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Health Care Reform Provision Is Unconstitutional, Federal Judge Rules

Boo Radley said:
It's the disconnect I think many miss. You have to have a way to make up for the cost to insurance companies for the provisions that most like. As noted before, the public option would have been a better solution, but people opposed that as well. There is a disconnect.
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Is it right to force American citizens to purchase a product because the government says you must, or be fined or possibly serve jail time?

States have laws that require you to buy auto insurance, if you choose to drive your car.
The health insurance you have to buy because you breath and you have no choice in that matter.
I think they have that mandate in Mass. (which it's failing) but maybe they can do that because it's a state mandate.
 
Boo Radley said:
:roll: Keep telling yourself that. :coffeepap
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I watched the HC fiasco.
One thing I've learned from C-Span is that our legislaters give very little time to worrying about if something is Constitutional. They swear to uphold the constitution but then they just leave that up to the SCOTUS. The republicans have promised to change that. Each bill will have to show that it is indeed constitutional before voted on.
 
j-mac said:
"We'll have to pass the bill, before we can see what is in the bill...." -Nancy Pelosi


j-mac
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That statement was a response to the disinformation being broadcast about the pending legislation by various pundits.
 
Barbbtx said:
I watched the HC fiasco.
One thing I've learned from C-Span is that our legislaters give very little time to worrying about if something is Constitutional. They swear to uphold the constitution but then they just leave that up to the SCOTUS. The republicans have promised to change that. Each bill will have to show that it is indeed constitutional before voted on.
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Well, we did learn tea party cadidates didn't actually know the consititution, but I suspect our leaders give it a little more thouight than you give them credit for.
 
j-mac said:
"We'll have to pass the bill, before we can see what is in the bill...." -Nancy Pelosi


j-mac
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Read the bill?:confused: read the bil?:confused:
Who's going to read the bill? That would take days and lawyers to explain the bill:confused:
Jon Conyers
 
megaprogman said:
That statement was a response to the disinformation being broadcast about the pending legislation by various pundits.
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Exactly what was the disinformation?
The death panels? That's a matter of opinion as to whether they are in that or not. Letting people die, in my opinion is a death panel.
What other disinformation? Besides the disinformation coming from the WH?

If you like your insurance, you can keep it.



It's not a tax.

If you like your doctor you can keep him.
Premiums will go down.
 
Boo Radley said:
Well, we did learn tea party cadidates didn't actually know the consititution, but I suspect our leaders give it a little more thouight than you give them credit for.
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If you're talking about O'donnell, you're wrong. Just because she tried to do a gotcha and it backfired, doesn't mean she doesn't know the constitution.
 
Barbbtx said:
If you're talking about O'donnell, you're wrong. Just because she tried to do a gotcha and it backfired, doesn't mean she doesn't know the constitution.
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Absolutely, and if you really look at the question that she was posing to the Socialist Coons, she was correct, and Coons was 100% wrong.


j-mac
 
I'm not surprised by this. This was the Republican alternative to the "public option" that they voted for before they voted against it. Obama was a fool to try to negotiate with them and as a result we ended up with this Republican idea in the health-care bill (that they voted against anyway) instead of a true public option. I hope that this gets stricken down and as a result we get TRUE healthcare reform including a public-option. That is what we should have gotten in the first place (and would have) if it hadn't been for the "party of no" ideas.
 
disneydude said:
I'm not surprised by this. This was the Republican alternative to the "public option" that they voted for before they voted against it. Obama was a fool to try to negotiate with them and as a result we ended up with this Republican idea in the health-care bill (that they voted against anyway) instead of a true public option. I hope that this gets stricken down and as a result we get TRUE healthcare reform including a public-option. That is what we should have gotten in the first place (and would have) if it hadn't been for the "party of no" ideas.
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Wait a minute, wasn't it people like you that were saying that the repubs weren't offering any ideas during the debate, when in reality they were being shut out of the process by authoritarian liberal thugs?


hmmmm...Your spin is entertaining.


j-mac
 
Erod said:
This is the part of the plan that makes no sense.

If I've got heart disease and need a transplant, then I sign an insurance policy, make a single $100 monthly payment, then get $250,000 worth of surgery and aftercare, how does that work for the insurance company?

This is how you know for certain Obama wants to just do away with private insurance altogether. How can they possibly compete when they have to run like a business, but the government doesn't?
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Well...that and the fact that we have video of him stating that universal health care is his goal.

The thing about pre-existing conditions...its just plain foolish. I have a car...I dont carry insurance. I get in a wreck. Now I run to the insurance company and say hey...I know I didnt bother carrying insurance before, but now you HAVE to cover me and ohbytheway...I've got about $6,700.00 in damages, I totalled the other guys car, and Im being sued for $55,000.00.

What part of 'insurance' do people not get?
 
disneydude said:
Puh-lease....she didn't even know the first Amendment was part of the Constitution.
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Actually her question is right on if you actually listen to more than the likes of Olberman, Maddow, and Schultz....Or is it Malloy these days?


j-mac
 
j-mac said:
Wait a minute, wasn't it people like you that were saying that the repubs weren't offering any ideas during the debate, when in reality they were being shut out of the process by authoritarian liberal thugs?


hmmmm...Your spin is entertaining.


j-mac
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I can see him in his little pink tutu now... spinning and spinning......
 
disneydude said:
Puh-lease....she didn't even know the first Amendment was part of the Constitution.
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j-mac said:
Actually her question is right on if you actually listen to more than the likes of Olberman, Maddow, and Schultz....Or is it Malloy these days?


j-mac
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If you want to get 'technical', the 1st amendment was not part of the original Constitution. It was part of the Bill of Rights... it was an 'amendment' to the original Constitution.
 
Barbbtx said:
True, But repealing the bill is #1 in Jan. They are going to put it to a vote (they will have the votes) Then they will take to Obama (he'll veto)
Then they are going to start trying to repeal, defund parts of it.
I don't know if it's possible but would be nice if they could work on building a new one as they are dissecting the other one.
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I don't want a new plan.
 
Barbbtx said:
If you're talking about O'donnell, you're wrong. Just because she tried to do a gotcha and it backfired, doesn't mean she doesn't know the constitution.
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Not just her, but it certainly would fit her. And if it was a gotcha, it worked well. She clearly didn't know the consititution. but, it wasn't just her.
 
j-mac said:
Absolutely, and if you really look at the question that she was posing to the Socialist Coons, she was correct, and Coons was 100% wrong.


j-mac
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You're free to support that, but there was more there than what Coons was asked. She too was asked a question or three, and could not identify any constitutional point. So, don't limit yourself so much when looking at it. :coffeepap
 
ptif219 said:
This may mean the whole law will have to be thrown out. Obama will now have to work with the GOP on healthcare.
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Hopefully helping government get their ****ing fingers out of it. But we know that won't be the case.

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zimmer said:
Hopefully helping government get their ****ing fingers out of it. But we know that won't be the case.

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And if nothing happens, we end where we are, going down a road that cannot continue. Always good to see someone support the unsupportable. :coffeepap
 
Boo Radley said:
You're free to support that, but there was more there than what Coons was asked. She too was asked a question or three, and could not identify any constitutional point. So, don't limit yourself so much when looking at it. :coffeepap
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don't shift the goal post on me Joe, You made a statement about the question she asked Coons, and that is what I was talking about. Now you want to come back and instead of probing where you're wrong on your point you want to broaden the original point to hide the fact that O'donell was correct, and the Socialist Coons was exposed by her question.

j-mac
 
excellent; let us hope that the ruling stands and the SCOTUS reinforces what it ruled in Lopez: that there is a limit to Congress' authority under the Commerce Clause.


remove the mandate and Obamacare falls apart; the vast majority of Americans will simply refuse to sign up for insurance-that-isn't-insurance; and instead move to better plans.

now if only we could equalize the tax treatment of individual and corporate purchasers...
 
cpwill said:
excellent; let us hope that the ruling stands and the SCOTUS reinforces what it ruled in Lopez: that there is a limit to Congress' authority under the Commerce Clause.


remove the mandate and Obamacare falls apart; the vast majority of Americans will simply refuse to sign up for insurance-that-isn't-insurance; and instead move to better plans.

now if only we could equalize the tax treatment of individual and corporate purchasers...
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How's it going Will?

I agree, on the tax thing I would love to see a flat tax and be done with it.

j-mac
 
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