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'Don't ask' repeal fails in Senate

@Conservative: It's not a passionate issue to you, because you are not part of the 4%, and you do not care about the 4%. I'd say a small percentage of the population is composed of people from Swaziland, so does that mean if the army stops letting people from Swaziland into the army unless they get plastic surgery to change their skin-tone, nobody should care?
 
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Conservative said:
So still I am waiting for exactly what the Republicans obstructed with regards to the Obama Agenda and more to the point, why is this issue(DADT) now? It has been in effect since 1993 so what difference does another few months make? If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen and I am still waiting for the national implications of this and why we are now into our 64th page on this thread. Sure is a lot of passion for something so irrelevant and something that affects about 4% of the population.
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Okay here's my theory for the timing (mind it's just a theory). DADT is about to cost the government/military a lot of money. There are a number of cases working their way through the court system involving homosexuals that were booted out of the military. Given that it takes many, many years for a case to work it's way up the court system, that's why we're hearing so much about it now. The politicians want to beat the courts in overturning it.

Anyway, as far a passion, that's what us liberals do. I do agree with you that it wasn't an issue people voted on during the last election. But to me, it's an injustice being committed by my government and it really ticks me off.
 
@apdst: Yes, some of which are gay and shouldn't have to hide that fact to do so.
 
Conservative said:
I don't get it, 65 pages of "debate" on a topic that affects 4% of the population in a country that has 9.8% reported unemployment, probably more like 17% unemployment, a 14 trillion dollar debt and an administration that has added 4 million to the unemployment roles and 3 trillion to the debt in two years. It was these results that led to the shellacking Democrats took in Nov. and yet 65 pages of debate on DADT. Some people really have their priorities screwed up.
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At least it's a real issue for some people. You have Americans out there shooting their televisions over Dancing with the Stars. I think we should start the questioning of priorities there.
 
Conservative said:
So still I am waiting for exactly what the Republicans obstructed with regards to the Obama Agenda and more to the point, why is this issue(DADT) now? It has been in effect since 1993 so what difference does another few months make? If it doesn't happen, it doesn't happen and I am still waiting for the national implications of this and why we are now into our 64th page on this thread. Sure is a lot of passion for something so irrelevant and something that affects about 4% of the population.
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Senate Republicans: Filibuster everything to win in November? | McClatchy
 
Kelzie said:
I am very disappointed. I've read back through several pages expecting hooplah and found none. Somebody owes me some.
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No?? Well I tried.
 
Kelzie said:
Okay here's my theory for the timing (mind it's just a theory). DADT is about to cost the government/military a lot of money. There are a number of cases working their way through the court system involving homosexuals that were booted out of the military. Given that it takes many, many years for a case to work it's way up the court system, that's why we're hearing so much about it now. The politicians want to beat the courts in overturning it.

Anyway, as far a passion, that's what us liberals do. I do agree with you that it wasn't an issue people voted on during the last election. But to me, it's an injustice being committed by my government and it really ticks me off.
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Just a reminder Bill Clinton signed it and a Democrat Congress passed it. It has been in place for 17 years. When it is repealed my bet is you are going to see a lot of retirements in the military. This is an all volunteer military that if someone doesn't like the rules, then don't enlist. Guess I don't see the injustice in this all volunteer military, but you would have a point if there was a draft.
 
Conservative said:
I don't get it, 65 pages of "debate" on a topic that affects 4% of the population in a country that has 9.8% reported unemployment, probably more like 17% unemployment, a 14 trillion dollar debt and an administration that has added 4 million to the unemployment roles and 3 trillion to the debt in two years. It was these results that led to the shellacking Democrats took in Nov. and yet 65 pages of debate on DADT. Some people really have their priorities screwed up.
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:rofl You have the most posts in this thread. 86 of the 657 posts are yours!
 
Kelzie said:
At least it's a real issue for some people. You have Americans out there shooting their televisions over Dancing with the Stars. I think we should start the questioning of priorities there.
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Just goes to show there are nuts on both sides. Bet there isn't 4% of the Dancing with the Stars fans that did that.
 
Conservative said:
Just a reminder Bill Clinton signed it and a Democrat Congress passed it. It has been in place for 17 years. When it is repealed my bet is you are going to see a lot of retirements in the military. This is an all volunteer military that if someone doesn't like the rules, then don't enlist. Guess I don't see the injustice in this all volunteer military, but you would have a point if there was a draft.
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Well you can't just quit when you want, you do have to serve out your contract.

My prediction, as someone who's more closely tied to the military than I want to be right now, is that there will be a lot of hooplah (found some!) in the military for about 2.5 days. Until they realize that no one's coming out! I mean really, would you? From there, attitudes will slowly (I'm talking decades) change so that a homosexual could come out if they wished too, but that doesn't really seem to be the type that is attracted to military service. You're not going to get a lot of Jacks (a la Will and Grace) signing up for the Marine Corps.

There was much, much worse opinions about integrating blacks and it ended up just fine after an adjustment period.
 
Power said:
@apdst: Yes, some of which are gay and shouldn't have to hide that fact to do so.
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There's no need for them to shove it down peoples's throats, either. No point whatsoever.

But, all them homohpobes have to be made to accept it, whether they like it, or not.

At the end of the day, that's really what it's all about.
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
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Looks like a pretty good list to me and a list that the American people don't support. Notice that some of those are well after the November election and those before are after the damage had been done. What did they filibuster before the election that would have created jobs for the 4 million people who lost their jobs and cut the 3 trillion he added to the debt?
 
Kelzie said:
Well you can't just quit when you want, you do have to serve out your contract.

My prediction, as someone who's more closely tied to the military than I want to be right now, is that there will be a lot of hooplah (found some!) in the military for about 2.5 days. Until they realize that no one's coming out! I mean really, would you? From there, attitudes will slowly (I'm talking decades) change so that a homosexual could come out if they wished too, but that doesn't really seem to be the type that is attracted to military service. You're not going to get a lot of Jacks (a la Will and Grace) signing up for the Marine Corps.

There was much, much worse opinions about integrating blacks and it ended up just fine after an adjustment period.
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LOL, 2.5 days may be stretching it. I've always viewed this issue as a lot of "to do" for naught. Some seem to believe that the repeal would act as some sort of "Recruitment Campaign" to attract more openly gay volunteers for military service. Something tells me, from my own personal experiences in military service, that this will likely not be the outcome. :)
 
Conservative said:
Looks like a pretty good list to me and a list that the American people don't support. Notice that some of those are well after the November election and those before are after the damage had been done. What did they filibuster before the election that would have created jobs for the 4 million people who lost their jobs and cut the 3 trillion he added to the debt?
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This thread is about DADT. Openly gay soldiers who are discharged will be unemployed. ;)
 
filibustering bagged us a bonanza---most house seats since 1938, 6 senators, 10 gubs, 21 state leg's and 695 reps, most in modern history

it's cuz the president's always on the wrong side

of the american people

do you follow what corpulent chris christie is doing in and to the garden state?

even tho both houses in trenton are owned by blues, the beefy boss bullies his way thru

it's cuz he has THE PEOPLE behind him

and THAT's how you lead

even with HUGE MAJORITES in BOTH HOUSES bonehead obama couldn't get his PUBLIC OPTION

nor his GITMO, nor his CAP AND TRADE, nor his DADT, nor his DREAM, nor his START...

as a matter of fact, the longer he's been in the white house the more he's LOST

it's cuz he's on the wrong side---of mom and pop

did you see him CAVE on the bush TAX CUTS FOR THE RICH?

kicking and screaming, smoke spewing from those overlarge lobes?

they're holding me HOSTAGE, he howls

LOL!

BUBBA will tellya

do you remember the time he tried to calm his kvetching caucus by cooing, "the difference between 1994 and now is YOU'VE GOT ME?"

“The Big Difference” Between 2010 and 1994 “Is Me,” President Obama Says, Per Congressman - Political Punch

how 'bout when he gave himself a B+ on oprah, A- when health care passes?

Obama gives himself a B+ | Analysis & Opinion |

how many states would he have to lose to get a C?

what a joke
 
independent_thinker2002 said:
This thread is about DADT. Openly gay soldiers who are discharged will be unemployed. ;)
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Let me know how many that is and when that happens. Until then keep building the strawman. there are approximately 8 million LGTG in the country today and if half of them are in the military which we know isn't true that would equal the amount of jobs Obama has lost since taking office.
 
FluffyNinja said:
LOL, 2.5 days may be stretching it. I've always viewed this issue as a lot of "to do" for naught. Some seem to believe that the repeal would act as some sort of "Recruitment Campaign" to attract more openly gay volunteers for military service. Something tells me, from my own personal experiences in military service, that this will likely not be the outcome. :)
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Okay realistically maybe 45 minutes!

My biggest hope is that the ones that were kicked out that we've already spent money training will reinlist. As I recall there were some very expensive pilots that got the boot.
 
Kelzie said:
My biggest hope is that the ones that were kicked out that we've already spent money training will reinlist. As I recall there were some very expensive pilots that got the boot.
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I agree, it certainly seems a waste of resources - not so much the money - but the loss of knowldege and experience is difficult to account for. :shrug:
 
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