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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Women regularly and repeatedly get pap smears by straight male doctors. A shower with a lesbian is child's play after that.

Perhaps, but let's not pretend that there aren't any women in the world that are uncomfortable billeting with a lesbian.
 
Personally, the only reason that I would be uncomfortable sharing a shower with a group of male soldiers is because a) I wouldn't want men that I might find attractive judging me and my body (my own issues with self esteem, I actually am not comfortable showering with anyone I am not intimate with, male or female) and b) I might be on my period. Women might be a bit more understanding of other women on their period during showers than men, since almost all women have a period and no men do.

Guess what, if a woman isn't comfortable showering with women because she doesn't want them judging her, too bad. It is part of the job. If a man is not comfortable showering with men because he doesn't want them judging him, too bad. It is part of the job. In fact, how many really small or really big guys do you think there are that are not comfortable showering with other men because they may get teased? I knew one guy on the ship who was very uncomfortable being naked in front of the other guys because he was well endowed and the other guys talked about it.

That's fine, that's great...you can't speak for 100% off the females in the military.
 
independent_thinker2002;1059160955]I care about what I perceive to be an injustice.

Why no political activism for the past 17 years on this issue? Think expressing yourself on a message board is going to work?

I'm not going to join.

Not surprised


Prove that this is the exception.

That is always what you do, "prove it" knowing well that no one can prove it but silence is quite telling and with 66000 out of 3 million or so it cannot be that bad.


Do you have to be married to be against spousal abuse?



I've never said that the military and Congress shouldn't be able to make the call. I am just expressing my opinion on what that decision should be. Why are you trying to frame the discussion as anything other than that?

Baiting and trolling is what you do, isn't that an infraction?
 
Women regularly and repeatedly get pap smears by straight male doctors. A shower with a lesbian is child's play after that.

Actually, aboard ship, not only do you get a pap from a male doctor usually, but you also may see that doctor during that same day walking through the mess decks or doing something else casually who recognizes you from your earlier pap. It is completely uncomfortable, but again, one of those things that you deal with.
 
If you're honorably discharged, you can. Not under other discharge, however.

I was mistaken. Apparently it took a while for him to be discharged.
 
Ok, fine. He still violated regulations by wearing his uniform to a political rally. He's wrong, no matter how you try to slice it.

He is not in the military. Military regulations no longer apply.
 
Perhaps, but let's not pretend that there aren't any women in the world that are uncomfortable billeting with a lesbian.

Why does that make them uncomfortable?
 
believe me, it has nothing to do with not wanting to shower with them.

I find the gay soldiers I have been around to be more the type of soldier I want to be in the line of fire with, they are "in general" better people, all around.
and certainly capable.

but there is an uncomfortable air being in a conversation about being gay..

I'm just trying to keep it real here folks, dont crucify me .

But it is a sexuality issue. I'm guessing you would be really uncomfortable if you knew the monitor in the bathroom while you peed in a cup was gay wouldn't you? Women have been dealing with way more intrusive situations like that for decades with nary a whisper of complaint. Because women understand that just because a person possesses the sexual orientation be attracted to you, doesn't a) mean they are or b) mean they will toss all sense of professionalism and act on it. Really it's quite arrogant of men.
 
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Ok, fine. He still violated regulations by wearing his uniform to a political rally. He's wrong, no matter how you try to slice it.

Yeah I agree. I have no problem with him speaking at a rally or campaign, but not in his uniform. The military doesn't take political sides and we should avoid even the suggestion of it.
 
it's like this: women don't usually much care, because we don't feel threatened by lesbians. at least, i would say the majority of us aren't. so who give a flying **** if they see some tatas?

By saying, "we", you speak for every woman in America?
 
Yeah I agree. I have no problem with him speaking at a rally or campaign, but not in his uniform.

I don't either, exccept that it's a violation of the regulations, if he's still on active duty.

The military doesn't take political sides and we should avoid even the suggestion of it

Another great reason to maintain DADT and simply lift the ban on gays.
 
That's fine, that's great...you can't speak for 100% off the females in the military.

And almost everyone in the military is uncomfortable about having to do something in the military. The military does not have to accomodate everyone's comfort levels. How many people do you think are comfortable having to pee in front of someone else for a drug test? How many people do you think are comfortable having to watch others pee for a drug test (and in the Navy it is not just MAs who have to observe, I have observed for other women many times because I was the only woman of a certain rank available to do so, active and reserve)? And there are plenty of women and men who are uncomfortable with their own bodies to be comfortable showering in front of anyone, no matter what the sexuality of anyone in the shower. Those people don't get a choice to shower alone, when there are only communal showers, just because they are uncomfortable.
 
I don't either, exccept that it's a violation of the regulations, if he's still on active duty.

Well, assuming he was no longer in the service.

Another great reason to maintain DADT and simply lift the ban on gays.

Not quite the same thing. The military implementing a new policy is not taking sides.
 
Why no political activism for the past 17 years on this issue? Think expressing yourself on a message board is going to work?

Do you think expressing yourself on a message board is going to stop the repeal? :2razz:

Not surprised


I'm sure you aren't.

That is always what you do, "prove it" knowing well that no one can prove it but silence is quite telling and with 66000 out of 3 million or so it cannot be that bad.

The policy is they have to be silent. Duh.

Baiting and trolling is what you do, isn't that an infraction?

You didn't answer this. Do you have to be married to be against spousal abuse?
 
Do you think expressing yourself on a message board is going to stop the repeal? :2razz:




I'm sure you aren't.



The policy is they have to be silent. Duh.



You didn't answer this. Do you have to be married to be against spousal abuse?

DADT doesn't prevent anyone from serving in the military. If you don't want to live and "play" by the rules of the military, don't enlist. It is a law on the books for 17 years passed by a Democrat Congress,signed by Clinton, Clinton for two terms, Bush for two terms, and Obama for two years didn't seem to have a problem with it but now all of a sudden in a lame duck Congress it is a priority. That dog don't hunt!
 
DADT doesn't prevent anyone from serving in the military. If you don't want to live and "play" by the rules of the military, don't enlist. It is a law on the books for 17 years passed by a Democrat Congress,signed by Clinton, Clinton for two terms, Bush for two terms, and Obama for two years didn't seem to have a problem with it but now all of a sudden in a lame duck Congress it is a priority. That dog don't hunt!

How long has the law been on the books? :lol:

Bad laws don't deserve tenure.
 
DADT doesn't prevent anyone from serving in the military. If you don't want to live and "play" by the rules of the military, don't enlist. It is a law on the books for 17 years passed by a Democrat Congress,signed by Clinton, Clinton for two terms, Bush for two terms, and Obama for two years didn't seem to have a problem with it but now all of a sudden in a lame duck Congress it is a priority. That dog don't hunt!

It has actually been opposed since it's inception. Here is just one source documenting efforts to repeal between 2005 and 2007: Opposition to DADT policy: 2005-2007

To say that it is only now an issue would be false. It has been an issue with some all along, but is only now reaching the point where something is likely to be done about it.
 
Seems like a relative few believe this is a bad law and it certainly isn't at the top of the majority's agenda which is more about jobs and economic growth, not DADT

Luckily our Congress can vote on multiple things at the same time. I won't attest to their walking and chewing gum skills though.
 
It has actually been opposed since it's inception. Here is just one source documenting efforts to repeal between 2005 and 2007: Opposition to DADT policy: 2005-2007

To say that it is only now an issue would be false. It has been an issue with some all along, but is only now reaching the point where something is likely to be done about it.

Right, it is an issue for the LGTG group but not the majority in this country. 2005-2007 was 12-14 years after passage. It is 2010 now. I asked you what happens if you are wrong on this issue and I get silence, then more of the same. This is an all volunteer military and no one has to serve. If there was a draft then you would have a point, but until the courts or the Congress/military leaders act you have nothing.
 
Luckily our Congress can vote on multiple things at the same time. I won't attest to their walking and chewing gum skills though.

Not without some back room deals. If they felt the political capital wasn't enough to handle all of the issues, certain issues took priority. Then you will have many occasions where Congressmen have to suggest "well, if you vote for such and such that I support, I may be able to lend a hand ______ and ______"
 
Luckily our Congress can vote on multiple things at the same time. I won't attest to their walking and chewing gum skills though.

They sure can spend money but agree with you that I cannot attest either to their walking and chewing gum skills. Both sides should be booted out on their ass especially this Congress. The people spoke on Nov. 2 and that vote is being ignored today.
 
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