajj formally begins on the eighth day of Dhul-Hijjah (the 12th month of the Islamic lunar year). It is during this month that the annual pilgrimage to Mecca occurs. Prophet Muhamamad himself sanctioned the first ten days of this month as a special time for devotion. All of the rituals cumulate on Eid < More complex but short and simple version

I hope the animal sinks his teeth into your butt before you do him in. At least he'll die with a smile on his face. LOL. (I hate animal cruelty - in the US you'd be locked up for it).
 
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It might be noted that the school does allow unpaid leave for various (clearly specified) reasons. Religion is not one of them. I would find it hard to believe that this is not explained to every employee there when they are hired. For someone then to demand to get a privilege that they were told they (and no one else) has, ought to be grounds for termination. This lady is lucky she wasn't fired.
 
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it is not stupid.

they changed other major parts of the ritual, ie you can now pay/designate someone to make the animal sacrifice on your behalf, you no longer have to kiss the black stone as you make the circle, you only have to point at it.
That is not a requirement of Hajj. It is Sunnah and not obligatory.
if, for the sake of accomodating the ever growing numbers of participants, you can change these major parts of the ritual... why, for the sake of accomodating the ever growing number of participants that must travel much greater distances, allow them to perform the ritual at some othe date?
Do you honestly know nothing about Hajj? Hajj always occurs before Eid al-Adha, which occurs in the last month of the Islamic calendar. How would you like it if people started telling you to change the day Christmas or Easter is on? Does that seem logical?

Does it seem logical to have an event that brings 2,000,000 people to one region all year round? That's not exactly practical.
 
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That is not a requirement of Hajj. It is Sunnah and not obligatory.

really, so it doesn't matter what the **** they do once they get there...just as long as they show up on the correct days? they could roll around naked eating dog **** and it would be OK?
 
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I hope the animal sinks his teeth into your butt before you do him in. At least he'll die with a smile on his face. LOL. (I hate animal cruelty - in the US you'd be locked up for it).

Won't happen, I'm hardly an amateur and I could care less what you hate or what the law is in US.

And I sure hope you are a vegan :lol:
 
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really, so it doesn't matter what the **** they do once they get there...just as long as they show up on the correct days? they could roll around naked eating dog **** and it would be OK?

Yes, that's clearly what I said... :roll:

You said they did away with the requirement to kiss the Hajr Aswad. I corrected you by stating that was never a requirement. How you equated that with being able to do whatever you want during Hajj is beyond me.
 
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