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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Kelzie said:
They make allowances for ceremonies, but in general, you could not hold hands or kiss while in uniform.
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I don't see why that image could not include two people of the same sex.
 
winston53660 said:
I don't see why that image could not include two people of the same sex.
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that image is irrelevent to the discussion. but, of course, you knew that when you threw it up there.
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah, but according to the arguement some on your side make....wait for it....gender is a state of mind, not physical equipment. what is to stop some guy who thinks he is a woman trapped in a man's body from wearing a female uniform because he thinks he's a she? god forbid we infringe upon his/her civil rights....

I know this is a reach and highly unlikely scenario....but I can see some gender confused person doing it just to make a statement. :shrug:
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And, no matter how much you guys don't want to accept this, a man/woman who wants to wear/dress as the opposite sex is not necessarily homosexual. It is a separate issue from DADT. A person now could tell others that he/she is a crossdresser in their off time and the military could not discharge them for doing so under DADT.

It may come up in the future what to do about crossdressers in the military (whether or not to allow them to actually wear the uniform of the opposite sex. I doubt that it will happen in the near future that the military allows this, even after DADT is repealed. It is a separate issue.
 
OscarB63 said:
holding hands and walking arm in arm is PDA, frowned upon by the military whether you are homo or hetero
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Not really so much out of uniform, on base.

The point is that there are many things that are acceptable for a heterosexual to do but not a homosexual, on base and off base, in uniform or in civilian clothes (depending on the situation. There should just be one set of rules. Either it is acceptable for both to do it or isn't acceptable for either to do it.
 
OscarB63 said:
holding hands and walking arm in arm is PDA, frowned upon by the military whether you are homo or hetero
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Depends kinda. We would never have considered either a PDA when I was in the navy, unless in uniform, and even then not really. The Marines(I think) have actual regulations on PDAs, but the rest of the service does not, so it probably varies from branch, base and command.
 
OscarB63 said:
yeah, but according to the arguement some on your side make....wait for it....gender is a state of mind, not physical equipment. what is to stop some guy who thinks he is a woman trapped in a man's body from wearing a female uniform because he thinks he's a she? god forbid we infringe upon his/her civil rights....

I know this is a reach and highly unlikely scenario....but I can see some gender confused person doing it just to make a statement. :shrug:
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We are talking about gays, not transgendered. It's two entirely separate things. No one has to my knowledge, nor are they likely to challenge uniform regulations.
 
Erod said:
I can't wait to see the 65-year-old General on that cover with a 17-year-old Laotian boy.
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What is the difference if it is a Laotian boy or girl?
 
Redress said:
Depends kinda. We would never have considered either a PDA when I was in the navy, unless in uniform, and even then not really. The Marines(I think) have actual regulations on PDAs, but the rest of the service does not, so it probably varies from branch, base and command.
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They do. MSgt's flipping paranoid about it. I think we actually shook hands a couple times after a lunch date. :mrgreen:
 
Redress said:
What is the difference if it is a Laotian boy or girl?
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Hank Hill: So are you Chinese or Japanese?
Minh Souphanousinphone: No, we are Laotian.
Bill Dauterive: The ocean? What ocean?
Kahn Souphanousinphone: From Laos, stupid! It's a landlocked country in South East Asia between Vietnam and Thailand, population approximately 4.7 million!
(Hank ponders this for a few seconds)
Hank Hill: So are you Chinese or Japanese?
 
You both gave me a good laugh. Thank you.
 
Redress said:
You are wrong. Holding hands or walking arm in arm is going to bother about .0000000001% of the military, and they already are troublemakers.
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ok,
and which branch, and at what time did you serve, soldier?
 
Kelzie said:
I don't know. Nuclear holocaust? Civil war? That's a ridiculous questions. Again, the DoD has established no long term harm will come to our military. If you can't trust them, I'm not going to be able to convince you otherwise.

It's not just liberals either. 60%+ of the military thinks it will work. I promise there's not that many liberals in the military.
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Sorry but was given a two day vacation from this DP due to a post in this forum therefore I am done with this thread as well as a few of the posters here.
 
Conservative said:
Sorry but was given a two day vacation from this DP due to a post in this forum therefore I am done with this thread as well as a few of the posters here.
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Does that mean me? I don't remember doing anything but I can get sassy sometimes. Sorry. :shrug:
 
Conservative said:
No, not you are all. I respect your point of view and comments.
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Oh okay, cool. The feeling was mutual, so I was a little worried. ;)

Don't let it get to you. I've been dinged before too.
 
Kelzie said:
Oh okay, cool. The feeling was mutual, so I was a little worried. ;)

Don't let it get to you. I've been dinged before too.
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as well you should be, anybody from Joshua tree and a liberal should be wheeled out of town in a broken carriage :2razz:

jk, I welcome your tangled web of thought:lol:
 
shades said:
as well you should be, anybody from Joshua tree and a liberal should be wheeled out of town in a broken carriage :2razz:

jk, I welcome your tangled web of thought:lol:
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It's a weird little hippy haven, being that it's right next to a Marine base and all. Though regardless, I need to change it now. Thanks for reminding me.
 
Redress said:
US Navy, 87 to 93. Served with two gays.
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ok,
and did they frolic around flaunting it, girl talk kind of inuendos, the carpet colors clashing in the tv room, mess hall decorum kind of outward giveaways?
Did they discuss their "partners" openly?
Did they bring their partners to Christmas partys, or functions and outwardly show affection?

these are serious questions, I'm curious?
 
shades said:
ok, and did they frolic around flaunting it, girl talk kind of inuendos, the carpet colors clashing in the tv room, mess hall decorum kind of outward giveaways?
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I have never once "froliced", "flaunted", "girl talked", or "decored".

You have a rather stereotypical view of gay people.
 
shades said:
ok,
and did they frolic around flaunting it, girl talk kind of inuendos, the carpet colors clashing in the tv room, mess hall decorum kind of outward giveaways?
Did they discuss their "partners" openly?
Did they bring their partners to Christmas partys, or functions and outwardly show affection?

these are serious questions, I'm curious?
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Why is any of this relevant?
 
shades said:
ok,
and did they frolic around flaunting it, girl talk kind of inuendos, the carpet colors clashing in the tv room, mess hall decorum kind of outward giveaways?
Did they discuss their "partners" openly?
Did they bring their partners to Christmas partys, or functions and outwardly show affection?

these are serious questions, I'm curious?
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You really have not been around many gay people have you? Hint: most gays are nothing like what you describe. The ones from my hometown tend to talk about their pickups, snowmobiles, guns and hunting. Boy, that sure won't fit in well with military people...

By the way, it goes both ways. I went christmas shopping this week with two gay women, and they did not talk about sports, men's clothing or anything like that, but how pretty some outfits where, how well things would go with their home decor, and so on. Gay men are not women, gay women are not men.
 
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