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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Navy Pride said:
I don't believe in polls, it all depends on the questions asked. I talk to sailors every day stationed on the USS NIMITZ (CVN-68) and to a man they tell me they were never asked do you believe DADT should be repealed but what is the best way to repeal it.
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Really? I know three Marines that were. And I don't know that many Marines.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bottom line if its not broke don't fix it...............

If it were up to me I would go back to the old rocks and shoals and you would have to sign a statement upon entering military service that you are not gay..........Chew on that one.................
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Problem is that it is broke. Just like the old feudalism system was broke when people demanded their fair share.
 
Navy Pride said:
Bottom line if its not broke don't fix it...............

If it were up to me I would go back to the old rocks and shoals and you would have to sign a statement upon entering military service that you are not gay..........Chew on that one.................
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People being treated as second-class citizens fits my definition of broken.
 
apdst said:
Actually, I didn't see where you said, "legal order".
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While I didn't initially, an honest examination would realize that was what I meant by "order".


apdst said:
Ordering a soldier to share billets, with personel that he/she doesn't want to share billets with would be an unlawful order. Your contention, is that you can order a soldiers to share billets with whomever you think they should be sharing billets with. It's all covered in AR 600-20. Check it out.
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You should point me to the relevant part of AR 600 -20. It isn't popping out at me. Unless you mean that it currently does not include sexual orientation in the groups that are protected from discrimination.

I may be mistaken, but do you mean a private home when you say billets? That isn't how I took it. I was thinking "I won't sleep in that room of ten men because one of them is gay."
 
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Navy Pride said:
Bottom line if its not broke don't fix it...............

If it were up to me I would go back to the old rocks and shoals and you would have to sign a statement upon entering military service that you are not gay..........Chew on that one.................
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That would really stop those sneaky gays!
 
Kelzie said:
Really? I know three Marines that were. And I don't know that many Marines.
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Well not according to the Commandant of the MC.........He has said that 95% all marines that he talked to were against repeal of DADT...About the same as the sailors I talked to.............
 
Deuce said:
People being treated as second-class citizens fits my definition of broken.
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well why don't you join up and fight it..............Yeah, right...............
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
While I didn't initially, an honest examination would realize that was what I meant by "order".
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LOL...yeah, ok.




You should point me to the relevant part of AR 600 -20. It isn't popping out at me. Unless you mean that it currently does not include sexual orientation in the groups that are protected from discrimination.
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The part that says that, "soldiers shall have a safe, comfortable working and living environment, free of sexual harassment".

It's the Army's command policy. Read it, it will do you some good.

I may be mistaken, but do you mean a private home when you say billets? That isn't how I took it. I was thinking "I won't sleep in that room of ten men because one of them is gay."
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You took it right, the first time.
 
Navy Pride said:
Well not according to the Commandant of the MC.........He has said that 95% all marines that he talked to were against repeal of DADT...About the same as the sailors I talked to.............
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Which he based off of an extremely informal study that was conducted by a "show of hands" in auditoriums. Color me not impressed.

Meanwhile, the real survey came back with very different results. Shocking.
 
Well the House is set to vote either tomorrow or Thursday on the stand alone bill. The next 2 days will mark the fate of DADT repeal. If it does pass on Wednesday, then Reid may extend the session past the weekend so that the Senate can debate and vote on it. The stand alone bill allegedly has the support of a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. You couldn't possibly cut it any closer than this.

At this point I mostly want to see it repealed just to spite NP.
 
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Navy Pride said:
Are you in the Navy? Have you served aboard ship?
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Have you ever walked through a gay bar packed full of horny men?

I have. I survived. I'm still not attracted to men.
 
CriticalThought said:
Well the House is set to vote either tomorrow or Thursday on the stand alone bill. The next 2 days will mark the fate of DADT repeal. If it does pass on Wednesday, then Reid may extend the session past the weekend so that the Senate can debate and vote on it. The stand alone bill allegedly has the support of a filibuster proof majority in the Senate. You couldn't possibly cut it any closer than this.
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I hope a stand alone bill to repeal DADT passes, and I hope that SOB Obama doesn't get any credit for it.
 
Kelzie said:
Which he based off of an extremely informal study that was conducted by a "show of hands" in auditoriums. Color me not impressed.

Meanwhile, the real survey came back with very different results. Shocking.
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That is good enough for me..............At least they were asked the right question...............
 
Navy Pride said:
It sure as hell was easy to get rid of them when they made unwanted advances against straight sailors and they did not get and honorable discharge either..........
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Guess what? If they repeal DADT and they make unwanted sexual advances, they won't get an honorable discharge still.
 
Navy Pride said:
well why don't you join up and fight it..............Yeah, right...............
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I don't think violence is a very good way to resolve this.

What about straight soldiers who make unwanted advances against women?
 
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independent_thinker2002 said:
Have you ever walked through a gay bar packed full of horny men?

I have. I survived. I'm still not attracted to men.
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You didn't when they had been to sea for 90 days...............The guys in the gay bars are doing the daisy chain thing everry night.....huge difference........
 
Navy Pride said:
That is good enough for me..............At least they were asked the right question...............
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I think it's an interesting social experiment as to how influenced by peer pressure young males are. Apparently a lot of you compare the commandants "survey" with the real one.
 
Kelzie said:
I think it's an interesting social experiment as to how influenced by peer pressure young males are. Apparently a lot of you compare the commandants "survey" with the real one.
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You see Kelzie you if anyone should know the MC or the Navy is not there for social experimentation.................Its there to fight your wars and protect us......not for what would happen if gays were allowed to serve openly and flaunt their sexuality in front of straight men who think homosexuaity is wrong and a sin against God..........
 
Navy Pride said:
You didn't when they had been to sea for 90 days...............The guys in the gay bars are doing the daisy chain thing everry night.....huge difference........
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Yeah, you aren't the only straight person on the vessel. Do you really think that they could get away with molesting you? I think it's pretty obvious that you would dot his eye if a guy touched you inappropriately.
 
Navy Pride said:
You see Kelzie you if anyone should know the MC or the Navy is not there for social experimentation.................Its there to fight your wars and protect us......not for what would happen if gays were allowed to serve openly and flaunt their sexuality in front of straight men who think homosexuaity is wrong and a sin against God..........
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I think you misread my post. The commandant's survey was the social experiment.

The military is not a Christian organization.
 
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