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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

Even your source admits it's hard to pin down a number, which is exactly what I said. You picked one estimate, which is on the low side of the range.

Read on, even if the number is what Critical Thought stated that is 21 million out of a population of 310 million or a little less than 7%. The military is estimating 66000 or 2% of the military which is hardly a major issue in today's world. With all the problems we have in this country why is this such a major issue for you and others? Looks to me like it is going to be repealed, then what?
 
Every one who voted no despite what the military wanted.


what the military wanted? I think that's a little dishonest. I don't think there were polls saying they wanted it repealed, just polls that reflect most of our opinions, we don't care if you are gay or not....


You have polls that are for it, against it, some like this link make distinction of combat personnel vs REMF's... I mean you really can't speak to an active push by military folk to repeal the thing. Frankly, and rightfully so, other than that traitor manning, it's the furthest thing from thier minds right now.... we have two wars going on, remember?
 
Read on, even if the number is what Critical Thought stated that is 21 million out of a population of 310 million or a little less than 7%. The military is estimating 66000 or 2% of the military which is hardly a major issue in today's world. With all the problems we have in this country why is this such a major issue for you and others? Looks to me like it is going to be repealed, then what?

You have almost 100 posts in this thread now, far and away the highest post count. Why is it such a big issue to you? Why blame others for driving an issue you are largely responsible for driving here.
 
You have almost 100 posts in this thread now, far and away the highest post count. Why is it such a big issue to you?

Well, you can ask.

.......but he probably won't tell.
 
what the military wanted? I think that's a little dishonest. I don't think there were polls saying they wanted it repealed, just polls that reflect most of our opinions, we don't care if you are gay or not....


You have polls that are for it, against it, some like this link make distinction of combat personnel vs REMF's... I mean you really can't speak to an active push by military folk to repeal the thing. Frankly, and rightfully so, other than that traitor manning, it's the furthest thing from thier minds right now.... we have two wars going on, remember?

What did the military report to congress? You have a history of saying the government should give the military what it wants, so why not now?
 
You have almost 100 posts in this thread now, far and away the highest post count. Why is it such a big issue to you? Why blame others for driving an issue you are largely responsible for driving here.




seriously? Conservative is driving all the gay topics at DP.... I must have misread this. :lol:
 
You have almost 100 posts in this thread now, far and away the highest post count. Why is it such a big issue to you? Why blame others for driving an issue you are largely responsible for driving here.

Very impressive, counting my posts on this thread. Liberals like you don't like being challenged but I like challenging you and that is the only issue for me.
 
seriously? Conservative is driving all the gay topics at DP.... I must have misread this. :lol:

Reading comprehension > you apparently. Did you miss my stating, clearly, this thread.
 
Very impressive, counting my posts on this thread. Liberals like you don't like being challenged but I like challenging you and that is the only issue for me.

You don't have to count, you can click on the number of posts in the thread in the forum and it lists people who have posted in a thread and their post count in that thread.

I don't mind being challenged, but you have not done much successfully except repeated the same refuted comments.
 
Reading comprehension > you apparently. Did you miss my stating, clearly, this thread.




Perhaps you should compose more consise thoughts. to me it seemed that you were suggesting it was as big an issue to conservative as say critical thought.....


See I disagree with conservative for the most part, but I hardly think he registers on the scale of the "Gay agenda" threads and posting, just sayin.... :shrug:
 
You don't have to count, you can click on the number of posts in the thread in the forum and it lists people who have posted in a thread and their post count in that thread.

I don't mind being challenged, but you have not done much successfully except repeated the same refuted comments.

When challenged a liberal either ignores the challenge or claims that the challenge has been refuted or been unsuccessful. Glad to hear that you took a personal poll and came up with that unanimous decision supporting your point of view. Well done!
 
Perhaps you should compose more consise thoughts. to me it seemed that you were suggesting it was as big an issue to conservative as say critical thought.....


See I disagree with conservative for the most part, but I hardly think he registers on the scale of the "Gay agenda" threads and posting, just sayin.... :shrug:

I can see where you could get confused since I specifically stated this thread. His comments in this thread are why is it a big deal, but he is making a big deal of it, in this thread. We are not talking about "gay issues" or "the gay agenda"(hint: there isn't one), we are talking about one specific issue.
 
dont ask, dont tell.. whats wrong with that idea.

no one hates Gays, just not the place to be flaunting it.

and should a lame duck congress really be voting or introducing ANYTHING?
They were voted out werent they?.
 
When challenged a liberal either ignores the challenge or claims that the challenge has been refuted or been unsuccessful. Glad to hear that you took a personal poll and came up with that unanimous decision supporting your point of view. Well done!

When challenged, a conservative moves the goalposts and shifts the topic.

What did the heads of the military report to congress?
 
I can see where you could get confused since I specifically stated this thread. His comments in this thread are why is it a big deal, but he is making a big deal of it, in this thread. We are not talking about "gay issues" or "the gay agenda"(hint: there isn't one), we are talking about one specific issue.


There is absolutley a "Gay Agenda" for some folks. I see nothing wrong with it... I don't think people's liberty should be stifled based on where they stick thier genitalia.... but to say there is no agenda, I think is incorrect. :shrug:


As for "this thread" you changed HIS context.... I was following his. So even if you think I was wrong in my response. the snotty retort, was wholly unnecessary...
 
Since when is not having to hide an aspect of the self "shoving it down peoples's throats"? Are you shoving your own agenda down people's throats by openly stating your opinion that they shouldn't shove THEIR agenda down people's throats? No, you're just being honest about it.

Because gays in the military don't have to, "hide". DADT was put into place to protect them; to end the days of recruiters/commanders asking if they're gay. Before DADT gays had to hide and lie. Now, they can say, "you can't ask me that. It's against the rules".

As I've suggested. the ban on gays should be lifted and DADT left in place. I know that's not popular with the anti-dadt folks, because it ****s with the whole gay pride, in yo' face thing.
 
When challenged, a conservative moves the goalposts and shifts the topic.

What did the heads of the military report to congress?

What did the Chief of Staff for The Army and the Commandant of The Marine Corps say?
 
There is absolutley a "Gay Agenda" for some folks. I see nothing wrong with it... I don't think people's liberty should be stifled based on where they stick thier genitalia.... but to say there is no agenda, I think is incorrect. :shrug:

Some folks have an agenda, but there is no overriding "gay agenda".


As for "this thread" you changed HIS context.... I was following his. So even if you think I was wrong in my response. the snotty retort, was wholly unnecessary...

You might want to reread his post:

Read on, even if the number is what Critical Thought stated that is 21 million out of a population of 310 million or a little less than 7%. The military is estimating 66000 or 2% of the military which is hardly a major issue in today's world. With all the problems we have in this country why is this such a major issue for you and others? Looks to me like it is going to be repealed, then what?

Note that it is speaking of DADT directly.
 
Because gays in the military don't have to, "hide". DADT was put into place to protect them; to end the days of recruiters/commanders asking if they're gay. Before DADT gays had to hide and lie. Now, they can say, "you can't ask me that. It's against the rules".

As I've suggested. the ban on gays should be lifted and DADT left in place. I know that's not popular with the anti-dadt folks, because it ****s with the whole gay pride, in yo' face thing.

Yes they do have to hide the fact they are gay. Do you want me to document why some have been thrown out? What is considered "telling"? Again?
 
Some folks have an agenda, but there is no overriding "gay agenda".


I have no argument here.


You might want to reread his post:



Note that it is speaking of DADT directly.



/facepalm no, he specifically states Lies... he was trying to one up you by bringing in a broader picture of Obama's "lies"... you retorted what lie..... You left off the "S"... I responded as if you were answering him in his context...


If you disagree. let's ask him instead of playing this silly game here.
 
Yes they do have to hide the fact they are gay. Do you want me to document why some have been thrown out? What is considered "telling"? Again?




What makes you think, that those who were kicked out for some of the reasons you state would have an easier time if DADT was repealed?
 
When challenged, a conservative moves the goalposts and shifts the topic.

What did the heads of the military report to congress?

Which heads of the Military? Remember no matter how many times or far you move the goalposts a kick between the uprights is still 3 points. You don't seem to like rules or at least certain rules.
 
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I have no argument here.

Hey, we agree on something!

/facepalm no, he specifically states Lies... he was trying to one up you by bringing in a broader picture of Obama's "lies"... you retorted what lie..... You left off the "S"... I responded as if you were answering him in his context...


If you disagree. let's ask him instead of playing this silly game here.

You are confusing one quote with another at the moment. This was the one dealing with how important the issue is, not perceived lies.
 
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